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Who's Afraid of Android Fragmentation?

Nerval's Lobster writes: The dreaded term "fragmentation" has been applied to Android more times than anyone can count over the past half-decade. That's part of the reason why game developers often build for iOS before Android, even though Android offers a bigger potential customer base worldwide, and more types of gaming experiences. Fortunately, new sets of tools allow game developers to build for one platform and port their work (fairly) easily to another. "We've done simultaneously because it is such a simple case of swapping out the textures and also hooking up different APIs for scores and achievements," London-based indie developer Tom Vian told Dice. "I've heard that iOS is a better platform to launch on first, but there's no sense for us in waiting when we can spend half a day and get it up and running." So is fragmentation an overhyped roadblock, or is it a genuine problem for developers who work in mobile?

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  1. Who's Afraid of Android Fragmentation? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Funny

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    1. Re:Who's Afraid of Android Fragmentation? by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Johnny 5 was a sentient robot, not an android (not human-shaped).

      Dammit, now I have to find the HDD with that movie on it. I blame you.

    2. Re:Who's Afraid of Android Fragmentation? by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I meant I blame him that I'm going to spend the evening watching a movie with Steve Guttenberg in it.

    3. Re:Who's Afraid of Android Fragmentation? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd mod you 'funny' if I didn't think you meant it. Android has hundreds of millions of users. Ubuntu probably has a few million (maybe tens of millions). Other distros, even fewer. If numbers mean anything, it should be obvious which of these accounts for "Linux's success"?

      Linux fragmentation is good in the sense that it's openness has allowed it to usher in whole new device categories (TiVo, Chromecast, Raspberry, home NAS boxes, etc). The one thing that Linux fragmentation has not helped is desktop adoption and especially 3rd party application development, which is still practically non-existent. And I use Linux as my primary desktop, so this isn't some uninformed rant.

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  2. Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are confusing market share with profit share.
    It's been shown in many studies that the vast majority of android users do not buy any apps and are mostly on low end devices that wouldn't be able to play the better games anyway.
    That's the real reason why devs have an iOS first approach.

    1. Re:Follow the money by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are confusing market share with profit share.
      It's been shown in many studies that the vast majority of android users do not buy any apps and are mostly on low end devices that wouldn't be able to play the better games anyway.
      That's the real reason why devs have an iOS first approach.

      it's worse than that.

      The business models for developers is different. On iOS, sell your app - everywhere Apple officially sells their products, they have at least an app store and will take money to pay for the app. And Apple's customer base generally pays for stuff, so as an app developer selling apps is potentially viable.

      On Android, most Android users don't pay for apps. Either because they can't (Google Wallet isn't universal), or other reasons. And if Google Wallet doesn't support the country, Google only shows free apps. So selling an app for 99 cents can easily put your visibility down from worldwide to 20% of that.

      So the Android business model is to sell ads and give the app away - because free apps are available everywhere. And you'll get tons of personal data you can use too.

      Of course, most of the time, iOS sells more so you're more likely to recoup the money by iOS sales first...

    2. Re:Follow the money by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On Android, most Android users don't pay for apps. Either because they can't (Google Wallet isn't universal)

      Next time, just write "I know nothing about Android" because it'll waste less of our time.

      You dont need Google Wallet to purchase apps on Google Play. You can do it with a normal credit card or the Google Play preload cards that are sitting next to the Itunes cards.

      Google wallet is a completely different product, whilst it can be used on Google Play, it is not required.

      So the Android business model is to sell ads and give the app away

      And this ends up being more profitable. Especially over the long term.

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  3. There's fragmentation on iOS too... by Sebby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As more and more devices of varying features and sizes have been released by Apple, there's been more and more work developers have had to do to adopt the different sizes/features of those devices (I still see new releases on the app store that state a new feature of "Support for iPhone 5S size" or similar)

    It hasn't been until recently that Apple has given developers the tools to create views that don't need to know the specifics of the device it's running on, thereby avoiding silly checks like
    if(device == IPHONE) {....} else if(device == IPAD) {....}

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    1. Re:There's fragmentation on iOS too... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're also seeing people get annoyed with the latest iOS release and hold off on upgrading or revert back.

      You can't revert back on iOS unless the old version is still being signed, which is generally a very short window. If people are getting annoyed that fast, they're not bothering to actually giving the new version much of a chance.

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    2. Re:There's fragmentation on iOS too... by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Informative

      As more and more devices of varying features and sizes have been released by Apple

      Yea, its totally the same, there are a handful of different iOS device sizes ... compared to well over 100 that I'm aware of for android during the same period of time.

