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LAPD Police Claim Helicopters Stop Crimes Before They Happen
HughPickens.com writes True Angelenos don't even bother to look up when one of the LAPD's 17 helicopters rattles their windows searching for a car-jacked Camry or an assault suspect hiding under a jacaranda but few doubt that more bad guys would get away without the nation's largest police helicopter fleet to help chase them. Now the LA Times reports that data shows that LA's helicopters are stopping crimes before they happen. Tapping into the data-driven policing trend, the department uses heat maps, technology and years of statistics to identify crime "hot spots." Pilots then use their downtime to fly over them, on the theory that would-be criminals tend to rethink their nefarious plans when there's "ghetto birds," as Ice Cube calls them, hovering overhead [explanatory video with annoying sound]. Months of data show that the number of serious crimes reported in the LAPD's Newton Division in South L.A. fell during weeks when the helicopters conducted more flights. During the week of Sept. 13, when the helicopter unit flew over Newton 65 times, the division recorded 90 crimes. A week later, the number of flights dropped to 40 and the number of reported crimes skyrocketed to 136, with rises seen among almost all types of crime, including burglary, car theft and thefts from vehicles. "It's extremely cutting edge," says Capt. Gary Walters, who heads the LAPD's air support unit. "It's different. It's nothing that we've ever done before with this specificity."
But Professor Geoffrey Alpert. a policing expert who has studied the use of police helicopters in Miami and Baltimore, says the choppers can deter crime in the short-term but criminals will likely return when they're not around (PDF). "You are deterring the criminals but you aren't getting rid of them and their intent. Those criminals could strike in a different time and place," says Alpert. "I mean that's the whole thing about random patrol. You see a police car and it's the same thing. You hide, he goes around the block and you go back to your breaking and entering."
But Professor Geoffrey Alpert. a policing expert who has studied the use of police helicopters in Miami and Baltimore, says the choppers can deter crime in the short-term but criminals will likely return when they're not around (PDF). "You are deterring the criminals but you aren't getting rid of them and their intent. Those criminals could strike in a different time and place," says Alpert. "I mean that's the whole thing about random patrol. You see a police car and it's the same thing. You hide, he goes around the block and you go back to your breaking and entering."
I'd use a drone instead of a chinook and run a community program with the money saved on helicopter fuel .
So criminals will wait until the police pass by before committing a crime. Pretty obvious. .
Translated LAPD Police tries to justify their bloated helicopter budget.....
Combine liberalized concealed carry with the police subsidizing the purchase of guns and ammo by law-abiding, poor concealed carry holders. Let them also use police shooting ranges for free as long as they're in good standing. Then, on the street, take a reflexively pro-CCW holder stance until the facts say otherwise.
Is the LAPD so bad that they need a police force that exists just to keep them in line?
There is some historical evidence to corroborate your theory.
Of course, it could be the LAPD needs to justify the huge expense of patrolling from Ghetto Birds instead of ground-based black-and-whites, and they're not at all bothered by the statistical insignificance of the small sample trotted out here as causation.
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Once we accept the premise that continuous, warrantless, aerial surveillance reduces crime, they'll tout the benefits of drones: no pilot, less fuel...missiles.
I think helicopters would work better than drones here because they're a visible and audible reminder of the police. I think seeing a police officer walking down the street would work as well. There are a bunch of impulsive people who will behave better, if they saw a cop earlier that night.
Seems to me that 20 years or so ago, that was the idea of choice for solving crime - cops walking (note that walking and driving are NOT the same) a beat.
Worked where it was tried, but I think it was dropped when the Next Great Idea came along. Shame, really, since it actually would have gotten away from "the police is the enemy" notion that permeates entirely too much of our culture (with good reason, at time, but still a problem).
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"I mean that's the whole thing about random patrol. You see a police car and it's the same thing. You hide, he goes around the block and you go back to your breaking and entering."
No fucking shit. Thank you Captain Obvious.
Perhaps I'm reading the tone wrong, but it seems like he's complaining. "Ugh, police oppressors! How dare they patrol neighborhoods and reduce violent crimes!"
Isn't this kind of exactly what we want cops to do? Wander around, see if anybody's being beaten or mugged, or just be a visible presence to let the bad guys know somebody's watching? You'd prefer they left?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
cops walking (note that walking and driving are NOT the same) a beat
I've heard the same thing. I wonder if it's because walking is slower than driving (stop beating the guy for a second as the car passes), or if it's because seeing 'people' has more of an effect.
Worked where it was tried, but I think it was dropped when the Next Great Idea came along.
In the UK, I'd explain that with the ridiculous "targets" based policies.
Say you put a cop walking around in a really bad neighbourhood and suddenly crime there stops altogether. You think that's perfect. The people living there (except the criminals) think it's perfect. Life is good. Then someone higher up in the police force notices that this cop hasn't solved a single crime, and his target is to solve x crimes per month. So he is taken off the beat, crime returns, and he happily solves ten percent of the crimes and makes his target.