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Technology's Legacy: the 'Loser Edit' Awaits Us All

An anonymous reader writes: The NY Times Magazine has an insightful article putting into words how I've felt about information-age culture for a while now. It's about a phenomenon dubbed the "loser edit." The term itself was born out of reality TV — once an outcome had been decided while the show was still taping, the producers would comb back through the footage and selectively paste together everything that seemed to foreshadow the loser's fall. When the show actually aired, it thus had an easy-to-follow narrative.

But as the information age has overtaken us, the "loser edit" is something that can happen to anyone. Any time a celebrity gets into trouble, we can immediately search through two decades of interviews and offhand comments to see if there were hints of their impending fall. It usually becomes a self-reinforcing chain of evidence. The loser edit happens for non-celebrities too, using their social media posts, public records, leaked private records, and anything else available through search.

The worst part is, there's no focal point for the blame. The news media does it, the entertainment industry does it, and we do it to ourselves. Any time the internet gets outraged about something, there are a few people who happily dig up everything they can about the person they now feel justified in hating — and thus, the loser edit begins.

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  1. Classic Case by Aaron_Pike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a classic case of confirmation bias. The human brain does it all the time; if you don't know what it is or how to avoid it, look it up.

    Yeah, I'm probably preaching to the choir on that last bit. I hope I am, anyway.

    1. Re:Classic Case by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's why the EU right to have old, irrelevant search results is so important. Society has to forgive and forget, otherwise lives are ruined by one or two mistakes. It's great that machines remember everything for us, but also terrible.

      I would say it's the opposite - that if everyone has their mistakes on parade, then it' makes it easier for others can admit that they too aren't perfect. Instead of trying to appear what we're not, we should be more interested in being who we are, warts and all, and encouraging others to do the same.

      It wasn't that long ago that a woman who was raped was considered "ruined for life." By speaking out about it instead of trying to hide it, that is no longer the case. Same with gays and lesbians that used to have to hide in the closet. We can't go on wasting lives with some false idea that if you can get people to forget about it, you don't have to deal with it.

      We simply can't advance, either as individuals or a society, if we actively "forget" anything that society labels a "mistake." Imagine a world where everyone can't throw rocks because everyone else knows the rock-throwers are also not so perfect.

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    2. Re:Classic Case by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would they be doing this if they couldn't remain anonymous? Doubt it very much.

      Exactly what steps did Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, Dean Buntrock, Bernie Ebbers, Dennis Kozlowski, Mark Swartz, Richard Scrushy, David Glenn, Leland Brendsel, Vaughn Clarke, Robert Dean, Nazir Dossani, Hank Greenberg, Bernie Madoff, David Friehling, Frank DePascalli, and Ramalinga Raju take to remain anonymous? They were named officers of corporations that committed financial fraud and cost many people billions of dollars, and there was no way any of them thought they'd have anonymity as a shield.

      It's a shame that most people want the benefits of the fight waged by their predecessors, but are unwilling to pay it forward.

      It's a shame that there are people on this planet who think they know better than the people who have something they want to hide for social reasons.

      Living in fear every day of losing your job because someone outs you is not a life,

      It isn't your responsibility to make that decision for them, nor should you be using this as an excuse to defend those who do "loser edits" of people who want to keep their private lives somewhat private. Your example of people who speak out about their rape experiences living happier lives than those who don't missed one critical factor: they are speaking out VOLUNTARILY, not as the result of some arrogant know-it-all who decided they'd be happier if their lives were made public.

    3. Re:Classic Case by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You missed my point. The fact that rape victims have been speaking out has made it better for everyone, including those who still can't speak out about it.

      And in the current context, we're talking about people who express hatred behind a shield of anonymity. Do you really believe they would do the same if they weren't anonymous? Funny how, once they're exposed, they're not so defiant. Arguing something I never said (wrt banksters) is poor form.

      It's a shame that there are people on this planet who think they know better than the people who have something they want to hide for social reasons.

      Look, I get it. However, I've been there, and ultimately out is better. Every person who is out makes it easier for everyone to be a little less fearful. We've seen this repeatedly with rape victims, with the LGB, and now we're seeing it with the T and the t.

      So let me rephrase what you said, with one change: "It's a shame that there are people on this planet who think they know better than the people who have been there because they want to be seen as politically correct."

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  2. Hindsight or Rewrite? by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think we also do this to our heroes, and to our histories.

    Look, it all makes sense!" is a comfortable place in a chaotic World.

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    1. Re:Hindsight or Rewrite? by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't understand this world then I would posit that that is simply because you do not know enough about it.

      Understanding the World is not the goal for everyone, indeed, perhaps fewer people than one might imagine want it all neatly explained by science and informed study.

      If people have proven nothing else, it seems clear many are much more comfortable in an illogical cocoon of faith and superstition.

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    2. Re:Hindsight or Rewrite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think you understand this world then I would posit that that is also because you do not know enough about it.

      The person who thinks they know it all quite often knows all too little. We are not yet at a point where we (collectively) know it all.

