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Leaked Document Reveals Upcoming Biometric Experiments At US Customs

sarahnaomi sends word of new biometric technologies coming to U.S. entry points. "The facial recognition pilot program launched last week by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which civil liberties advocates say could lead to new potentially privacy-invading programs, is just the first of three biometric experiments that the feds are getting ready to launch. The three experiments involve new controversial technologies like iris and face scanner kiosks, which CBP plans to deploy at the Mexican border, and facial recognition software, according to a leaked document obtained by Motherboard. All three pilots are part of a broader Customs and Border Protection program to modernize screenings at American entry and exit ports, including at the highly politicized Mexican border, with the aid of new biometric technologies. The program is known as Apex Air Entry and Exit Re-Engineering Project, according to the leaked slides. These pilot programs have the goal of "identifying and implementing" biometric technologies that can be used at American borders to improve the immigration system as well as US national security, according to the slides."

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  1. In Soviet America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putin laughs at you!

    1. Re:In Soviet America by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      You know...it is NOT the people trying to cross legally at the border crossings manned by customs agents that are bothering me.

      It is the mass of fuckers crossing over illegally that we have NO idea who they are or what they are possibly up to that bother me.

      Why not channel all this money into actually making our borders more secure by making them LESS porous?!?!

      Hell, dig a mote...make a minefield, let our snipers do training with errant live targets trying to invade our soil illegally.

      Ok..so, maybe thats a bit extreme, but seriously....I'm not as afraid of anyone that is trying to come across AT the US customs manned crossing, it is the mass of folks coming over everywhere BUT there that I'm concerned with....spend the money there.

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    2. Re:In Soviet America by andydread · · Score: 1

      so you mean build a wall like the Berlin wall?

    3. Re:In Soviet America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Berlin wall was to keep people in. We're trying to keep people from trying to enter illegally. You know, that whole "sovereign nation" thing.

    4. Re:In Soviet America by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No, not like the Berlin wall. A wall designed to keep people out, not in.

  2. 1930s Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People kept saying "it won't get any worse" and "it can't happen here". Now they're talking about mandatory voting. Time to haul stakes.

    1. Re:1930s Europe by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can understand mandatory voting, however I will only accept it if there is a non of the above option. Should non of the above receive the most votes then a new election has to be held and none of those candidates can run in the second election.

      I figure it will take one or two run off elections and the hardliners on either side will disappear for more moderate people.

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    2. Re:1930s Europe by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Note, "Mandatory voting" typically means "Mandatory attendance".

      In a mandatory voting society, it's entirely reasonable to spoil your ballot, or select RON.

    3. Re:1930s Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you don't believe in democracy?

      Would you support mandatory church attendance for atheists as well?

    4. Re:1930s Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just abolish Primaries and changing the voting method to something proportional or ranked so that they can vote for more than one. Then force all of them to run at once and have all the hardliners, moderates and even 3rd parties all on the ticket and in this way, voting for 3rd party isn't throwing your vote away anymore (But to be honest, voting for one you don't want is throwing your vote away anyways which is what they have already been doing).

      Also, force immediate redistricting and force it to be done by an independent 3rd party or preferably, an open source computer program that all have access to along with the raw data used to draw districts and a seed number so all can verify the results at home. This way the states wouldn't be as gerrymandered as they are in my state (North Carolina). In my state, 1 republican vote has as much weight as 4 Democrat votes due to the way districts are drawn.

      Then go as far as banning all government officials from working outside of government after serving even a portion of a term as they are already getting paid and benefits for life. Working for the government should be seen as the endgame, not as a stepping stone to a consulting or lobbying job. And would also force them to forfeit all interests and stock in any company for both them and their significant other before they can be sworn in as to remove any conflict of interests and also bar them from gifts from any company.

      Also ban all donations from any groups, all donations must only come from individuals and the limit is capped at what a normal person could reasonably afford. This includes banning Unions, PACs, SuperPACs, Corporations and all. Also, any donations received must be returned to the donors or given to the government after an election, all officials are banned from profiting in any way from said donations.

      There is much more I could do, but the general gist is to make the votes actually matter while minimizing the effect money has over the process and those in it.

    5. Re:1930s Europe by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Then you can turn up, and make a big scene about spoiling your ballot.

  3. Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Global Entry kiosks use finger prints and facial recognition to verify your identity already.

    I don't see how this is a privacy concern. If you are traveling via plane, you already need to show a government issued photo id, which means the government already has your mug-shot.

