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Finland's Education System Supersedes "Subjects" With "Topics"

jones_supa writes Finland is about to embark on one of the most radical education reform programs ever undertaken by a nation state – scrapping traditional "teaching by subject" in favor of "teaching by topic". The motivation to do this is to prepare people better for working life. For instance, a teenager studying a vocational course might take "cafeteria services" lessons, which would include elements of maths, languages, writing skills and communication skills. More academic pupils would be taught cross-subject topics such as the European Union — which would merge elements of economics, history, languages and geography. There will also be a more collaborative teaching approach, with pupils working in smaller groups to solve problems while improving their communication skills.

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  1. Re: Subject is an imperialist term anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw the article too, and consulted a friend in Finland who is an educator. It turns out the article is mostly B.S. In the sense that it isn't the 'revolution' the article paints it to be. i don't know that we can take much of anything we read on the web at face balue anymore. Sigh.

  2. Re:Ban teachers union by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's not be hyperbolic. While it's clear that you don't like what they're doing, can you point to anything they're doing that is actually illegal? Because that R in RICO refers to racketeering, and while they are indeed organized (which is their right under the First Amendment, since we have freedom of association) and do at times place their own interest ahead of those whom they are supposed to be serving (which is true of all of us, to some extent), you would be hard-pressed to argue that everyday schoolteachers are active participants in organized crime.

    It's hard to have a reasonable discussion about the actual problems when you're practically Godwin-ing this conversation by implying schoolteachers bear such striking similarities to the Mafia that they deserve to be prosecuted using the same set of laws.

  3. We had this when I was in school.... by Primate+Pete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was called vocational education, and it prepared people for skilled blue collar work. The purpose-driven approach wasn't really geared toward a liberal education or to prepare students for self-determined careers, but it did prepare people to work in auto repair shops, to fix HVAC systems, and so forth. It is not clear to me how the Helsinki system will prepare students for university work in liberal arts, sciences without immediate/clear applications, philosophy and mathematics, and so on. I assume they've thought about it, but I don't get it.

    It should be a concern.

  4. Too much focus on 'working life' by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The purpose of college is to give you a better life, make you a better human. Although it's true that many people go there merely to increase their salary, the wise professors are supposed to guide and open the eyes of their pupils.

    Focusing so much on 'working life' can lead to a seriously deficient education.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Too much focus on 'working life' by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In fact, the idea of school as 'preparing you for working life' almost seems like something out of a dystopian corporatocracy....

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  5. Re:Just like Evergreen State College by GrahamCox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullshit. I refuse to let the ignorant decide what's right and wrong. You should too.

  6. Re:Subject is an imperialist term anyway by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finnish subjects finished as subjects in 1918. Now they will finish subjects in Finnish schools and subject Finnish students to topics subject to subjects being finished.

  7. Re:Ban teachers union by Guy+Harris · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because finnish teachers are not unionized at all, right?

    As you presumably suspected - or already knew - was the case, they most definitely are unionized.

  8. In Finland, teacher spots are hyper-competitive by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Informative
    Check out these facts about Finnish teachers, and weep (if you're American) (source):

    Becoming a teacher in Finland is as competitive as getting into an Ivy League school, and Finland offers no other route into the profession. So, there is no Teach for Finland. To teach in Finland requires a five-year master's degree in education. Admission to a teacher preparation program includes a national entrance exam and a personal interview. Only one of every 10 applicants is accepted into a teacher preparation program in Finland; competition to become a primary school teacher is even tougher, with 1,789 applicants for only 120 spots, for example, at the University of Helsinki in 2011-12. Only eight universities offer teacher preparation programs in Finland, which allows the country to ensure consistency from program to program. Contrast that with Minnesota which has about the same population as Finland (5.2 million) but about 30 colleges that offer teacher preparation programs.

    I also remember reading that about 90% of Finnish teachers graduated in the top quintile of their class. In the US, that figure is more like 4%. American students of education typically get the worst SAT and GRE scores of all the majors. We cannot ignore these facts when we're comparing educational systems. In the US it's easier to get into med school than it is for a smart Finn to get into teacher school. The quality of the people who make it through means that pretty much every innovation they try is bound to produce satisfactory results, because highly their best and brightest are in charge.

  9. Sweden reformed it's schooling system 30 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am from Sweden, a neighbouring country to Finland. 30 years ago, we reformed our school system to death (communitybased instead of state based, allowing private profit-driven enterprises and so on). Our results have kept dropping and dropping ever since, and it seems it will only keep on this way. We admire Finland; They have the great results we used to have. I really hope their politicians don't disrupt their system with unneccesary and untested reforms.

  10. Re:Ban teachers union by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why do we have unions?

    because there is no balance of power in the workplace without them, and workers will be impoverished without that balance

    this is not a theoretical assertion on my point, this is american history: the gilded age and robber barons, the birth of the labor movement because the working class was being fucking shafted

    look at jobs without unions benefits, and they pay shit, with shit benefits. that's what you want?

    unions indeed introduce a whole new spectrum of abuses, that is true

    but i assert to you that whole spectrum of abuses is smaller than the bullshit the plutocrats got away with a hundred years ago, and want to get away with again, because morons like you believe "right to work" propaganda and lies in your ignorance of american history. you want us to learn the painful labor lessons all over again

    i never understood conservatives who argue against unions and universal healthcare. unless you are a rich asshole. otherwise, you're basically arguing for your own impoverishment, and are too stupid to understand that. plutocrats call you "useful fools." they buy media channels to keep you adequately outraged over moronic half lies and red herring topics. fed bullshit, kept in the dark, unleashed on the voting booths, outraged over simpleton depictions of complex topics, voting happily for those who work hard to make you poorer so a few of their rich friends can make yet more than they deserve, weakening the american economy overall

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  11. Re:Ban teachers union by peppepz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do I need a union?

    Unions lobby the government to make them pass laws that make your work life more enjoyable even if you don't belong to one. This is needed to counter balance the lobbying power of the employers. For example, if fire breaks out at the place where you work, most probably you'll find fire extinguishers and emergency exits, and this fact is not due to your employer's benevolence or your professionality: your employer would be compelled by market forces to make you work in a dangerous place, if there weren't laws in place preventing malevolent employers from competing with him.

    I'm not impoverished, despite you saying I should be without a union...

    You don't need to be a communist to actually believe in the role of unions: the IMF, certainly not a lair of leftists, found out that inequality and poverty rise when the power of unions falls.

  12. You must be a product of US education by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because you got it completely backward. Finland's education is one of the most egalitarian in the world.

    Everyone gets the same educational opportunity in Finland and it is *all* state run. And in fact it is aimed very much at the working class, starting with free daycare starting at 8months. Finland's teachers are FULLY UNIONIZED.

    Finland's education system is a system of LEVELLING UPWARD, and has lifted their entire nation. US education is screwed up,but it is NOT because the left got what they wanted.

    --PM