  3. Re:Opposite of loser edit by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's called an autobiography.

  4. Re:So? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

    The entire new testament pretty much selectively foreshadows the ending too.
    Jesus was loser-edited.

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  5. The cops and prosecutors love it by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because they can find a handful of things in a sea of evidence and then construct a narrative of guilt around it.

  6. "Loser edit" is a new name for a very old evil. by johnnys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember Fatty Arbuckle? He was a bigger star than Charlie Chaplin in his day. He mentored Charlie Chaplin and discovered Buster Keaton and Bob Hope.

    Then he threw a party where a hooker got sick and later died. Months later, the jury at his final trial actually gave him a formal written statement of apology from the jury, because of the grief he had gone through for no good reason.

    His films were banned and his career was over: And all the publicity was edited and picked to ensure the narrative justified his destruction.

    It's called "yellow journalism" these days but it's been around since speech was invented.

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    1. Re:"Loser edit" is a new name for a very old evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So a man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man:

      "You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me "McGregor the dock builder"? No!

      And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain, sleet and scoarching weather, but do they call me "McGregor the bridge builder"? No! And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me "McGregor the pier builder"? No!"

      The old guy looks around, and makes sure that nobody is listening, and leans to the man, and he says:
      "but you fuck one sheep..."

  7. You can find proof of anything by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can find "proof" of anything you want to on the internet, whether it be that the Queen of England is really a lizard or that Steven Harper is a bible-thumping arsehole. You can "prove" Obama isn't really an American, that Kanye West is gawd or that Kanye West is the biggest ego to ever hit the planet.

    The internet is just chock full of articles, forums, blogs, and other sources you can cite to support your pre-determined outcome.

    It has always been this way -- there is no "fact checking" required to post something. On the other hand, there is no "editor" on a "mission" to change what you post, either.

    At the core of it, the problem is not the internet nor the history it exposes, but the viciousness and old-fashioned nastiness of people who want to destroy others, often just because they can. Add that in to the human stew that just loves to hear and read nasty gossip about people they're jealous of, and you have a recipe for the "loser edit."

    Where the internet differs from reality TV, though, is that with "reality" TV, all the episodes are subject to "loser edits" because that's what builds "characters" out of hours and hours of otherwise useless footage into something the general public will suck back like sweetened pablum.

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  8. Narrative bias by mean+revision · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This style of story-telling is ubiquitous in how the stock market is reported. Every day there's a ton of news and the market either goes up, goes sideways or goes down. Reporters see what happened then pick a sample of news and say "The market rallied on news X & Y". Barry Ritholtz had a great example of a day when the market opened low and then rallied and a newspaper published a morning edition saying the market was selling off because of A and an afternoon edition where it said the market was rallying on the same piece of news.

    Fact is that we generally don't know why some things happen, real-life doesn't make for simple stories and people that lose or do bad things are also capable of being kind and charming at other times. We're all heroes of our own stories.

  9. Wikipedia? Really? by johnnys · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously, who depends on Wikipedia as a reliable reference? How about something a LITTLE more serious, like the Smithsonian magazine?

    To wit: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/...

    "But Arbuckle's lawyers introduced medical evidence showing that Rappe had had a chronic bladder condition, and her autopsy concluded that there "were no marks of violence on the body, no signs that the girl had been attacked in any way." (The defense also had witnesses with damaging information about Rappe's past, but Arbuckle wouldn't let them testify, he said, out of respect for the dead.) The doctor who treated Rappe at the hotel testified that she had told him Arbuckle did not try to sexually assault her, but the prosecutor got the point dismissed as hearsay."

    And:

    "It wasn't until the third trial, in March of 1922, that Arbuckle allowed his attorneys to call the witnesses who had known Rappe to the stand. ...They testified that Rappe had suffered previous abdominal attacks; drank heavily and often disrobed at parties after doing so; was promiscuous, and had an illegitimate daughter."

    If not a hooker, then perhaps it's too close to call. Fatty deserved better.

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  10. Re:I have a hard time accepting the argument made. by wired_parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're misconstruing the argument in the article. They're not saying that we should try to whitewash people who have done bad things, and a person's bad reputation may often be well deserved. They're warning against falling into the trap of, once someone happens into bad circumstances, of creating a narrative for that person that tries to assign their circumstances as a predestined result of fate. The most insidious example I see of this is when someone contracts a serious disease such as cancer. Often the first questions asked by medical staff are regarding their lifestyle choices, which builds into the narrative that they're sick because of the way they lived.

    During the beginnings of the AIDS epidemic, for example, the first questions asked to those diagnosed were often whether they lived a promiscuous lifestyle, took drugs, or engaged in gay sex. All activities which were frowned upon, and fed into the dominant societal narrative at the time that the people who were contracting AIDS were losers who contracted the disease because of their loser lifestyle. I'd argue in that case the loser edit was applied to a whole category of people, and held back progress in addressing a serious health issue.