    1. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by sh00z · · Score: 1

      Ditto--since when is a border crossing something that could be considered anywhere in the same sentence with privacy? It's in the public interest of TWO nations!

    2. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to, they force you. There is a difference.

    3. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Global Entry kiosks use finger prints and facial recognition to verify your identity already. I don't see how this is a privacy concern.

      I've no problem with the facial recognition and/or iris scanning - we already have these at UK entry points and they work well. I'm less happy about fingerprints though. You leave fingerprints everywhere and so they are easy to get hold of and potentially copy. Plus I would worry about my fingerprints ending up in a database which is searched by police. This raises the risk of either false matches or incidental matches if you happen to have been in a location where a crime is later committed.

    4. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So there is a limit to how much government surveillance you Brits will gladly accept... I just lost a dollar on a bet.

    5. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that US Customs is allowed to set up "border checkpoints" 200 miles from the border. They could start setting up biometric checkpoints in San Antonio, the 7th largest city in the country, and forcing anyone and everyone walking down the street to confirm their identities and plans. This isn't worrying because it's making reasonable border security actions slightly more efficient, it's worrying because it's giving an already out-of-control agency Orwellian powers. It's a slippery slope, but CBP is sitting there with a sled and a grin.

    6. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a concern in several ways.

        - We don't want these systems to be too good because our government could become authoritarian, and then we'll be the terrorists that we're currently trying to castrate. It will probably be more like guerilla warfare than terrorism since it will be population vs. mercenary guards rather than a traditional war or a civil war. Revolution is the wall against which democracy leans, and we're tearing it down.

            Short of armed rebellion, the government shouldn't be able to stop a protest organizer from travelling to the protest. Anonymous travel must be possible. Yes, that battle is already lost, but it shouldn't have been so every tightening of the Empire's grip still wrankles.

        - Currently there is some ambivalence about collecting fingerprints. If you're arrested, you're fingerprinted and the fingerprints are stored in a national database. There are kiosks in every police station linked to the FBI's national fingerprint database over an old private network. If you're never arrested, your fingerprints usually aren't on file. If you take certain creative plea agreements, like expensive "rehabilitation" for drunk drivers, your fingerprints (that were taken when you were arrested, because they always are) may be wiped at the end of the deal. If you take certain "please someone think of the children" jobs you might have to fork over your fingerprints, as a largely meaningless gesture of submission. Taking someone's fingerprints is a way of having more police control of them.

            Maybe it's not crazy to just take everyone's fingerprints right now relative to all the other control the police have gained since these customs around fingerprints first solidified. Personally I think the balance has tilted way too far in the other direction and don't want to give any ground, but yes the fingerprint argument is an old one, before we had much worse things like celfone tracking, license-plate scanning, CCTV follow-this-face logs, gun echolocation, etc. In 5 years it will just be, "the kiosk already takes DNA samples which you have to give to file your taxes, so * is ok."

      These arguments are all the same shape, and calling them "privacy" might be unhelpfully vague, but there is a halo of permission-to-discuss and permission-to-disagree around the word "privacy". If you start talking about revolution and police states, you will lose the median proles who are emotional and cowardly, decide what's right by what makes them feel good, and read news for an adrenaline jolt but feel entitled to look away whenever they like.

    7. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The iris scanners aren't new either. I was in Nexus (U.S./Canada pre-screening) before Global Entry existed, and the airport kiosks used iris scanners back then. They ended up replacing them with the fingerprint scanners currently used for Global Entry (these programs use the same kiosks at the airport). The word going around among Nexus members was that the iris scanners were too unreliable, which I can believe. I had to take off my glasses, and hold my eyelids way open with both hands, and maybe the machine would correctly ID me. The fingerprint machines have correctly authenticated me on the first try every time, even after I made about a 15mm cut across my fingertip while repairing electronics and the two halves healed slightly askew.

      Interesting that they're planning to bring back the iris scanners. Either they've improved the technology, or someone in DHS really likes iris scanners regardless of how well they (don't) work. Possibly bribed like with the airport backscatter x-ray scanners.

    8. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Ditto--since when is a border crossing something that could be considered anywhere in the same sentence with privacy? It's in the public interest of TWO nations!

      This is far too narrow a view. You're only considering privacy AT the border crossing. The implications are vastly larger than that.

