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Oracle Sues 5 Oregon Officials For 'Improper Influence'

Posted by Soulskill on from the software-versus-politics dept.

SpzToid writes: Following up on an earlier Slashdot story, the Oracle Corporation has filed a rather timely suit against five of former governor John Kitzhaber's staff for their "improper influence" in the decision to shutter the Cover Oregon healthcare website, while blaming Oracle to defuse the political consequences. Oracle argues the website was ready to go before the state decided to switch to the federal exchange in April.

"The work on the exchange was complete by February 2014, but going live with the website and providing a means for all Oregonians to sign up for health insurance coverage didn't match the former-Governor's re-election strategy to 'go after' Oracle," Oracle spokeswoman Deborah Hellinger said in a statement.

Kitzhaber resigned last week amid criminal probes into an influence-peddling scandal involving allegations that his fiancée used her position in his office for personal gain.

83 comments

  1. Inproper influence by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can we now sue corporations for influencing the political process with lobbying.

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    1. Re:Inproper influence by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There should be an investigation into why Oracle was ever tendered the contract in the first place. It couldn't have been on merit. I have never met, or heard of, anyone who outsourced to Oracle and was pleased with the result. They have the worst reputation in the business. I trust Microsoft more than I trust Oracle.

    2. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now that they're people, I don't see why not.

    3. Re: Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our DINO had to resign. He controlled every step of the creation of this site and his hand-selected group signed off on it. That proved the Republicans hate us and want us to die. He is the very model of a model Republican.

    4. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Exactly. Kitzhaber was a Democrat on paper, but he is a Republican. That party rules this state with an iron fist. They control nearly every aspect of our day to day lives. They decided that only the rich are entitled to healthcare so they kept it from us. Oracle was ordered to make a site that didn't work. Kitzhaber recently had to resign in disgrace after getting caught being involved with tax fraud. The IRS is investigating him. That obviously makes him a Republican. He might not be on paper, but he is one of their kind. They hate us.

    5. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Kitzhaber was a Democrat on paper, but he is a Republican.

      No true Scottsman, eh?

    6. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whatever Oracle is accused of, if the accusations are related to incompetence, they are probably true. However states and businesses keep keep handing over billions in dollars in contracts to these large IT organizations because those organizations can check all the boxes on the paperwork. The core competency of Oracle, is winning bids which has nothing to do with delivering the end product. Winning the bid and building the system/service are 2 completely different and unrelated enterprises. 2 entirely different parts of both the customer and vendor organizations are involved in these 2 unrelated efforts. Oracle is a sales organization. For Oracle, the project is over when the contract is signed and the sales team has already moved onto the next meal. Everything is then shipped off to low cost armies of credentialed people who are experts in process and ass-covering 6 timezones away....The funny thing is that the customer is then "shocked" when the project blows up.

    7. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks exactly that.

      My biggest frustration is that I'm excellent at planning and execution but don't have that sales edge, resulting in no work.

    8. Re:Inproper influence by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      The core competency of Oracle is winning bids

      Daaaaaaaaamn, mod parent up.

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    9. Re:Inproper influence by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      He did say he got caught being involved with tax fraud. The IRS is investigating him. We know that doesn't happen to democrats. Well, we know nobody pays attention and little is ever done about it because excuses like the tax software was confusing works good enough for them to keep their offices. It's just the republicans who seem to implode and lose their seats when caught despite studies say the democrat tax cheats outweigh the republicans 72% to 28%.

    10. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, every top company in the world is using Oracle except IBM and maybe Microsoft. Even SAP sells 75% of its software on Oracle and Saleforce uses too, so does Boeing and Visa and Google and Amazon and Cisco and Intel and Apple. Unfortunately, you are acting like a cat with eyes closed and then crying it is all dark.

    11. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The legal system has been completely co-opted by corporations,

      Your only rational response is to just simply kill as many C-level corporate assholes and their lawyers as you possibly can.

      The oligarchy is almost complete, and thanks to American assholes who act as puppets for corporations, the notion that corporations can sue governments when governments interfere with profits is almost complete.

      Wake up, America, you are serfs, and the playthings of corporations.

      Your once great nation is full of simpering cowards.

