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NASA's Abandoned Launch Facilities

trazom28 writes I ran across an interesting slideshow of NASA's abandoned launch facilities. It's an interesting piece of scientific history. The images are from "photographer Roland Miller's upcoming book, Abandoned in Place. The book is a visual study of the deactivated launch and research facilities that played an essential role in early American space exploration.

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  1. Then and Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I highly recommend the Then and Now tour at Cape Canaveral AFS. You sign up for it at the KSC visitors' center.

    1. Re:Then and Now by Imagix · · Score: 4, Informative

      Note that one of the tours requires you to bring a passport (if you're not a USAian), I believe the justification was that you're going onto an active military base.

    2. Re:Then and Now by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      That's not surprising. They want something guaranteed to be good. It's unrealistic for them to be able to know if every form of ID from any country in the world is legitimate. I'm sure they do at least a cursory check before allowing anyone in.

      In theory, your passport is good. It should have been checked when you entered the US.

      If you are a foreign national in the US, you're suppose to keep your passport with you at all times. Some states require anyone 18 and over to carry at least a state issued ID with them at all times. I carry 3 state/federal photo IDs, because they all serve a different purpose.

      This is the ID requirement from their site.

      ID Requirements
      Please arrive at the designated boarding area at least 15 minutes before departure time. A U.S. government-issued Driver's License or U.S. State ID card is required for guests age 18 and over. International adult and child guests must present a valid passport to participate.

      https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/tours/ksc-up-close-then-and-now-tour.aspx

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  2. Re:first by blackomegax · · Score: 4, Interesting
  3. Re:Number 4 by SlayerofGods · · Score: 5, Informative

    So follow up...(thank you google image search) Wired also is carrying the pictures and actually tells you what they are instead of BS like "Abandoned Secret NASA Complex"
    http://www.wired.com/2014/11/c...
    Number 4 is
    "Shelter Dome, Rubber Room, Launch Pad 39B, Kennedy Space Center, FL, 1996. “Adjoining the Rubber Room was a Shelter Dome room with the floor set on springs to isolate the occupants from whatever conflagration may be occurring above them as they seek shelter.”

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  4. Me depressed now by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wouldn't be so bad if this were just part of a natural evolution of NASA. But at its heart it's the result of the dramatic slashing of the NASA budget after Apollo, the end of the "space race," and constant political interference (mostly in the form of pork projects that Congressmen wanted NASA to lend credibility to). NASA is a sad shell of its 1960's self, and these facilities are a very literal reminder of that fact.

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    1. Re:Me depressed now by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      But at its heart it's the result of the dramatic slashing of the NASA budget after Apollo, the end of the "space race," and constant political interference (mostly in the form of pork projects that Congressmen wanted NASA to lend credibility to).

      Well, no. Not really.

      Pretty much all of the Saturn V pads and buildings are still there, and still in use - having been repurposed multiple times. The Saturn I pads were abandoned in the late 60's because nobody thought we'd ever use them again. (And then along came Skylab.)

      Other pads were abandoned for a wide variety of reasons... For example, we don't need as many as we used to because we don't have vehicles sitting on the pad as long as we used to. Others were abandoned because rockets don't blow up nearly as often, so we don't need "hot spares". Others were abandoned because the booster was replaced by a different one and the activity shifted to a different pad. Yet others because not only do rockets not blow up so often, their payloads fail less often and have a longer lifetime, so we don't need much of the the frenetic launch pace of the 60's. (Or multiple combinations of these.) Etc... etc...

      The number of pads required aren't pushed by raw budget, they're pulled by user requirements. Now, I won't disagree that budgets effect the pull rate, but so do a variety of other factors.

  5. Reminds me of Rocketdyne by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These remind me of the old Rocketdyne facility near where I grew up in Southwest Missouri. There were a couple of huge rocket testing facilities out there, but they were shut down in the 60s (I think). Thirty years ago, I could take my Jeep and drive around out there and snoop around.

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  6. Re:Number 4 by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Wow ... and on a rocket launch pad, that "conflagration" could be quite, er, dramatic.

    Would not ever want to be the poor bastard who had to lock himself into that room and hope it would hold up.

    That's the "curl up in a corner and keep screaming until they find you" room.