      The problem is akin to the prohibition against searching your domestic "papers" without a warrant. That Constitutional prohibition (4th Amendment) isn't there because getting your papers searched is inconvenient! The problem -- and the whole reason the 4th Amendment exists -- is because of the knowledge such searches would give the government, and the potential abuses that arise later from that knowledge.

      Similarly, the issue with biometrics at the border is NOT the inconvenience of providing that information AT THE TIME. The problem is what the government can do -- and the abuses that are possible -- after the government has that information. Among other things, it can be used to track you anywhere.

      This is absolutely out of bounds. Not because of border crossings, at all. But because of just about everything else.

    9. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      To sum it all up briefly, which apparently may be necessary for some readers: one should not have to give up his or her privacy not just at the border but forevermore in all situations just in order to cross the border.

    10. Re:Global Entry Kiosks already have this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, in NZ we have this on exit and entry to the country. If you're over 15, scan your passport and then look at the camera array ahead, done. Any problem, you talk to a person face to face, done and on your way. Panic brigade are just that, again, again.

  4. Another brick in the road... by sasparillascott · · Score: 0

    The destination is total pervasive surveillance of the population. A false sense of control/power is the driver. JMHO...

    1. Re:Another brick in the road... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Why is it that every time I read stories like this I just want to go punch a TSA agent in the cock?
      The last time I flew back from international travel I got the privilege of getting photographed like all US citizens going through customs at JFK or Newark (I forget which one I went through in January) and decided to see what I could get away with. I have a black fedora I wear so I tipped my head down until the picture of my face was just a picture of my hat and flipped the camera the bird. The border agent seemed to be in a good mood as he chuckled when I brought the printed document that comes out of the machine up to him that has the picture on it. His only additional comment that it wasn't a very appropriate picture and waved me through. I figured at the time the worst that would happen is that I would be told to go back and fill it out again, get a proper picture and stand in line some more.

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    2. Re:Another brick in the road... by mi · · Score: 1

      The destination is total pervasive surveillance of the population.

      This has always been the destination of Statists since the very concept of State was invented by humans. The only effective limit is the capabilities of the State — sensory organs of rulers and their staff, and the recording and cataloging technologies of the times. Computers greatly expanded the latter in the past several decades, they are now expanding the former — and the State wishes to use everything available to the max, as it always did.

      A false sense of control/power is the driver.

      Why is it a false sense? It sure seems to be working. I'm not claiming, this is necessarily a good thing, but it is working...

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    3. Re:Another brick in the road... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. TSA has nothing to do with this -- this effort is CBP.
      2. Every adherent of Civilization should always seek out cause to deck TSA "agents." Doubly so in states that have Stand Your Ground laws on the books.

  5. Let me guess... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, everyone expects to be perfectly anonymous at a Customs Checkpoint, eh?

    Really? Going to a place where the guards on both sides of the border check your identity routinely, and people expect anonymity as a matter of course?

    Could we perhaps find something more important to be outraged about? Like LSU's baseball team embarrassing themselves last night? Or the morning coffee being cold? Or the birds waking my wife up early (therefore grumpy)?

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    1. Re:Let me guess... by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, everyone expects to be perfectly anonymous at a Customs Checkpoint, eh?

      I think it's more that people are worried how the collected biometric data may be used in places other than the border or for "official" purposes.

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    2. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long until something like this is showing up at DHS checkpoints on the side of highways in the Southwest? I give it 15 years tops, 10 or less if the whole "refuse to answer DHS questions" thing starts getting more popular.

    3. Re:Let me guess... by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      On Customs Checkpoint I usually hold my identification in my hand. It called a passport. It can be verified and tracked back to my country of origin. It likely also already contains a hash of my biometric data. It is also usually checked by US Embassy before I start my travel.

      Now let's say I go to USA and get my biometrics scanned at the checkpoint. What is that good for if I'm not on a watch list? And most importantly - what is going to happen with the scanned data after it is determined that I'm not on a watch list?

    4. Re:Let me guess... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Really? Going to a place where the guards on both sides of the border check your identity routinely, and people expect anonymity as a matter of course?

      What I expect is that they check the only document that is legally required to provide me with legal entry to my own country. I do not expect them to take my picture, finger prints, rental scan, blood sample, stool sample, perform a colonoscopy, or try to figure out if I am a terrorist by some automated scanner using some body language cues and body temp to see if I am a terrorist.

