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Mysterious Siberian Crater Is Just One of Many
New submitter Sardaukar86 sends this excerpt from a Washington Post report:
In the middle of last summer came news of a bizarre occurrence no one could explain. Seemingly out of nowhere, a massive crater appeared in one of the planet's most inhospitable lands. Early estimates said the crater, nestled in a land called "the ends of the Earth" where temperatures can sink far below zero, yawned nearly 100 feet in diameter. The saga deepened. The Siberian crater wasn't alone. There were two more, ratcheting up the tension in a drama that hit its climax as a probable explanation surfaced. Global warming had thawed the permafrost, which had caused methane trapped inside the icy ground to explode.
Now, however, researchers fear there are more craters than anyone knew — and the repercussions could be huge. Russian scientists have now spotted a total of seven craters, five of which are in the Yamal Peninsula. Two of those holes have since turned into lakes. And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters, the Siberian Times reported.
Now, however, researchers fear there are more craters than anyone knew — and the repercussions could be huge. Russian scientists have now spotted a total of seven craters, five of which are in the Yamal Peninsula. Two of those holes have since turned into lakes. And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters, the Siberian Times reported.
Black Rock City Subway categorically denies that these craters are a result of our sandworm breeding program. Scurrilous reports in The Daily Mail fail to take into account that sandworms react poorly to moist environments. Sometimes they even explode when exposed to water. Oh, wait...
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1. This land is geologically YOUNG, it is less than ten thousand years old
2. The earth itself is warming the underside of the permafrost, even if there is contribution from global warming https://cage.uit.no/news/metha...
Thus there is no reason to wail about some imagined harbinger of doom because of these sinkholes.
The scientific explanation would be that God is angry at the Russian heathens.
New methane based life form found on Titan now seen on Earth... News at eleven.
Temperatures sink far below zero celsius in a lot of places on the planet.
If you don't use the metric system... Fuck you! /Idiocracy
It's much more likely that Russia is testing weapons there, rather than methane suddenly becoming spontaneously combustible.
So what ignited it at that depth?
Nothing ignited it.
From TFA:
Gas pressure increased until it was high enough to push away the overlaying layers in a powerful injection, forming the crater
Gazprom is aggressively and heroically working to remove the methane from the ground in that region. With any luck, they'll be able to remove it all so we can burn it before anything goes wrong.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
There are a series of "craters" in the U.S. as well, though much older. The Carolina bays are elliptical depressions located along the Atlantic seaboard of unknown origin. Theories of the origins being geologic or extraterrestrial impacts have come in and out of favor. Nobody really knows. (And before you say that impact craters are round regardless of the angle of impact, that's true until you get to very shallow impact angles. Then the craters end up being oval.)
It never combusted. The permafrost melted and it all just went in the atmosphere and the loss of mass caused a sinkhole. The summary is bad. There was never a explosion besides the dust settling. Think ice sheet breaking. Once it pasts melting point, it accelerates fast enough to watch it with your eyes. If this keep happening most of the timescale modals of global warming are off and we will have reached a weird point-of-no-return due to the major mass of methane added to the atmosphere all at once.
If these are truly explosions ejecting many tons of earth out of these holes, wouldn't they be detected by seismographs around the world, or at least in Russia? I think they should plant seismic detectors in the area so they can immediately detect the next explosion and quickly send a research team to site.
You need to find out about methane clathrates. They are very roughly a chemical compound of methane and water which is solid and stable at low temperatures and moderately high pressures (as found under a few hundred meters of water or ice, for instance. When they get a bit too warm, or the pressure drops a bit they turn back into methane gas and water. One cubic meter of clathrate released almost 200 cubic meters of methane gas, which then has to go somewhere producing something like an explosion. At no point did the methane burn (it was nowhere near any free oxygen until it got to the surface, it was just a gas pressure explosion.
Just before the craters were formed, locals heard, "Kamaya-Maya"
This is old news - the craters have a known, definitive explanation and it's not anything mysterious.
Also known as methane hydrates, there is no use of the word "explosive" on the mh page. It has a density lower than water, so tends to bubble up (and then evaporate). Being denser than air, it could accumulate at times and potentially explode in that scenario. But not underground, creating giant holes.
