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RMS Talks Net Neutrality, Patents, and More

alphadogg writes "According to Richard Stallman, godfather of the free software movement, Facebook is a "monstrous surveillance engine," tech companies working for patent reform aren't going nearly far enough, and parents must lobby their children's schools to keep data private and provide free software alternatives. The free software guru touched on a host of topics in his keynote Saturday at the LibrePlanet conference, a Free Software Foundation gathering at the Scala Center at MIT.

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  1. Facebook == evil? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFS: According to RMS, Facebook is a "monstrous surveillance engine,"

    Frankly, I think he's being excessively kind on Facebook there and that's the last thing I would have expected from him!

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  2. Re:I know I'll get flamed... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stalman has done a lot, but sometimes his ideas get in the way of actual software. Hurd? after decades still not shipped. gcc? Got out of hand until it got taken over by egcs.

    That makes no sense. His idea was to have a 100% free unix. They started working on the hurd. Then Linux came along and it was under an acceptable license, so RMS declared that the problem was solved, GNU had the kernel it wanted and so developing one was no longer a priority.

    Likewise ECGS (Experimental GNU Compiler System) was a fork of GCC it proved substantially better, so the FSF abandoned the mainline and adopted the superior fork.

    In other words, I think both examples you've given of RMS getting in the way are actually examples of exactly the opposite.

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  3. Re:I know I'll get flamed... by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

    godfather of the free software movement

    But I disagree with the having Stalman as the locus of free software. There was free software before him (BSD, etc) and will be free software after him. Maybe capitalize it right. Yeah, he created the Free Software Foundation. Just call it that.. godfather of the FSF.

    Stalman has done a lot, but sometimes his ideas get in the way of actual software. Hurd? after decades still not shipped. gcc? Got out of hand until it got taken over by egcs. Was also the "Cathedral" in "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" as the example of what NOT to do. emacs? Witness the hassle with xemacs and emacs.

    I believe Stallman is credited for this because the average user never heard of Open Source or Free Software until the arrival of the GPL and its enabling of systems built with the Linux kernel and GNU userland. Now that those have arrived and taken off, the corporate investment in open source software has increased tremendously and most people have at least heard of Linux even if they don't personally use it. Lots more people at least use some kind of open source software even if they are not programmers and don't appreciate what this means, e.g. Firefox, much of Android and its apps, many servers run Linux, etc. These things are all based around the GPL.

    One could speculate that what the movement really needed was more ubiquitous Internet access, of course, but for whatever reason, FOSS and similar ideas were completely unknown to average users until the GPL took off. That's why Stallman receives this kind of credit. You also have to admire a guy when most criticisms against him boil down to "you are too much of a purist" which can be restated as "you are too consistent [for my liking/convenience] with your stated principles". He contributed not just a license that really facilitated worldwide collaboration, but also a consistent, well-articulated set of principles based on his best understanding of freedom; and he actually got many people to listen to them. That's an accomplishment all by itself.

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  4. Finally some libre hardware recognition by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good to see that RMS is now backing libre hardware, I remember the last time Slashdot interviewed him he seemed completely unaware of it and thought that he was being asked about drivers.

    The data logger in my sports car is libre hardware & software B-)

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  5. Re:I know I'll get flamed... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was free software before him (BSD, etc) and will be free software after him.

    RMS did not invent free software. But he was the first to espouse the philosophy of free software, and argue that it was an ethical and moral issue. He also made huge practical contributions. If you run Linux, you are likely using a lot more code written by RMS than by Linus.

  6. A few problems with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) He's not made a religion out of it, you've decided that it is easier to "explain away" as a religion and therefore decided it is.

    2) You can't build anything. You needed the freedom to use the tools how you wished to use them to create your edifice. If your hammer had an EULA that said you couldn't share the house you built with it and if you left or moved house, then you had to destroy the house or be jailed and/or fined, then you would know how much you need to have the freedom of hammer manufacturers curtailed.

    3) Nobody made you use GPL software. You have to agree to MS's EULA which restricts you and what you do (and still pay) to use their code. You have to agree to Sun's EULA to use their code (and give away your patents). And all the GPL does is set the standard payment of "you cannot close the software" as the payment. Do you rip off Microsoft or Sun's code because you feel you should be free to use their code in your software for whatever you want? They disagree. But you only whine about the GPL having a problem with it.

    4) FB keep changing their ToS and agreements. Much like Microsoft's network that originally made ANYTHING you discussed on their social media network that was patented a free and gratis grant of license to Microsoft to use, the agreements need serious consideration. And only when lots of people complained about a bad agreement did Microsoft change. You seem not to want this complaint of FB to stand. Is that because FB is sacrosanct, or because it's RMS doing it? Either of those two must be true (or both true) for this double standard.

    5) The success of Linux required the GPL. Without it, it would languish like BSD has done. When a competitor can rip off your code and use you as development support, you want some payback, and GPL gave it when BSD doesn't. So only pointless stuff is added to BSD, stuff that doesn't make a difference. In the GPL code you can add your useful technology and get free help from people who are helping you because it helps themselves.

  7. Re:I know I'll get flamed... by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stalman has done a lot, but sometimes his ideas get in the way of actual software. Hurd? after decades still not shipped. gcc? Got out of hand until it got taken over by egcs.

    That makes no sense. His idea was to have a 100% free unix. They started working on the hurd. Then Linux came along and it was under an acceptable license, so RMS declared that the problem was solved, GNU had the kernel it wanted and so developing one was no longer a priority.

    Likewise ECGS (Experimental GNU Compiler System) was a fork of GCC it proved substantially better, so the FSF abandoned the mainline and adopted the superior fork.

    In other words, I think both examples you've given of RMS getting in the way are actually examples of exactly the opposite.

    It does take a certain humility to abandon what may very well have been a project dear to one's heart, in order to advance a larger goal that will benefit more people. What's more typical is to see Not Invented Here and other forms of pride get in the way of what should be a technical decision. The very idealism that draws so much (mostly useless) criticism to this guy (from people who haven't contributed a fraction of his works) is his best feature.

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    It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  8. Re:How would he know? by JThundley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RTFA:

    For one thing, he said, he now connects to websites from his own computer – via Tor and using a free software browser. Previously, he used a complicated workaround to more or less email webpages to himself. The announcement brought a surprised gasp and a round of applause from the 300-plus attendees./quote