      It hasn't been until recently that Apple has given developers the tools to create views that don't need to know the specifics of the device it's running on, thereby avoiding silly checks like
      if(device == IPHONE) {....} else if(device == IPAD) {....}

      I've been a developer since the day you could sign up ... if you have checks like that for view size, you're doing it wrong. Apple has provided tools since day one to do so when it comes to size, like just using the proper NIB/XIB, hell the project wizard does it on project creation if you tell it your creating a universal app.

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  4. No by spectrum- · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There'll be forks, there'll be distros that die out but ultimately choice is good. Out of all the traditional Linux distributions eventually a status quo develops of some core popular ones. Over time they fall out of favour and the critical mass slowly moves to another. In the medium term maybe some fresh eyes and fresh thinking will solve some of the current issues that plague users now. Will they have vested interests? May they take things down a path that turns out ba? At times, probably but there's a fork for that

  5. It's not just the fragmentation by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the reason people developed for iOS first was the platform had users who on average had higher incomes and spent more money on apps. So if you were trying to develop an application to sell it was more likely to show a return. Also there is more piracy of apps on Android.

    1. Re:It's not just the fragmentation by nwf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. This article seems to be from the Wizard of Oz camp. Pay no attention to the serious problems, look here at this non-problem! The serious problems being rampant piracy and overall lack of software sales.

      I've developed for both and indeed iOS is getting more annoying to develop for. Android, well, it's basically the same as it's been. It looks nicer, but it appears to be designed (overall) by people on the theoretical side and not the practical side (activities and fragments come to mind.) Doing interesting UI stuff is too annoying. On the other hand, I've found that non-game apps work pretty well across devices, but not so much OS versions. Networking is still painfully slow compared to iOS.

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    2. Re:It's not just the fragmentation by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meanwhile, there is this PC platform that wiped out all of it's other bespoke competitors probably before you even touched your first computer. PCs are MUCH more diverse than Android phones. But if you started whining about "fragmentation" to PC developers they would look at you like you grew a second head.

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    3. Re:It's not just the fragmentation by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the reason people developed for iOS first was the platform had users who on average had higher incomes and spent more money on apps. So if you were trying to develop an application to sell it was more likely to show a return. Also there is more piracy of apps on Android.

      It depends how you get your return. This of course does not apply to free applications. And most are free.
      Most non-gamers do not pay for software on their PC either. Except Windows and Office, most used software is free. Web Browser, media player, text editor, file archiver, chat/video client, PDF reader, even most developer tools (IDE, compilers, version control).
      I don't understand why people are expected to buy more software on their phone then on their PC.

  6. Just good ol' fashioned (in)compatibility by allquixotic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Software fragmentation at a high level hasn't been all that scary of a specter for Android yet. Hook into a few core APIs that pretty much work everywhere, and off you go. There haven't been any successful whole-system Android forks that have been able to challenge mainline Android with any semblance of significance in market share.

    The problem is in the details of the hardware, and to a lesser degree, software implementations. Screen resolutions; GPU capabilities; the difference in performance between the slowest and fastest (non-obsolete) device on the market; highly variable amounts of storage, VRAM, network bandwidth; limited vs unlimited data plans; the amount of other crap (that may interference) that the user or manufacturer has already installed on their phone; etc. etc.

    A lot of devs are starting to whitelist their apps for specific phones, or at least for specific SoC make/model/generations. Your OpenGL fragment shader may run fine on a Qualcomm Snapdragon platform with an Adreno GPU, but crash the app or the whole system on ARM Mali. Your game may get 30-60 FPS reliably on a modern Tegra GPU, but deliver a slideshow on a Droid Mini from late 2013.

    And that brings me to my second point: the hardware advances too quickly. A lot of people expect their smartphone to last them 4 years, maybe longer. But if you look at how far phone specs have come since 2010, it's pretty ridiculous. Most 2014 Android games and even non-trivial business apps won't even *launch* on a phone with specs 1/10th as capable as the state of the art.

    These problems are hard enough to solve on their own. Most devs don't even have time to think about supporting other core systems with forks or replacements of the core Android APIs.

  7. There's two kinds of fragmentation... by iampiti · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Variety of devices, Running different versions of the OS.
    The first one IMHO is a strong point for Android since there's so many different devices you're likely to find what you want (cheap, expensive, large, small, metal build, removable battery...). In this respect Windows Phone also has an interesting number of devices (although infenitely less than Android) and iOS is horrible in this respect: You basically have this year's or last year's model, neither of which is exactly cheap.
    The second one is definitely bad: Several versions of the OS having significant marketshare means extra work for developers, and fewer apps for users (since some require a version newer than you have). Windows Phone and iOS are much better than Android in this.