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$7.4 Million Blurred Lines Verdict Likely To Alter Music Business

HughPickens.com writes The Washington Post reports that the $7.4 million verdict that Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke copied Marvin Gaye's music to create their hit song "Blurred Lines" could ripple across the music industry, potentially changing how artists work and opening the door to new copyright claims. Howard King, lead attorney for Thicke and Williams, said in closing arguments that a verdict for the Gaye family would have a chilling effect on musicians trying to evoke an era or create an homage to the sound of earlier artists. Williams contended during the trial that he was only trying to mimic the "feel" of Gaye's late 1970s music but insisted he did not use elements of his idol's work. "Today's successful verdict, with the odds more than stacked against the Marvin Gaye estate, could redefine what copyright infringement means for recording artists," says Glen Rothstein, an intellectual property attorney. King says record labels are going to become more reluctant to release music that's similar to other works — an assertion disputed by Richard Busch, the lead attorney for the Gaye family. "While Mr. Williams' lawyer suggested in his closing argument that the world would come to an end, and music would cease to exist if they were found liable, I still see the sun shining," says Busch. "The music industry will go on."

Music copyright trials are rare, but allegations that a song copies another artist's work are common. Singers Sam Smith and Tom Petty recently reached an agreement that conferred songwriting credit to Petty on Smith's song, "Stay With Me," which resembled Petty's hit "I Won't Back Down." Other music copyright cases include Former Beatle George Harrison's 1970 solo song "My Sweet Lord" which had a melody heavy with echoes of "He's So Fine," the 1962 hit from The Chiffons. The copyright owner sued Harrison. A judge said that while the tunes were nearly identical, Harrison was guilty only of "subconscious plagiarism." Harrison would eventually pay out $587,000. Probably the most bizarre case of musical infringement was when John Fogerty was accused of stealing from John Fogerty. The Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman was sued for his 1985 solo song "The Old Man Down the Road" because his former label thought it sounded too much like the 1970 Fogerty-penned "Run Through the Jungle," a song it owned the rights to.

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  1. Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Neither would Blues, or pretty much any major iconic genre. Depending on how this case is construed it's basically going to kill homages and the like. FUN paying tribute to 99 luftballoons with a line in the lyrics? Better get that contractually approved.

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    1. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apply the same logic to writing and 90% of the fantasy fiction genre owes Tolkien's estate some big bucks.

    2. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by Sandman1971 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Heck, 95% of the MMORPG market, a good percentage of fantasy video games.

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    3. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And Tolkien's just the first well-known derivative work of various northern European mythologies and histories. Copyright is for dullards who add a few more man-hours to a few million man-hours of cultural development then mix in an egomaniacal sense of entitlement.

      If you don't want people building on your work, don't work - there are billions of people to take your place. Have a nice day!

    4. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The real thefts are conducted under the venerable eye of a litigious legal system gone mad for undeserved plaintiff judgements and the attorney's 30% cut.

      The right to sue to wrong a grievance or unsafe condition is a foundation of free Western society, often allowing the little guy to challenge a behemoth.

      Unfortunately, not unlike many grand and beneficial social systems, it is ripe for abuse by the unscrupulous.

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    5. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by QuasiSteve · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've noticed a lot of uncreative rap musicians directly copying tunes from music from other countries and just adding boring rap lyrics and bass on top of that. Maybe they should get sued next.

      Good luck with that - those original artists will have to register for copyright in the U.S. first, if they want to have any chance at preventing it:

      On June 7, 2011, the case of Kernel Records Oy v. Mosley ended with the court deciding that Kernel Records had failed to register for copyright in the United States.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

      Of course even if they do:

      In case that the artist decides to pursue the matter further, it's on him to go to America and confront them with the local use of law. It will require a considerable amount of faith and, of course, money

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

      And that's in a case of pretty blatant copying colloquially known as sampling. Never mind if an artist copies 'the feel of' some existing track.

      There's a few reasons why the Marvin Gaye estate won, and one of the main reasons is due to the 'estate' part. Guy himself has been dead for over 30 years.