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    5. Re:Let me guess... by facetube · · Score: 1

      All of this data will eventually be collected on US citizens, and all of it will end up being handed over wholesale to law enforcement agencies. The FBI will use it with all of the care and accuracy that they did when they charged Brandon Mayfield. There, now you can be outraged.

    6. Re:Let me guess... by itzly · · Score: 1

      And most importantly - what is going to happen with the scanned data after it is determined that I'm not on a watch list?

      It goes in a database of course, so they can track your whereabouts.

    7. Re:Let me guess... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      No.

      It's sold to the advertisers.

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    8. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like I said up above: the issue is that Customs and Border Patrol no longer acts just at the border. They're allowed to put "border checkpoints" several hundred miles from the border, which could include downtown of some of the largest cities in the country. They could start setting up biometric checkpoints in San Antonio, the 7th largest city in the country, and forcing anyone and everyone walking down the street to confirm their identities and plans. This isn't worrying because it's making reasonable border security actions slightly more efficient, it's worrying because it's giving an already out-of-control agency Orwellian powers. It's a slippery slope, but CBP is sitting there with a sled and a grin.

    9. Re:Let me guess... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      It goes in a database of course, so they can track your whereabouts.

      No. It's sold to the advertisers.

      More likely, both.

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    10. Re:Let me guess... by itzly · · Score: 1

      How is a fingerprint or iris scan useful for an advertiser ?

    11. Re:Let me guess... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Really? You know damn well advertisers want to know where you have been, what you were doing there, how long you stayed, what you bought, who you met with ...

      That level of granularity is gold for advertisers.

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    12. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, everyone expects to be perfectly anonymous at a Customs Checkpoint, eh?

      No. We expect to be able to use a fake passport to cross if we need to cross so badly that we're willing to take a big risk, because our national identity is defined by good people who have taken such risks in the past.

    13. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anonymity is not the issue. biometric experiments are.

    14. Re:Let me guess... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Really? You know damn well advertisers want to know where you have been, what you were doing there, how long you stayed, what you bought, who you met with ...

      I was at the airport, going through customs, about twenty minutes, didn't buy anything because they had nothing for sale but did dump a half-eaten apple into the bio-hazard agri-trash, and I met two uniformed customs agent and one dog. That's what my fingerprint on a scanner at customs will tell the advertiser.

      As for a picture: the one time I went through one of those the sun was behind me and the picture of me was completely black. I don't recall any special processing that took place as a result, it seemed like the agents didn't worry too much about it.

    15. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad argument. Really bad actually.

      The issue isn't "can I remain anonymous at a Customs Checkpoint?" The issue is "what else happens with this"? The data generated by such a system is too tempting to not use for some other purpose not related to border crossings. We don't design our computer systems or processes for privacy.

      Case in point: you need to show ID for some kinds of business transactions. With modern cryptography we could design drivers licenses such that the address is not printed on the card. You give your DL to someone, they write down scan a key for exactly this purpose, and then ONLY if there's a compelling reason (your payment bounces, etc) can they gain access to your address info for collection/prosecution. Why should the person selling you a bottle of booze get to know your home address? There's no excuse for that. We can do things to prevent stuff like that.. We don't do things like that and instead do things like this. It's a fundamental sickness of our society.

      So the concern isn't your strawman argument of trying to be invisible in public. The concern is the design of systems with no protection against mission creep, unwanted data sharing, etc.

    16. Re:Let me guess... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      OK. To determine your footprint of importance, let's take the total population of you divided by 7 billion ...

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    17. Re:Let me guess... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      So, everyone expects to be perfectly anonymous at a Customs Checkpoint, eh?

      This is such a massive missing of the point that I really have to write: WHOOOOOSH!!!

      The issue is NOT privacy "at the checkpoint". The issue is privacy everywhere and everywhen ELSE.

    18. Re:Let me guess... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Are you telling us we need to start worrying about clones or pod people? How else are they going to use it in nefarious ways?

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    19. Re:Let me guess... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      That wooshing sound was the point zinging past your head. (In which case it should be a "zing" sound, but historical precedent rules.)

      What do advertisers learn from anyone using a fingerprint scanner at customs? "They were at the airport, going through customs ..." In fact, since you've already got to fill out customs forms that contain a LOT more information than your fingerprint gives them (what you bought, what countries you were in, are you carrying ...), the addition of a fingerprint scanner gives them nothing that wasn't already available.

    20. Re:Let me guess... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Question:

      What do advertisers learn from anyone using a fingerprint scanner at customs?