      America is now the enemy of liberty and freedom. You deserve neither.

    12. Re:Inproper influence by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's not nearly as true as you'd think. Besides which, there's a difference between Oracle's database (which is widely used), and Oracle's consultancy arm which while used has never put out a decent project in their history.

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    13. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      studies say the democrat tax cheats outweigh the republicans 72% to 28%.

      So for every 150 lb Republican tax cheat, there's a 385 lb Democrat tax cheat?

      That sounds about right.

    14. Re:Inproper influence by sjames · · Score: 1

      The sad part is that the huge corporate screw-ups keep winning the contracts because small but capable shops can't afford the costs of the paperwork designed to keep screw-ups out of the process and they can't afford the lawyers needed to actually get paid when the customer changes directions 5 times and makes the project late.

      If they would allow pay as you go contracts with small shops they would get a lot more successful projects (or at worst, fail cheaply enough to try again) but again they're so paranoid that the project will fail that they set conditions that assure it will fail big and expensive.

    15. Re:Inproper influence by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The statistic is hardly representative of anything because the bulk of Republican are just poor gullible minimum wage idiots sucked in by 1% rich Republicans, those poor Republicans don't earn enough to pay tax worth cheating on, now that is known the world over.

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    16. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oracle is a criminal organization.

      Who would know criminal conduct better than Oracle Corporation's management, and legal department?

      https://web.archive.org/web/20040609092145/http://www.orafraud.org/Oracle/terminator.html

    17. Re:Inproper influence by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Yes, when people vote on principle instead of self interest they are just "poor gullible minimum wage idiots"

      Gotcha... greedy Democrats don't understand principles.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    18. Re:Inproper influence by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      They win bids because that's what the system requires in order to get the business. Not sure why Oracle or anyone else would do things differently.

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    19. Re:Inproper influence by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      There is a word for persons who place their idealism above what is good for the country, and that word is "Republican".

      There is a word for those persons who fight so strongly for their ideals that they are willing to destroy democracy, and that word is "Tea Party".

      Discuss. Do try to keep it civil.

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    20. Re:Inproper influence by Cammi · · Score: 0

      I know for fact that some arms in IBM and Microsoft uses the Oracle database. We work with the big three (Microsoft, IBM, Oracle) on a daily basis. You'd be surprised how much is shared between them. Outside of databases .... is a different story.

    21. Re:Inproper influence by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      There is a word for persons who place their idealism above what is good for the country

      ..and what is good for the country is serial tax cheats, known as "Democrats", that amazingly want to raise taxes on other people.....

      Gotcha... discuss. Do try to keep it intellectually honest.

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    22. Re:Inproper influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who the Frick modded this "insightful"?

    23. Re:Inproper influence by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that he declares something is good for a country without qualifying it. What he means is it is good for the idealized country he wants which is the same as putting your idealism above what is good for the country.

    24. Re:Inproper influence by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Makes sense, considering their CEO does not have an ethical bone in his body.

    25. Re:Inproper influence by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      That's not just Oracle. That's every IT consultancy. I've never heard of a large outsourced IT project that wasn't overbudget, behind schedule, and ultimately did not do what it was supposed to do. Of course most in-house projects suffer the same fate. And there's positively zero correlation between certificationed personnel and project success.

    26. Re:Inproper influence by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Some say that if time travelers and extra terrestrials existed we'd have men them by now, and we haven't so therefore they don't.

      Perhaps they're just keeping away in case Oracle try to sell them something.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    27. Re:Inproper influence by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Seems like a pretty easy case to make.

      1) Oracle is one of the largest, most effective, powerful, and most used database systems on the planet.

      The decision process went probably something like this: "We're trying to build the largest health care database system on the planet, and we're using Oracle database technology, seems it might be a good idea to have them actually build then thing rather than some random contractors". Which was probably just lazy on the part of management, or an ass saving move, as the intention was always to throw Oracle under the bus should things go sideways. Also lets be clear, with these uber larger projects, success rate is not so great, just ask how that all worked out for the UK and their NHS health care database... or NY and their payment system, or Ontario and their Healthcare system, or.... (all of which were done using private contractors).