    6. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. The simple, and correct solution is to put copyright terms back to where they belong and as they originally were (in both the US and Britain under the Statute of Anne). 14 year term, renewable for one additional 14 year term, if the author was alive at the end of the first time.

      That's more than sufficient "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." If the ROI of a work is based on more than 28 years of copyright revenues, it won't be created at all or is being created for reasons independent of what copyright provides.

      Disney, a constant proponent of extended copyrights, built its business by copying the works of others. Where would they be if the Brothers Grimm, Carlo Collodi (Pinocchio), Joel Chandler Harris (Uncle Remus/Song of the South), Robert Louis Stevenson (Treasure Island), etc. were still copyrighted. Extended copyright terms serve no public good, quite the opposite, they cause our culture to be stolen from us.

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    7. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean Wagner. Tolkien ripped off Wagner's opera "The Ring of the Nibelung" which in turn was loosely based on characters from the Norse sagas and the Nibelungenlied.

    8. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've noticed a lot of uncreative rap musicians directly copying tunes from music from other countries and just adding boring rap lyrics and bass on top of that. Maybe they should get sued next.

      Good luck with that - those original artists will have to register for copyright in the U.S. first, if they want to have any chance at preventing it:

      In other words, nothing has changed in the (almost) one and three quarters centuries since Charles Dickens complained that US publishers could (re)publish his works without having to pay him one penny.

    9. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed the point.

      Culture is stolen because of extended terms on original works. Others should be free at this point to make new works featuring Mickey Mouse, which was originally created in the 1920's. Disney made use of original works with expired copyrights, but now wants to protect their own works by extending copyright forever. Relevant to the article, why shouldn't a Marvin Gaye song from 1977 be freely available for use as the basis of a new work?

      I will add that copyright terms should be even shorter for software. Copyright is offered as a trade to encourage the creation of new works. The author gets exclusivity for a limited time, after which the the public is supposed to benefit from the work. But, that doesn't work for software - why is MS-DOS, software which has very limited current value to the public, still under copyright? By the time the copyright expires (if ever), it will be essentially worthless - it almost is now. Even with the original 14/14 year term, how much software from 28 years ago (1987) still has significant value? Lotus 1-2-3? Wordstar? Aldus Pagemaker? What are you even going to run it on? In order for the bargain to be fair, a single 14 year term for software would be more reasonable. And, a requirement that source code be filed and archived before registration was allowed, so the public could actually benefit.

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    10. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by dryeo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Copyright has been extended in such a way as to re-copyright works that had entered the public domain.
      Perhaps we should be lobbying for copyright to be extended further backwards so all those dead people will be more motivated. At least it might show the stupidity of endless copyright if anyone using stories based on Shakespeare had to pay his estate.

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    11. Re:Rock and Roll wouldn't EXIST without "stealing" by msauve · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You apparently think that thoughts and ideas can be owned. I disagree.

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  2. Where to draw the line? by hooiberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is so much music, that it is almost impossible to be truly different than everything else. And should an artist be required/expected to test new work with all other previous music ever made? That would be impossible. And where do you draw the line? Four similar bars? Two similar notes in a sequence? A same text line in a refrain? Having the same theme (as there are millions of songs about love)? Having the same combination of instruments?

    1. Re:Where to draw the line? by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, maybe it means that when a band creates a new sound, they can license it out....

      I threw up a little saying that.

  3. Who's good? by AndyKron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is anybody NOT a fucking asshole anymore?

  4. This is what happens... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...when releasing cheap music. "Blurred lines" was made within a few hours. The collision with an existing older music is likely (a lot of this kind of scores are similar on many aspects - let alone techno, rap, and dance musics). Similar complains and verdicts could happen a lot more. What makes any difference here are two important conditions: 1) Marvin Gaye was a top-star and his rich family keep a close watch [they've got nothing else to do] 2) Williams and Thicke made a ton of bucks with "blurred lines".
    Besides, listened to both musics and the "collision" is much less obvious than many other two-musics I heard in the past ; the older song being probably less watched and a claim less profitable.