      Answer:

      "They were at the airport, going through customs ..."

      So, you're a traveler, coming from one place and going to another, at a particular time and you've made (or not) certain declarations, and this ain't your first rodeo and stuff.

      Advertisers don't have that information ... yet.

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    21. Re:Let me guess... by sjames · · Score: 1

      It also told them that you travel internationally.

    22. Re:Let me guess... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Advertisers don't have that information ... yet.

      And they don't get that from the fingerprint scanner. They get it from your much more invasive and privacy wrecking customs declaration form. What do advertisers get from the fingerprint that they don't already have? NOTHING.

    23. Re:Let me guess... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Ummmm ... the fingerprint?

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  6. Everybody runs, Fletch by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    In the old days, a fellow on the run could get by with a fake paper trail.

    Now the retinal transplant seems like a plausible future scenario.

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  7. The UK had this years ago! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About 10 years ago the UK had an IRIS scanning system, it was fantastic. Then budget cuts came and it was disbanded. No need for a passport check, just flash your eyeballs at the camera and entry to the UK :)

    1. Re:The UK had this years ago! by coofercat · · Score: 2

      ...and it didn't work in a lot of cases. In fact, it failed to meet half of the targets set for the programme (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/9087049/Iris-recognition-gates-scrapped-at-two-airports.html). All this, after the government touted the scheme as "watertight". Just goes to show the standards the government works to, eh?

  8. a clarification of potential solutions. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Build-a-Wall: that is stupid. it didnt work in berlin, it didnt work in china, it doesnt work in Israel, and its just a single donation to a government contractor.
    Immigration Reform: Powerball odds now more promising than reasonable reform legislation. The plutocracy does not share your interest in expanding the number of homebuilders and salad harvesters eligible for social security, medicare, healthcare, and especially disability compensation.
    Lets turn the place into Half Life 2: Yes please. Drones, Bioscanners, those lasers that sweep over people, xrays, drug sniffing robots, tasers, Terminators, and lots of plastic handcuffs and temporary prisons with indefinite detention. This system works perfectly to avoid the problem, ignore our melting pot ethos, and turn a profit for a quantifiable number of military and defense related government contractors. Tune in next year when we roll this shit out at stadiums, train stations, bus stops, and shopping malls.

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    1. Re:a clarification of potential solutions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tune in next year when we roll this shit out at stadiums, train stations, bus stops, and shopping malls.

      I think this is exactly the point. The people the government claims this will keep out (illegals and "terrorists") don't cross at regular customs offices. The whole point is to get people used to ubiquitous physical surveillance. Notice how there was no protesting by anyone when the Snowden papers revealed all our electronic communications are monitored (in direct violation of nearly every law, except the government "secret" ones)? Back in the 60's and 70's there would have been 500,000 protestors surrounding the white house the very next day demanding Alexander's head on a platter. In today's society nobody cares, and now they want that level of complacency for physical surveillance as well. The government's ultimate goal is TSA VIPR thugs on every street corner. I wonder when they will start wearing armbands ...

    2. Re:a clarification of potential solutions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've said this before on here and I'm saying it again.
      I'm very, very glad I don't have children.

      Who in their right fucking mind would think it is cool to have kids come into a dystopia that the US(First World in General) is devolving into.

      To quote George Carlin on his rant about Helicopter Parents(the police state we are moving towards):
      Just sit there with a fucking stick

  9. What ever happened to the melting pot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America was once the place everyone wanted to come to. And we let them. Now what? We've become the paranoid big brother nanny state. In ten years we'll have laser guided drones and robo-dogs marking people for assignation and arrest and for what end? Open the damn border and put all that money in a better place like - I don't know - scientific research and R&D for FOR PROFIT companies that create real paying jobs?

    1. Re:What ever happened to the melting pot? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that might have been more relevant back in the 17th through 19th centuries, even for most of the 20th, when there were plenty of jobs for low or limited skill workers. Nowadays western countries are having to try very hard to maximize the numbers going into education because without a degree you won't get much work as a result of hugely increased automation that shows no signs of stopping. For better or for worse, that's just how it is.

      In this new environment a massive influx of people without much in the way of qualification becomes a burden moreso than a positive addition, even if they're willing to work their asses off, as most of them are. Meanwhile all they're actually doing is competing for the crap jobs with the most disadvantaged in whatever country and driving down salaries for those that need them the most. I may have missed something here, but I don't think so.