      Anyway as someone who has sat in on design meetings for proposed systems by the Oracle development arm, I can tell you that it would be an expensive and bad idea. They are a software company. They sell software. They want to sell you as much software as they can. They have bought a number of other companies technology, and "integrated" them (shoehorned), and would like to use everything they have to solve problems you don't know you have.

      Anyway I doubt either side is blameless really.

  2. I'd consider North Korea over Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At least there's a chance North Korea's position would have a shred of truth to it.

  3. lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oracle was getting sued for taking Oregon's money, and not having the exchange be fully functional when it was required in 2013. Oregon had to process all apps by hand or over the phone, because the website wasn't functional.

    That sounds like a reason to can Oracle in favor of another option. Oracle defrauded and scammed Oregon, selling us a faulty product.

    obamasweapon.com

    1. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here was the reason for needing the exchange. As ObamaCare was brand new, there was an anticipation of a huge wave of sign ups. And needing a way to process those requests. Oregon did its usual bidding thing, Oracle was the bidder selected for the project saying they would provide a working exchange by the 2013 sign ups. The site was incomplete and didn't work. Oregon scrambled, ended up doing all the work by hand/phone. Oracle's promises never came true and they delayed and delayed, by Feb 2014 sign ups were practically done and over. The need for the site was done, and they set up the alternative ways of doing sign ups in order to meet the deadlines.

      There oracle is with its project no one wanted anymore, and it had less value because Oregon already got through its first wave of health care sign ups. Subsequently there was less need for a health care exchange going forward, Oracle bombed. Oregon decided to sue oracle to recooperate the money paid to Oracle for the failed project, which amounted to Oracle being paid for nothing. Oregonian's felt their tax money had been squandered by Oracle, I don't know of anyone who doesn't feel that way.

      obamasweapon.com

    2. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oregon had to process all apps

      Which was Oregon's fault because they approved the site after user acceptance testing. 42.15% of that state voted for Rmoney in the 2012 election, so they deserve what they got. They are asshole Republicans so they don't deserve health insurance. As many Americans were, I was happy to see them shoot themselves in the foot with this disaster. Also, their governor at the time was a DINO. He was certainly acting like a Republican in the latest scandal that resulted in him resigning in disgrace just like Nixon did. Nixon was the prototype Republican, just like the politicians that rule Oregon. They hate us and want us to die. That is the way of their kind.

    3. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know of anyone who doesn't feel that way.

      The Oregon governor Kitzhaber created a panel of subject matter experts that were involved with every step of the process. Also, he created a large group that was involved with user acceptance testing. The state was most certainly involved with every step of the process from writing the requirements to the technical specs that were sent to Oracle to the software testing to the final user acceptance. They signed off on it. The site was what they asked for, and they approved it. The people of Oregon should be mad at Kitzhaber. He was the one that abandoned his party's ideas and decided to go full-on Republican to prevent the average Oregon resident from having health care. He didn't want you to have health care. You should be mad at him and his Republican kind for denying you health care.

    4. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > selling us a faulty product.

      No. The site passed UAT. That means this is the fault of the Democrats that ruled Oregon and were appointed to the panel. They approved the site. That fact proves that this fiasco was the fault of Republicans since all sixteen of them were DINOs. The Republicans screwed us again.

    5. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, they didn't approve the site at all. the site was not live when it should have been. they couldn't get it running at all. how was that approving the site if it didn't even work?

      this news that Oracle had it ready to go much later down the road in February 2014 is news to me and doesn't really matter. I think they had already made their decisions about it when it wasn't ready to go day one, forcing the state to scramble.

      been following it in the news the entire time. and at no time was anyone happy with Oracle's service.

    6. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The site was not what they asked for, because it wasn't working and required more and more money to be invested. They failed on the contract.

      You are a nut fuck because Oregon is more liberal than other states. Yes it's shit still, poor as it is, but we weren't one of the states that tried to bail out on Medicaid expansion or challenged the law in court. We embraced and fully implemented it.

      During 2013 I observed that, everyone was given the heads up to get on Medicaid, and the state did aggressive enrollment, sometimes in automated fashions to get it deployed. They went town to town, they had the hospitals signing people up, they had homeless shelters and schools signing people up.

      The ones who needed to pay for ACA got their plans picked out, mailed in their forms or did it by phone/fax.

