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Inside Minerva, a Silicon Valley Bid To Start an Elite College Online

An anonymous reader writes with this article about The Minerva Project, a for-profit company now backed with more than $95 million from Silicon Valley venture-capital firms. Its goal is both audacious and unprecedented in the recent history of higher education: to build a name-brand, elite, liberal-arts-focused university that would cost about half of what Ivy League institutions charge. There's no campus, and all the classes take place online, but the students all live near each other in San Francisco. As small liberal-arts colleges like Sweet Briar shut down, is this campusless college the future?

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  1. Half the cost my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I'm forced to live in San Fran, my room and board is going to cost more than if I had gone to a normal college.

  2. Networking by F34nor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The people you meet in college are similar to goodwill in accounting.

  3. I hate online classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Online classes follow the in person paradigm: lecture and then homework. Paying attention to video lectures on a computer is just impossible for me. There is no interaction - at least in an in-person lecture, the lecturer will ask questions or call on you.

    And then, getting feedback is difficult. My biggest bone to pick with Coursera is that you cannot discuss answers to homework or test questions.

    In one class, I got all the practice problems correct but on the exam, I couldn't get the correct answer - even after my 4 tries allowed. Others had the same problem and others didn't. Where did we go wrong? To this day, I do not know.

    If I couldn't get the exam problem correct, then I don't think I understood the concept.

    And then there are the snarky comments like, "You don't belong here!".

    After reporting it, nothing was done. I assumed that it must have been a TA that posted it. A snarky TA?

    Never happens! /s

    I have taken other online classes and they just don't cut it. Nothing beats having a real live person teach, for me anyway. I need that human contact.

  4. Elite? by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do create an "elite" college from nothing?
    Isn't that officious title something a college has to earn?

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  5. Another diploma mill with a marketing team by guises · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only real difference between an "elite" college and another one is reputation. They have more money and oftentimes more famous faculty and students, but these things just come as a result of the famous name. So how do you get the name? Mostly by being old. Strike against Minerva there... I was going to do this whole contrived "three strikes" metaphor, but this just isn't necessary: Minerva is for-profit, that's really all you need to know to see that this is another diploma mill. You'd have a better chance of your degree meaning something if you got it from Udacity. They don't offer full degrees, of course, but maybe some day?

    1. Re:Another diploma mill with a marketing team by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another major difference between colleges is the interaction with other students. For example at Caltech you are in an environment where it is normal to study for a few hours every night, and where scientific discussions are common, you will get more mental exercise and learn more. An elite liberal arts school will likely provide equivalent benefits.

      Then, while less "pure", the contact you make at an elite school are very valuable in your future career .

  6. Training, not college by RalphSlate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure if the people who try things like this are stupid, or think that everyone else is stupid.

    College is not the equivalent of training. It is an experience that transforms people during a period of time when they are still able to be transformed. Some of that is about learning specific things that you will need later. A lot more is about the ability to train yourself to learn specific things that you may never need later - so the training is the valuable thing, not the knowledge. More is about learning how to take on experiences, but in a sandbox environment, trying things that you could not easily do elsewhere. Getting involved in clubs and activities. Being a DJ on a radio station. Learning how to live with others in close quarters. Learning how to both succeed and to fail.

    Coupled with that is the exposure to people who are not you. Creatively mixing your thoughts with others in a relaxed, informal setting. Broadening your horizons. Still in a sandbox though, because you're going to screw up. You're going to piss people off. You're going to make mistakes.

    I still remember the lesson I learned in my "contract negotiation" class, when my negotiating team was up against a team made up mostly of hockey players. My team, representing "labor", with one older guy on it who probably was in a union, decided that it would be a good strategy to play hardball with the other team ("management") because the older guy surmised that the hockey players could not afford to come to a stalemate because a failing grade would bounce them off the team. The strategy worked, but I was disgusted with the tactic, so I wrote a paper outlining the problems with this negotiating approach.

    That sandbox is the part of college that is the most expensive. I'd guess that it costs more than half of the entire cost of the "education". That means this for-profit company is trying to take advantage of people who naively believe that "college" is just about a credential, a piece of paper that says you met a minimum set of requirements. An online "college" can not offer most of what a campus-based college offers. It can only offer the "training" part, plus maybe a little of the "learning how to learn" part.