      If the US really wanted to address this problem it would legalise most drugs besides the nastiest ones (added bonus of prison populations falling through the floor and people not being stigmatised for life, leading to greater earning potential, plus taxes on drugs) and provide incentives for its neighbours to the south to deal with corruption within their own governments. I've become firmly convinced that 90% of the causes for impoverishment on a national level are plain old graft. Wealth isn't being shared as it is in developed countries.

      Anyway yeah. My two cents.

    2. Re:What ever happened to the melting pot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, as you'll likely remember, during this time we were in the process of (or had just finished) nearly exterminating the humans that had inhabited the continent prior to America's inception. So there was a ton of spare room. Plus it took a ton of people to dig a ditch instead of one dude in a machine.

      We could solve most of the Mexico + Latin/South American illegal immigration by legalizing drugs and thereby not making all of their countries dangerous horrible shitholes run by drug cartels.

  10. Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by DutchUncle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, people, be realistic. Slashdotters are the foremost people complaining about antiquated low-tech approaches to problems and how they could be sped up, and probably half of us already use fingerprint or face recognition on our devices. Yet we're also among the people most aware of the negative impacts of such systems and the potential for abuse.

    This isn't random scanning, or general surveillance - this is a Customs checkpoint, where their ENTIRE JOB is to know who is passing in and out of the country. This is one of the ONLY places where such technology is justified. The danger isn't the open explicit mandated checkpoints, it's the misuse of this technology at every commuter station and the entrances to entertainment or shopping venues - and the availability of government-collected information (which we are coerced to provide) to commercial interests for non-public purposes. Though on a practical level it's more likely to go broke because someone got access to my finances through stupid commercial activity.

    1. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Except the southern border is open, and people are even given IDs of their choice. The only use of this technology is targeted oppression

    2. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by itzly · · Score: 1

      this is a Customs checkpoint, where their ENTIRE JOB is to know who is passing in and out of the country.

      If biometrics data is only taken at these checkpoints, what reference are they going to use to determine identity ?

    3. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain me what do you mean by "open"

    4. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming soon to an unconstitutional highway checkpoint in the American Southwest!

    5. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and the minor detail that biometrics are irrevocable.

      In the end, it's not 'You', it's 'Your Retina Scan Connected To A File In A Database', and if some fat-fingered clerk or buggy script decides to attach "Dutch Uncle", the loyal nice guy's scan to "Ditch Uncle", the international man of terror's file, you're screwed.

      That database error will be endlessly replicated and prove near-impossible to ever undo. (See the 'no-fly list').

      Passports, IDs, credit cards - All of these have unique numbers, and can be tossed away and replaced with another one with another number. Even your name can be fairly easily legally changed.

      Good luck with your retinas.

      AC

    6. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      The parent means that if you want to cross, you'll either make it through, or you'll be caught and released inside the country. Your chances of deportation are almost nil.

    7. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      The typical use case is to go both ways; out and back in (for residents), or in and back out (for visitors). When you pass through, the biometrics data is linked to the passport or other reference. At a minimum, one can confirm that someone claiming to be a returning resident really is the same person who left; and that a departing visitor really is the same person who entered; and if there is a maximum time for visitors (default or visa), whether a visitor has overstayed his/her/its maximum time.

      My point, though, was more about the reflex reaction of "big government spying on us". This isn't spying - it's gatekeeping, and it's one of the few legitimate purposes of such data. The problem, as with so many other things like wireless toll passes or license plate scanners, is limiting the usage to those few legitimate purposes. I don't mind being tracked on the occasions that I cross the national border; I *do* mind that the information I gave to get my passport, and the photos, become the base for identification systems tracking people all over the place "for our own safety".

    8. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is NO need to modernize this. The only reason they are trying this, just like every other government in history is for a POWER GRAB.
      http://papersplease.org/
      http://inforwars.com/
      Do NOT believe me, instead, look back at history. EVERY government has steadily stolen power and failed.

      Get up off your lazy ass and fight this, or it will be not just your grandkids, and kids, but you who will have to go through the bullshit.

    9. Re:Modernize: complaints. Don't modernize: ditto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every Mexican citizen living in one of the border states (Baja California, Nuevo Leon, etc) only has to prove they've been employed the last 6 months and have a permanent address and a Mexican passport to be issued a 10-year Border Crosser visa. With it you can cross whenever you want without any special permit within 100 km of the border. For trips beyond that you bring some receipts plus 6 dollars and you get issued a permit for a duration of up to 6 months depending on circunstances.