      They did the processing by hand because Oracle fucked up and didn't have the site ready.

      I know, I was there, and I've read the media coverage since day one.. and I saw people getting signed up and processed.

    7. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only didn't you read the fucking article, you didn't even read the fucking submission.

    8. Re:lmfao by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're funny.

      Here's a hint: When the Democrats win an election, and control the Governorship, the House, and the State Senate - as was the case here - they are responsible for what happens. The Democrats were in office, the Democrats planned the exchange, the Democrats appointed the boards of experts that worked with Oracle, the Democrats handled acceptance testing, and the Democrats were the only ones surprised when everything failed.

  4. Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read TFA and I still am confused about what Oracle is alleging, exactly. Can a lawyer or someone who understands it better explain it? Is Oracle claiming libel or something? I'm honestly sympathetic to the nature of complaint, but don't understand what leverage they have legally--what is their legal argument?

    1. Re:Can someone explain this? by greenwow · · Score: 0, Interesting

      They had a working web site that Oregon had signed off on. Anything that didn't work wasn't Oracle's fault at that point. Because Oregon was ruled by a DINO at the time, every problem is the fault of the Republicans. The Republicans that rule that shithole of a state are responsible.

    2. Re: Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      The IRS is now investigating the former ruler of Oregon. He is a Dino so this is the fault of Republicans. They hate us and want to deny us healthcare which is why the site passed UAT. The Republicans screwed us.

    3. Re:Can someone explain this? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      What they're alleging is that political staffers interfered with the project to help the governor's election chances.

      As much as I believe Oracle is the spawn of Satan, if the governor's aides and staffers did that Oracle would have a reasonable complaint. When you sign a system development contract you agree to deliver a system and the client agrees to pay you. If you someone induces your client not to accept a system that meets the criteria, that's what lawyers call a "tort". It's something you can justifiably sue over.

      Likewise there are many ways political operatives could potentially sabotage a project, and that'd be actionable too. Any non-trivial development project is dependent upon the client acting in good faith. They have to act as if they want the system. It's extremely easy for a client to cause a project to fail, by raising an endless stream of trivial complaints or by dragging its feet in its responsibilities like acceptance testing or giving feedback. It'd be all to easy for well-placed political operatives to undermine the bureaucracy's willingness to cooperate.

      That said, in *this* particular instance the suit sounds like business as usual for Oracle, in other words acting like bastards.

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    4. Re:Can someone explain this? by TheReaperD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must admit that I'm torn on this one. Who to cheer for? A corrupt politician or Oracle? Can we have a no-holds-barred cage match and shoot the winner in the head?

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    5. Re: Can someone explain this? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      nice to see someone with this crappy copy and paste republican bashing finally use their real name instead of hiding behind AC. looking at your posting history. congrats. you are such a good little troll

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    6. Re: Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's it like to be in a conversation with yourself, greenwow/AC? In your haste to make your argument about how this guy is a DINO, try and paint this as a Republican problem, and make claims like they did this to keep Oregonians from getting healthcare, you managed to skip this fact:

      the state decided to switch to the federal exchange in April.

      If the state were trying to keep down the uninsured Oregonian, why did they switch over to the federal exchange? You're delusional.

    7. Re:Can someone explain this? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Can't we just hang everyone and their families, raze their homes, and salt the earth?

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    8. Re:Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Oracle is trying to play off the new scandal now that Kitzhaber is dealing with issues related to his wife (and note: most of the scandal seems overblown, and I don't personally think it's criminal, anymore than insider trading in Congress is.. and I think the Oregonian blew it out of proportion, ultimately, Kitzhaber resigned just to please people but in no way did he have to. He hadn't been charged with anything, and they didn't have any official misconduct investigation done, furthermore no one had recalled him. It was all media hype that got this going.). They're riding the wave, thinking that now that the team trying to sue them for the failure has been 'hurt' in the media that they have a case along the same lines.

      It's about 'kicking people' when they're 'down'.

      I don't personally think the two situations are linked together at all. There were no signs that Oregon backed out of the deal improperly before this crazy ass lawsuit. There weren't any sort of signs of fowl play on Oregon's part, being that it was Oracle's job to get the product online and running properly on time when it was needed.