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"And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters..."
Oh my God, they're reproducing. We're doomed.
I think the idea is this:
You have a large volume of clathrates underneath ice or frozen soil.
As things warm, they start to break down and a reservoir of methane gas builds up
at high pressure.
Eventually the pressure reaches the point where it can push aside or lift up or whatever the ice at its weakest point
and it finds a route to the surface.
Now you have a LOT of gas rushing through some kind of hole, a little bit like an oil well blowout and the gas flow erodes the sides of the hole and throws soil or ice into the air and generally starts to make a crater.
Furthermore the escape of all this gas lowers the pressure down where the clathrates are quite suddenly, so the breakdown accelerated greatly, providing still more gas to ruch up through the hole.
So not really an explosion, perhaps more like a blowout, but still fairly violent simply because of the amount of gas and the pressure.
At no point does it combust.
It seems Siberia is trying to go frack itself.
Look like diamond mines to me. Diamonds are found in Kimberlite tubes, prob they are test mines
Any coordinates? Just looking at the Yamal Peninsula using Google Earth there are hundreds apon hundreds of what i would call very round lakes. I would say they could be old meteor hits but im no scientist.
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Global warming will melt Siberia, and turn it into SlushyBera, a new rasberry flavor health drink for Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It would only take a little spark to set it off.
If ignition actually happened, my bet is on a triboelectric spark. All that soil and ice getting tossed up will generate a charge, just like you see in thunderstorms and volcanic eruptions.
The holes are not mysterious at all. There is even a name for them.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/201...
With the claims going around, I'd like to see the BEFORE images, not just the AFTER images + lots of claims. Otherwise, how do I know these are new, and not dozens, hundreds, or thousands of years old?
These look like sink-holes in Florida.
Quite bit like how a geyser works.
In the late 1970s and into the Gorbachov administration of the Soviet fielded and tested a direct energy orbital system, orbital laser weapon, i.e. battle laser.
Points on the Yamal and Taymr Penisula's were used for testing the strength and effectiveness .
Ultimately the orbital battle laser, and its nuclear reactor for power, was too expensive to operate and the Soviet abandoned it.
It still orbits Earth.
"Studying the satellite images we found out that initially there were no craters nor a lake. Some craters appeared, then more." - TFA
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Your inability to use parenthesis hurts my brain. With a UID like that, you should know better.
i don't think a "firey" exlosion is necessary.
in the siberiantimes pictures you can see how water has washed sediment back into the crater, even to the layer much darker/greyer than the topsoil. the rim may have been a lot steeper initially. similar to the crater wall below.
remember those "liquid sand" picture frames?
when you had a bubble of air pushing through a sand barrier on top the sand directly above it could not fall down, but the sand on the sides of the bubble slowly trickled down, allowing the bubble to move up while building up a vertical column of newly formed "reordered" sediment below.
occasionally sand would stick above and move the bubble left or right. i imagine this worked similarly (the last pictures show a side pocket in the crater). a bubble pushing up and wet mud flowing down on the edges allowing it to go up. occasionally the groud would freeze, stopping the whole process and during thawing it might change direction of the bubble.
when the bubble reached the surface, air would escape very quickly (i imagine pressure under ground is much higher than atmosphere) and push the topsoil/mud on top of the bubble aside, which would cause this final "explosion" forming the "thrown earth rim" the pictures show.
following this hypothesis the volume of the crater we see, minus the volume of dirt thrown up at the rim is the volume of the gas bubble, but we don't know the pressure. we also probably cannot say from how deep it came, since the floor of the crater was newly formed by mud, that slowly trickled down at the edges.
A republican managed to throw a snowball during his speech, so obviously global warming can be ruled out!
We should all know these are left over from the attack by the Silver Surfer. The Fantastic Four, like all superhero groups, never cleans up after saving mankind.
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In other words, mother nature broke wind.
Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat.
This explains so much about the fireswamp
This is a goddamn fucking disgrace! These craters are caused by expanding liquid beneath the permafrost they have been documented for 100 years. this has nothing to do with the real and catastrophic irreversible effects of global climate change.