  11. Why is it so bad ? by BlueTrin · · Score: 1

    I see this as complimentary information on your passport/ID against frauds/fake papers. Why is it touted as an invasion of privacy ?

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    1. Re: Why is it so bad ? by trippin_efnet · · Score: 1

      It is bad because we find out about programs through leaks or once they are implemented. The public is now taken completely out of the debate. The govt stonewalls us everytime we try to get information. The govt outright lies to us and our congressmen over and over again. At a very fundamental level our system is broken. Our ability to influence our govt is gone. We can not choose our leaders based on factual information anymore. Our govt is treating us, its people like the enemy. Our govt treats our questions about fundamental issues with derision and blocks us anyway it can. Considering those facts, these types of programs being implemented with no public discourse rightfully irritates.

    2. Re: Why is it so bad ? by trippin_efnet · · Score: 2

      I should elaborate on the our inability to influence: We can not make informed choices anymore about who we wish to have represent us, because, so many important things are being hidden from us. It is impossible to use our vote to fix things that we don't even know are happening until the info is leaked. And once it is leaked, the game of misinformation starts at which point it becomes impossible to tell a truth from a lie.

    3. Re:Why is it so bad ? by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Do you see a difference between a photograph and biometric data? That's the difference.

  12. SECURE THE BORDER!!! by andydread · · Score: 1, Funny

    We have them Mexicans INVADING America. We have to secure the border and keep them out. They are diluting our culture and they don't want to learn English and they are bringing ebola and they are bringing measles because they don't have vaccination. It's the downfall of America. SECURE THE BORDER NOW!!!

    1. Re:SECURE THE BORDER!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legalize all drugs. Makes their countries not shitholes run by drug cartels. Problem solved and you've now got a ton of additional tax revenue here in US.

      No.
      Fucking.
      Downsides.
      Worse.
      Than.
      Drug.
      War.

    2. Re:SECURE THE BORDER!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got it backwards, andydread. It's the AMERICANS invading MEXICO for which the border must be secured. There are NO controls on land transit from USA to MEX, and THIS MUST STOP!!!

    3. Re:SECURE THE BORDER!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gringos invaded our borders first. We are just slowly taking it back. And yes, we do know english , but saying "no hablo ingles" is an easy way to get most of the stupid whites off of our back. We have better vaccination than than those states that are refusing it. And Ebola comes from Africa

  13. The next hacker target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't believe the government will be able to keep the iris scan data safe. And from there it is just a small step to fake my identity, maybe not by creating a fake iris but by hacking the connection between the iris scanner and the data base computer.

  14. Just at entry or exit points? Think again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget that border patrol has authority up to 100 miles inland from the border (so just not around the border of Mexico). This means this tech could be used in most of the big cities around the U.S. The full details of the border can be found at http://www.thenation.com/article/180649/66-percent-americans-now-live-constitution-free-zone

  15. Mexican border, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if illegals go through the official entry points....or at the feds going to line the Rio Grande with Kiosks

  16. Walls do work by mi · · Score: 1

    Build-a-Wall: that is stupid. it didnt work in berlin, it didnt work in china, it doesnt work in Israel

    You seem to think, that if the wall fails to prevent all trespass, it may as well not exist at all. This is profoundly wrong.

    Contrary to your unsubstantiated statements, the wall did work in Berlin:

    It was a desperate – and effective - move by the GDR (German Democratic Republic) to stop East Berliners escaping from the Soviet-controlled East German state into the West of the city

    and still works in Israel:

    Opponents of the wall grudgingly acknowledge that it's been effective in stopping bombers

    A wall around my property is also working very nicely, thank you very much, as is one around the White House and other numerous installations world-wide, both private and public — fence-builders are not out of business, are they?

    It didn't do much for China, because walls by themselves aren't enough — an unattended and unpatrolled border will be breached — but it still slows an invasion down and makes the defenders' (if there are any!) job easier.

    One has to try real hard to get more wrong than you just did, congratulations...

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    1. Re:Walls do work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wall? No. How about a giant mote? Or better yet, why not a long canal (some going through mountains) to act not just as a mote, but a way for ships to avoid the Panama canal?

      It's like Mexico is exporting their problems. Maybe the solution is to provide (more?) aid to Mexico so people don't want to leave there. Don't illegal immigrants pull down wages by either being a labor surplus and/or willing to work for lower wages under threat of deportation?