      This idea that Kitzhaber had improperly influenced the process, see, that's Oracle trying to ride the wave, since allegations have now been made against his wife for doing so in other venues.

      I found it all be media hype and I said. It's not unlike what the first lady as President does .. or a wife of a congressman or senator might do.

      obamasweapon.com

    9. Re:Can someone explain this? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      This is so funny. You are so invested in your worldview that you must create a fiction in order to blame the failings on your enemy. Of course the no true scottsman is a valid fallacy even being a fallacy, but you take it to the point of absurdity making you the king of la la land.

    10. Re: Can someone explain this? by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      You didn't know it was greenwow the whole time? Goodness.

    11. Re: Can someone explain this? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      i honestly dont pay much attention to user names 99% of the time. Makes it easier to be objective when i ignore the posters name until i go back to check on my posts later on. by then i usually forget about the trolls.

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    12. Re:Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The governor and his sixteen employees that are being investigated by the IRS were acting like Republicans. That makes this the fault of the Republicans. You are dishonest for arguing that anyone besides the Republicans are responsible for this.

    13. Re:Can someone explain this? by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You do understand that cheating at taxes is more of a democrat thing than a republican thing right?

      http://taxprof.typepad.com/tax...

      I know it's hard for the delusional to find their world isn't as they thought, but the fact of the matter is that it would seem that either someone is lieing to you or you are ignoring reality all together. So please, look up the suicide prevention number in your area, make sure you are near a phone, then read that link. You can also do searches for words groups together like "democrat tax cheats" and see lists of people that are near the top of the party.

      But hey, stay hydrated and avoid cool aid if everyone is wearing Nike sneakers if at all possible.

    14. Re:Can someone explain this? by swb · · Score: 1

      I think the only thing that matters here is the timing of the suit after the governor's resignation. Once the governor resigns, even if the allegations surrounding the resignation turn out to be true, the governor has a cloud over his head making it trivial to tie anything and everything to his "corruption" even if the actual allegations have nothing to do with ancillary claims made against him, such as Oracle's suit.

      "Let's blame Oracle" also sounds like a lousy political strategy that would motivate few voters as well as leave the door open to questions about selection of Oracle as a vendor to begin with and quesitons about the competency of the vendor oversight. I doubt any politician would base much of their voter appeal on something like that lest it turn around and bite them.

    15. Re:Can someone explain this? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      What did the Earth ever do to you?

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    16. Re: Can someone explain this? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      good for you!

      hipster??? probably the first time ive ever been called that... thanks?

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    17. Re:Can someone explain this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It spawned Oracle.

  5. Re:On our way home even the mosquito bites... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good story, brah

  6. Moderators on drugs again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Democratic governor appointed a group to manage the user acceptance testing

    The state approved the site. I've been involved with nearly fifty software projects for local or state governments, and UAT (user acceptance testing) is what makes the process work. You build the software to their specs, and they sign-off on it. Without that process, you simply can't make software for a government entity, or nearly any customer for that matter. The Democrats in Oregon signed off on the software that they wrote the requirements and specifications and tests for. If the software was defective, then they are responsible. That is why this well established system was established. From my last contract with the state of CA:

    "User acceptance testing is a process that obtains confirmation that a system meets mutually agreed-upon requirements."

    Anyone involved with software for hire should be able to understand his.

  7. As someone who recently filed MD Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (I am a software developer)
    I recently helped my parents to file for Health insurance using Maryland Health Exchange website. What a clusterfuck !!!!!!!! Website used Oracle + Java.
    1. Non-intuitive website, cryptic. Looked as it time traveled from 90s.
    2. Gave parsing error (page filled with Java Exceptions with line numbers !!!!!!, in other words, site was compiled in debug mode !!!!!!!) when entered information which had spaces at the end, like social security with space at the end.
    3. Made a typo in SSN or any other personal info ? Shit, touch luck ! There is no way to go back and edit personal info after you have filled information about household members. You need to call support line.
    4. My brother and father share same first name. So, system added my brother as son, and head of household, making household of 4 people, instead of 3 people. Called support line. I was told that it is alright !!!!! "At the backed, they will fix it"(actual quote). Well, insurance cost was be calculated based on number of household members, making it significantly more expensive.
    5. Forgot password and tried 3 times to log in ? Site locks you out, you call support and they will give you temp password that might not work !!! (this is what I was actually told). Temp password did not work !!!!!! You have to wait 24 hours, call them once again, and they will give you new password that might/might not work !!!