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  5. It's all in the cow bell - only the beats are same by Theovon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm no musicalologist, but I just don't see a massive resemblance. I carefully listened to both songs. The beats are substantially similar. For instance, the pattern of the cow bell (if that's the name of the instrument) is basically the same. However, Blurred Lines layers a bass line and melody on top of it that are completely different. There's also some similarity in the high singing voice.

    So, if stealing a percussion pattern is copyright infringement, this is going to cause all sorts of trouble, because artists rip off melodies and guitar riffs all the time.

  6. Spider Robinson warned us 30-odd years ago... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's a story that I wish had served SF's goal "not to predict the future, but to prevent it":

    Melancholy Elephants, by Spider Robinson

    ...but then again, if a significant percentage of politicians read Spider Robinson (or a significant percentage of Robinson fans went into politics), the world would be a very different place.

  7. The day the music died by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the great irony is that, although the whole purpose of IP is to give inventors and artists their due, Marvin Gaye gets no benefit whatever from this decision. Instead of living off the talents of others, his kids need to go out and get jobs.

  8. Everything is derivative. by Simulant · · Score: 5, Informative

    More offensive to me than a jury's decision that Blurred Lines violated copyright law is that Marvin Gaye's children (or anyone, for that matter) feel entitled to income from a dead man's 40+ year old music. To hell with perpetual and transferable intellectual property rights.

  9. Re:Weird Al.... by Comboman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Weird Al is safe for two reasons:

    1) He gets permission from every artist prior to doing a parody, despite the fact that he doesn't really need to because...

    2) US Copyright law makes specific mention of parody as fair use. Some parody is subtle, but Al's is broad and obvious. I would like to see a lawyer try to argue his works are not parody.

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  10. Look and Feel case of the music industry by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blues are especially hosed. The fact that someone can say the phrase "twelve-bar blues" and be immediately understood almost to the note, just demonstrates that this is the musical equivalent of a design pattern.

    Even more hosed is anyone who dares to write a four-chord song. For those not familiar, Canon in D by Johann Pachelbel is the start of one such design pattern. Some songs that use it are: Forever Young by Alphaville, Let It Be by the Beatles, With or Without You by U2, Don't Stop Believin' by Journey, Barbie by Aqua, Down Under by Men At Work . . . the list goes on and on and on. If you want to see a better example than I can cite here in print, google for "Axis of Awesome Four Chord Song" and watch the videos that come back.

    However, in all of those cases, along with the case of Ghostbusters copying I Want A New Drug and of Ice Ice Baby copying Under Pressure etc., there are actual notes copied.

    This, on the other hand, is the "Look and Feel" case of the music industry.

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    1. Re:Look and Feel case of the music industry by onepoint · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Since I don't have Mod points ... I want to confirm you made your point with the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Axis of Awesome Four Chord Song.

      More perfect ( and a good mix of laughter ) presentation of the point could not have been done.
      I did like the lady gaga song, I would have never guessed it was 4-cord

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  11. Re:Nirvana vs. Killing Joke proves copyright is jo by jsepeta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and THIS:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    shows how many fucking songs ripped off Pachabel's Canon in D. I still hear the same opening 4 chords in pop music all the time.

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  12. Re:It's all in the cow bell - only the beats are s by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly this. I have done percussion, and the cowbell (you're right there) is similar but the hi-hat work is not the same at all. So even the percussion line is not even identical.

    When you're learning percussion, you drill books of STANDARD PERCUSSION LINES! The rhythms are *standardized*. This is worse than copyrighting QuickSort!

    Jesus, next time just copyright chord progressions and have a government judge kill off music once and for all! Guess what? All blocks of code flying by on a screen on a movie *look the same* to a non-programmer. But they're clearly not to an expert, which is all that actually matters.

    First they came for the syncopation, but I did not care for I was not a drummer.

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  13. On Owning Ideas by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jefferson on intellectual property:

    It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs. But while it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all, it would be singular to admit a natural and even an hereditary right to inventors. . .If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.

    I highly recommend reading the entire letter; if nothing else Jefferson was an excellent writer. Then if you would oblige us with a counter-argument, I am sure it would be gratifying.

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