    2. Re:Walls do work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I meant moat.

    3. Re:Walls do work by mi · · Score: 1

      It's like Mexico is exporting their problems.

      No, it is more like we are importing them.

      Maybe the solution is to provide (more?) aid to Mexico so people don't want to leave there

      Yes — aid them by helping free market to take hold. But not in Mexico — most of the (captured) illegals aren't from Mexico — not any more. Maybe, that's because our Southern neighbor managed to dislodge the Institutional Revolution Party from power?

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    4. Re:Walls do work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just leave Mexico alone. People here already know the solutions. Just stay the f*ck out.

  17. ... I've used these kiosks! ... by ninjagin · · Score: 1

    At the ATL airport. Pretty whizzy. I think it may have actually sped up the process. The only strange part was you basically move through a set of various stations and checks, like 4 or 5 before you finally talk with an agent about declarations at the end. It was pretty streamlined and pretty easy to use the devices.

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  18. Classified "experiments" by plcurechax · · Score: 1

    While border crossing has typically meant displaying government issues documentation, primarily a passport and any related travel/entry visas. This requires informed consent of the traveller, they are asked to display their papers. The question is, what about programs that aren't obvious or informed consent?

    The part that is concerning is the existence of classified "experiments" where is it not clear what information is being gathered, who has access to it, and how it is being used.

    History has repeatedly shown that undisclosed, and/or unchecked surveillance ends up being misused against the public, not in the public interest.

    If everything is legal, robust, and accurate, why does law enforcement has to be done in such a clandestine manner? The vast majority of identification / evidence techniques used in court are robust enough to withstand being challenged by the defence.

    While these clandestine techniques being "experimented" with may be pure BS, being misused simply as a basis for law enforcement agents to continue practising age-old discrimination based on racial profiling, bigotry, and sterotypes, not any actual accurate information.

    1. Re:Classified "experiments" by itzly · · Score: 1

      age-old discrimination based on racial profiling, bigotry, and sterotypes, not any actual accurate information.

      Accurate information is often unavailable. Imprecise information, especially if you have a lot of it, is useful.

  19. Explain to me again why identity matters? by island_earth · · Score: 1

    I have yet to see any compelling argument as to why the airline, TSA, or anybody else should care who I am when I fly. I could be the worst terrorist in the world, and if their security measures are adequately indicating that I'm unarmed, it's safe to let me fly.

    It's a government issue and an airline issue, where they really want to know who I am for control over tickets and control over the people. Somewhere along the way their insistence that it was for security reasons became the accepted, unchallenged truth. "For security reasons" is not and should not be an excuse for anything they want to do.

    P.S. Photo ID is not required to fly. They just make it way less convenient if you don't. See the TSA's own web site for info. http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

    1. Re:Explain to me again why identity matters? by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 1

      Identification at airports is a giveaway to the Airlines to kill the second hand ticket market. Airlines don't want an entire industry propping up to buy tickets way in advance at cheap rates, and resell them to travelers.

  20. First they iris-scanned the Mexicans.. by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    ..and I didn't speak up because i wasn't Mexican.

    Remember, whether it's immigrants or Guantanamo prisoners: if it's good enough for Them, then it's good enough for Us.

  21. This is easily subvertable by morphotomy · · Score: 1

    Just dual boot the laptop and have it not ask which OS to load unless you tap a certain key during the boot sequence. Customs workers are happy because they think they have access, travelers are happy because their data is safe, and lawmakers can go fuck themselves because their ignorance precedes them.

  22. How's this different from what they are doing now? by tipo159 · · Score: 1

    The last time that I (a US citizen) flew back from Canada (last December), I got directed to a kiosk that I inserted my passport into and that took a photo of my face. When I got my last passport photo, I was clean shaven, had just got my haircut and was 20 lbs heavier. When I went through Passport Control, I hadn't had an opportunity to shave for a few days, I hadn't had much sleep either and it had been a couple months since I got my haircut. The kiosk could not match my passport photo against how I looked, so I was directed to a Immigrations officer. He could instantly tell that the photo matched my face.

    Most of the people going through Passport Control didn't seem to have the same problem, which was fine because there was a long line for the station after the kiosk and no line for an Immigration officer, so, in the end, I got through more quickly.

  23. Border by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its the motherfuckers WALKING across the borders you have to worry about