    Recently, someone exceptional shadotter left great comment about US patent office, let me paraphrase it. "If the Oracle worked on this (patent office approves), they should be lit on fire, dipped in shit, shot and then fired."

  8. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Website used Oracle + Java". If the website had used Linux, would you blame Linus. Oracle makes many tools. How you use it, is on you. If you can find a bug in java and oracle that affected the site, it is a different story.

  9. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >3. Made a typo in SSN or any other personal info ? Shit, touch luck !

    Touch luck indeed!

  10. Re:On our way home even the mosquito bites... by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 0

    LETTERS ON AN ELK HUNT
    By a Woman Homesteader
    Copyright, 1915, by Elinore Pruitt Stewart
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files...

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  11. How could the project work? by cowdung · · Score: 2

    According to this talk

    http://blogs.technet.com/b/cdn...

    By Steve McConnell who presumably has no skin in the game, Oregon's website was extremely poorly managed. Including using bad coding practices, staff that didn't have proper training and several other problems. McConnell just wonders how anybody could think that the project could work in the first place.

    (the talk is very interesting by the way)

    So if McConnell is correct in his appraisal of the situation, Oracle is just trying to get itself out of a lawsuit for a grand screw up caused by their own poor judgement.

    1. Re:How could the project work? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Oracle is just trying to get itself out of a lawsuit for a grand screw up caused by their own poor judgement.

      Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

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  12. The moderators are racits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  13. Re:On our way home even the mosquito bites... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks interesting actually

  14. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That argument works right up until the point you find Oracle was involved in the sites creation.

  15. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by pijokela · · Score: 1

    All production Java applications are compiled in debug mode. This way the problems can be properly debugged. Some application frameworks even require debug compilation to be able to do their runtime AOP.

    That said: it is incompetence to show stack traces or other confusing errors to users. They are supposed to go to a log file.

    That said: Some people are always incompetent, but after weeks of overtime, everyone will be incompetent.

  16. Talking to yourself again greenwow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know that's a sign of insanity, right? Because everyone on /. knows you're a nutcase.

  17. My condolences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If any Oregon state gov IT people read this, I offer my sincere condolences to you for having Alex Pettit as your "Chief Information Officer".
    He spent a few years where I work in Oklahoma and completely and totally ruined what was once a great productive IT organization.
    I predict he will do that same to you, he will propose a new organizational "consolidation' plan that on paper appears to save the state millions, it will pass and once passed Pettit will leave before it's actually implemented. He will be happy with another good looking 'resume stuffer" on his resume but leaving behind a complete mess. He doesn't care, he will be gone. Here in Oklahoma he has been gone about two years or so and the administration is just now realizing the unworkable mess he created.

  18. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretty sure your post was compiled in !-o-matic mode.

  19. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is talking about Maryland Health Exchange, where does it say Oracle was involved?

  20. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really. Many production java apps are not debug compiled. I have worked on many of them. It is possible to use non-debug stacktrace to match the lines in the code.

  21. Re:As someone who recently filed MD Health Insuran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been my experience that idiots who can't remember their password tend to also have a difficult time using and navigating ANY website. Most of the times the system is the problem. In this instance I think it's you.

  22. Think about healthcare benefits first by nastyaheyyo · · Score: 1

    Health industry is always an issue in political games since Obamacare has been launched. To my mind, we need to calm down and stop gallopping around the healthcare "sensations of the day". What ordinary people should remember - what "the nation" should take into account - of all the political issues is the benefit we get. Much easier insurance - yes, more jobs in the medical field - yes, indeed. This is really important, as medical career is a choice for very devoted people, it should provide respectable opportunities, serious ones. Now you can start your career as entry level medician http://entrylevelmedical.com/ with a further growth and improvement. Isn't that good for people? Isn't that good for any of us, not just doctors and poor people? I think, it certainly is. So let's hope for better and get less involved in political issues.