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Daylight Saving Time Change On Sunday For N. America

An anonymous reader writes Just a reminder that DST starts this weekend for most of North America. The majority of people feel that DST is a bad idea and want it to stop. If that was done, the main question would then probably be whether to go to Standard time year-round, or "summer" time year-round (more). For the latter, there is some evidence that it helps reduce crime (at least initially); for the former, more northern locations would have sunrise occur 08:30 or later, which would make the morning commute difficult. Some even argue that the U.S. should go to only two timezones. The DST change occurs at the end of March in the EU, so there will be a second round of confusion for trans-Atlantic conference calls then.

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  1. Keep it as is by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DST is not a bad idea. Who the hell is going to wake up at 4:00 a.m. in June? Who is going to do anything enjoyable or productive in the wee hours of the morning when they've still got a looming commute to work?

    Stop all the damned whining and enjoy the sunlight while you're actually awake.

  2. I farking hate the time change by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The older I get the longer it takes me to re-adjust my internal clock. Pick one or the other and stick to it.

  3. Re:The majority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those who dislike it naturally believe that most people agree with them. Those who like it also naturally believe that most people agree with them.

    Either way, we get to have this discussion on slashdot at least twice a year!

  4. Re:I don't generally complain about articles... by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One flick of your mouse scroll-wheel finger. That's what it takes for you to disregard an article that you don't care about. An article which - while having been conducted before - opens discussion of human timekeeping practices, which do impact IT issues.

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  5. Re:No time zones, no DST, centons by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The easiest solution is to have one time worldwide.

    Does that really make it easier? Seems like it just exchanges one problem for another. You might know what "time" it is everywhere, but you don't know when they're working, sleeping, etc.
    "What time is it in China? Oh right, 3pm, same as us. Wait, when do they sleep? Can I call there now?"
    "What, we're having dinner at 2am? And tomorrow we travel to India for an afternoon meeting. When will that be? 9:30? WTF?"

  6. brain-damaged simplicity boners by epine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    an hour earlier

    An hour earlier than what?

    Humans have been phase-locked to the mean solar day for just over 200 out of the last 6 million years.

    1883: Railroads create the first time zones

    Not even the sun is phase-locked to mean solar time. There's this little detail called the Equation of time whose discovery dates back to the Babylonians, which governs annual variation in apparent solar time. Apparent solar time just happens to be the primary zeitgeber on circadian rhythmicity in all mammals (that I've heard of) and a great deal more.

    The majority of people feel that DST is a bad idea and want it to stop.

    Majority of what population? People living north of the 49th? I doubt it.

    Majority of people who wish pi was equal to 3 and that the earth's orbit were circular? Almost certainly, even though I don't think these two simplicity boners are conceptually compatible.

  7. Re:I don't generally complain about articles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering how important time is for a computer and people writing code for them, the hassle of dealing with timezones, daylight savings time, and even the occasional leap second is something that most programmers need to know to varying degrees at some point. If you don't care about hour-scale precision, I suppose it won't matter much, but if you do, it's quite a twisty maze to figure out what the time would have been called locally in a particular year and location. That's why there are whole libraries written to deal with it.

    For example, it was a challenge for programmers when the rules for DST switchover changed a few years ago (2007). Plenty of code was badly written to handle it because the rules were hard-coded. I still have a few old, impossible-to-update machines around that are always off by an hour 4 times a year unless manually set. Those machines don't know about the new DST switchover date, so they ignore it in spring, then they switch on the date of the old DST switchover (manually reset again), and then the whole thing happens again in the fall the other way around.

    It's a lesson in bad coding and how to do it wrong, and every time the rules change it's yet another annoyance, which is why some people are saying "screw the whole thing". Which will be another thing to change in the code :-(

    If we ever do invent time travel, I figure it's going to be routine for people to show up from the future for important historical events and discover they're an hour off.

  8. Re:Exception to the exception to the exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Hopi know that cutting one end off a blanket and sewing it on the other end doesn't create a longer blanket.

  9. Re:No time zones, no DST, centons by Macrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does that really make it easier? Seems like it just exchanges one problem for another. You might know what "time" it is everywhere, but you don't know when they're working, sleeping, etc."

    You don't know that now.

    You just assume that everyone is on your schedule.

  10. Re:No time zones, no DST, centons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It does make sense, if you live at a northern latitude. Without DST where I live, it would get light at like 3:30 or 4 AM. I have no desire to have sunlight streaming into my bedroom at that hour. I'd much rather have it stay light until 9 or 10 at night.

  11. Re:No time zones, no DST, centons by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They deal with crops.

    Right. And crops care what time we call it when the sun comes up, right?

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  12. Re:No time zones, no DST, centons by Hussman32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And I assume you'll redefine the second to be 0.864 seconds, and then redefine every physical constant and measurement that has time, force, or energy in it?

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