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UK Chancellor Confirms Introduction of 'Google Tax'

mrspoonsi sends this report from the BBC: Companies that move their profits overseas to avoid tax will be subject to a "diverted profits tax" from April, the chancellor has said. In his final Budget before the election, George Osborne said firms that aid tax evasion will also face new penalties and criminal prosecutions. The so-called "Google Tax" is designed to discourage large companies diverting profits out of the the UK to avoid tax. "Let the message go out: this country's tolerance for those who will not pay their fair share of taxes has come to an end," Mr. Osborne said. In 2012 it emerged that internet giant Google avoided tax on £10bn UK revenue in 2011 by doubling the amount of money put into a shell company in Bermuda. Doing so helped it avoid £1bn in corporation tax. Under the new tax regime, companies with an annual turnover of £10m will have to tell HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) if they think their company structure could make them liable for diverted profit tax. Once HMRC has assessed the structures, and decided how much profit has been artificially diverted from the UK, multinationals will have only 30 days to object to the 25% tax.

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  1. meanwhile by hjf · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is going to put many a libertarian in a hissy fit.

    You know, your typical 100K/yr libertarian that has no chance of ever getting hit by a tax like this.

    The typical libertarian who wants complete deregulation of *everything* but complains when Comcast is their only broadband choice.

    1. Re:meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look, I know libertarians will object to your comment, but I ask all of them to let the invisible hand do its work and correct you, rather than using their government regulation to down-mod you. Let's see that hand of the market make corrections!

    2. Re:meanwhile by magarity · · Score: 4, Informative

      The typical libertarian who wants complete deregulation of *everything*

      No, you've described an absolutist Libertarian. This is like saying the typical Socialist wants no privately owned possessions. The typical libertarian wants a lot less regulation than most developed countries have taken on.

    3. Re:meanwhile by hjf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? And it's never because Comcast either bought the competition OR pushed them out of business out of unfair competition?

      Never ever ever?

    4. Re:meanwhile by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      You realize that almost always the reason there's only one cable company is because of regulation, don't you?

      Not true. In a competitive market, costs tend to approach the marginal cost. That means that fixed costs (like the cost of trenching and laying cable) are sunk costs, and may not be recovered. So once one company has run cable into an area, there is little incentive for another company to do the same. Competition will just ensure they both lose. So cable service is a natural monopoly, where the first mover has a huge advantage.

      An unregulated market will NOT fix this problem. It will make it worse, either through explicit or tacit collusion. One solution is to decrease the fixed cost, by trenching just once, and installing a wide, publicly owned, conduit. Then allow any bonded company to pull cable through the conduit. This can cost less than 1% of the cost or retrenching, and greatly reduce the barriers to entry.

      It is very important to understand that an "unregulated" market, and a "competitive" market are not the same thing, and are often opposites. The government should promote competition, and sometimes that means more regulation, not less.

    5. Re:meanwhile by ranton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You realize that almost always the reason there's only one cable company is because of regulation, don't you?

      That is not even close to true. Regulation is partly responsible for why there are so few companies laying wires, but lack of regulation is what is holding back more companies from selling services which use those wires.

      The United States is almost the only country in the OECD which does not require the owners of broadband physical infrastructure to sell access to independent providers on a regulated wholesale market. This is almost the only reason our broadband speeds are so much worse and our costs are so much higher than other OECD countries. If we treated our broadband line like we do our telephone, electric, and gas lines, there would be plenty of competition. And using dozens of European countries as an example, the quality of our physical infrastructure would not suffer if this changed.

      Local governments do enact regulations and fees which make building our physical infrastructure more expensive, but that would be even worse if the local governments didn't exist. Having to deal with hundreds of individual property owners per neighborhood instead of one local government per township would make it near impossible to build our infrastructure. We can at least try to reign in corrupt government.

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    6. Re:meanwhile by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A consumption tax is inherently regressive. Those with smaller incomes must use a larger proportion of it on consumption. The wealthy will spend a comparatively tiny fraction of their income on tax and continue to amass vast piles of money.

      I'd prefer to see an approach where the corporate income tax is abolished and replaced by higher capital-gains and dividend taxes on the owners

    7. Re:meanwhile by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is very important to understand that an "unregulated" market, and a "competitive" market are not the same thing, and are often opposites. The government should promote competition, and sometimes that means more regulation, not less.

      The real problem is regulatory capture and the revolving door between the regulating agencies and the industries they're supposed to be overseeing. I think we need laws stating that anyone who has ever worked for an industry, and their immediate families and their known business associates, is not allowed to work in any capacity for a regulating agency, and vice-versa. The penalty should be ten years imprisonment with the general prison population, and the law should include a $50,000 bounty for the police officers, prosecutors, and any informants who successfully convict anyone guilty of this crime.

      If that sounds harsh, consider the harshness of living under a government that no longer represents its people.

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    8. Re:meanwhile by Bonzoli · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because my kids goto war and die to protect the rich persons money. You know the one that has an untaxed Trust fund, no tax on inherited wealth, hidden accounts around the world, and never really pay's their fair share while telling me, I didn't pay enough.

      Flat tax is a fail, consumption tax is a fail, not taxing inherited wealth is a fail. When you get drafted to protect their money, let me know how you feel in the trenches, and when you get out and can't find a job.
      Perhaps your one of the many that believe you will be filthy rich someday so you dont want to be taxed. Good luck, go back and learn some math in school, because you forgot how to do percentage chances.

    9. Re:meanwhile by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, Libertarians piss off both the left and the right. That's how we know we are correct.

      By that definition, Scientology and ISIS sure got everything right, too.

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    10. Re:meanwhile by hjf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, I'll try to put this in simple terms and math for ya.

      Let's assume you're making $1000/mo and you need $900 to live. If you pay a 10% tax, you're left with just $900, which means:
      * barely affording enough to live, and most important:
      * no money left for "consumption"

      Which is bad, because that extra money is what drives tourism, hobbies, and all other sorts of activities you do to "enjoy your life". "Barely affording enough to live" is basically the same as communism.

      Now let's take Mr. CEO making $1M/mo and needing $100K/mo to live. Take 10% off him and he still has $800K at the end of the month. Which he will, most likely, put in the bank (or stock market) for even more money (probably money they will loan to Average Joe who can't afford a new car).

      You see: not everyone is equal. A wealthy person has *more* spending at the end of the month (bigger house, more power, employees), but still has money to spend. Barely Living Joe has much less spending, has to sacrifice a lot of luxuries. And yet, they both are paying "10% tax".

      In other words: a flat tax "hurts" the poor much more than it hurts the rich.

      A simple image to put it as an example: http://ctworkingmoms.com/wp-co...

      Now, again, why do you want Average Joe to have more cash in hand at the end of the month? Because Average Joe is much more likely to *spend* that money, which drives the economy, rather that putting it in a bank.

    11. Re:meanwhile by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The tax code is for funding the government, not for social engineering.

      Maybe in America, but here in Europe, tax is seen as the wheel to steer the ship of state, and social engineering is seen as important to maintaining a state in which the police do not shoot (many) people, and they don't (often) shoot back.

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    12. Re:meanwhile by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was always the advantage of owning your own company, though I've heard the IRS has started cracking down on it in recent years. My first boss owned the company, and the company basically owned all his shit. His house, his cars, his boat, everything. Car needed a repair or oil change? Business expense! Trip to Atlanta? Business expense! IRS came in and audited the shit out of him for two weeks one time. IIRC they found that they owed him $1000. He had a VERY good accountant (Business expense!)

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    13. Re:meanwhile by hjf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Simple:
      there are MILLIONS of each Average Joe for every Mr. Rich CEO out there. And, combined, they will SPEND more money.

      Is that a difficult concept to grasp? Give Average Joe more money to spend, and HE WILL SPEND IT. And look! It will end up in Mr. Rich CEO's bank account anyway! Because he'll be selling more.

      The rest of your comment is just stupid rambling I won't bother addressing, because you're so incredibly dense, obtuse and unwilling to accept any idea other than your own.

    14. Re:meanwhile by hjf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Again, the point of my original comment still stands: Slashdot Libertarians are defending the ultra-rich, as if they have any remote chance of becoming that rich.

      It's just amazing.

      Hey dude, wake up... the day you'll be as rich as Buffet you'll be able to skew laws in your favor anyway. Don't worry about that.

      I don't know what's up with people defending the likes of Warren Buffet or any other guy who got rich by pure financial speculation. I'm not a marxist, and I have some money in investment funds. I just don't believe people who are that disgustingly rich should be given any mercy when it comes to taxing. They have all sorts of schemes NOT to pay taxes (like, precisely what this article says: sending their money abroad).

  2. So, dumb question(s)... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But is the 25% tax lower than what they'd pay if they hadn't diverted profits? Equal? More?

    To actually discourage diversion of profit, wouldn't the penalty have to be higher, or at least equal to, what they're avoiding?

    And does anyone not think that this will lead to tech companies having field trips to Hollywood to learn their style of creative accounting?

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    1. Re:So, dumb question(s)... by Afty0r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Last year the rate they *would* have paid on those profits, if left in the UK, was 21%, so yes it's (somewhat) punitive.

  3. Re:An election's coming, apparently by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He will do because its a big topic over here in the UK, and has been for a while.

    Personally, I applaud Osborn for doing it - for once we aren't saying "hey, you know those rules we made for you to adhere to? Well, we have decided that there are these other 'rules' as well which we would like you to adhere to, and we will say nasty things about you if you don't. Are they legally binding I hear you ask? Well, no, but that won't stop us from thinking you should be restricted by our second set of 'rules'..."

    Instead, we are actually getting something done about the rules under which companies should be paying tax. As a lot of people have said all along, fuck the spirit of the law, apply the actual law. If the law doesn't say what you want it to say, change it. Don't try and bully people into following your additional 'voluntary' rules which you want to make over and above the actual laws.

  4. Re:What's the value proposition? by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They provide a country in which Google can make over 10 billion pounds a year. That's something Google should pay towards helping, surely. It's not grabbing their money, it's taking back the money they asked for and were not paid, by Google moving some numbers around between banks, in a direct, purposeful attempt to keep as many of those numbers as possible, to the detriment to the markets in which they made said money.

    But I guess bitching about governments is more fun.

  5. Re:Down with hidden taxes by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hidden taxes like corporate income tax really abuse the low income population. Alas, demagogues find it easier to pretend otherwise for personal political gain.

    So how will taxing Google's profits abuse the low income population? Perhaps google will quadruple the cost of search in order to pass on the cost...

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