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  7. Re:it wouldnt be slashdot without a cynic by gstoddart · · Score: 3

    Roland Miller's upcoming book, Abandoned in Place, serves as a masterful interpretation of many other United States research facilities in the coming century as this superpower furiously disregards climate change, global warming, income inequality, government corruption, and a failed foreign policy in a race to a dystopian hell the likes of which mankind has never known.

    So, everything is proceeding according to plan, then?

    Surely you don't think that's by accident. People have spent good money to ensure that happens.

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  8. Re:Number 4 by SlayerofGods · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yah that's why the photo caught my eye; I was thinking why would people inside a several foot thick concrete dome need harnesses and fire blankets... whomever is in this room is not having a good day.
    After knowing what it's called there is an even more amazing article on that very room.
    http://www.spaceflightnow.com/...
    They join technicians working on the platform to jump down a chute on the north-side of the platform that connected to the teflon-lined slide that rapidly gets them underground.
    That 200-foot slide empties into the aptly-named "rubber room" with its rubber floors meant to absorb the impact of the explosion occurring on the pad surface 40 feet above them. Hopping off the landing ramp, the people would scurry to their left into the fallout shelter, a domed room suspended on shock-dampening springs and sealed off with massive blast-proof doors. Inside, the chamber held 20 chairs, a toilet and carbon dioxide scrubbing equipment to keep the occupants alive until rescue teams arrive.

    AWESOME!

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  9. Re:Back in the days, lots of rocket activity by sconeu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SSFL (Santa Susanna Field Laboratory) was also the site of the worst nuclear accident in US history.

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  10. Re:that's sad by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Informative

    I expect that as long as we are setting rockets on their ass and blasting them into space, it would not be "rocket science" to design a launch facility that is adaptable to different vehicles and sizes. Re-inventing the wheel is expensive.

    Warning - I am an inveterate Rocket slut......

    The difference between different Rockets is astounding. My post isn't trying to contradict - I have some fun examples to enjoy

    Freedom 7 Mercury launchL

    http://voyagerslog.blogspot.co... Alomost unbelievably single. A retaining ring, and a pivoted gantry.

    This is almost shocking. There was a tower and elevator that owuld pull away before launch - probably because those early ones were so explodey. But this is darn simple. And we were learning as we went at the same time.

    Gemini program. The rocket was more powerful, and thrust effects were getting getting to be a problem, they could wreck a rocket.

    Here is a cool photo I'd not seen before - a time exposure photo of Gemini 10 put in place and launched - Love it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    Back to the launchpad itself, now you'll see it is built up some. I'll note that this was a repurposed launch pad, having been used for Titan II rockets. It was abandoned at the end of the Gemini program. The larger thrust required thrust deflectors to avoid damage to both the Pad and rocket. http://www.honeysucklecreek.ne...

    Then we move onto the Saturn 1, but lett's ski ahead to the Saturn V.

    This was one serious big sumbitch rocket. The days of taking a little rocket out horizontally were gone, replaced with the vertical transport. The sizes were so different that in addition to handling the amount of thrust, everything was bigger.

    Which brings us to Launch complex 39 Of Apollo and Shuttle fame.

    Now we can repurpose things if needed. The pads are large enough to handle Saturn V's, so they could be modified for shuttle use, and at present 39A is being modified for Spacex Falcon Rockets, and 39B launchpad is going to be used for SLS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...

    That's the long version with pictures. The tl;dr version is that the early launch pads were rendered useless as the Rocket power grew, and building new pads was happening whaile th eold ones were in use. Even getting the Rocket for the Apollo-Soyuz mission gusseted up required changes The Saturn 5 Rocket was just too much oomph to send a stripped down Apollo to low earth orbit, the pads that were used for the Saturn 5 launchpad were used because the Pads normally used for that Rocket were not operational any longer, so they strapped on a Saturn 1-B with what was called a milkstool. The photo shows the concept.

    http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/ga...

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  11. Re:that's sad by Teancum · · Score: 2

    The problem is that they are sitting in the middle of a wildlife refuge, and doing any demolition would actually cause far more damage to the local environment than simply leaving them in place. This is both in terms of simply hauling the demolition equipment in and trying to "rehabilitate" the land in some fashion after you have cleared away the mess.

    Besides, there is always the possibility that some of those sites could still be reused, and concrete poured in the past for a launch pad is often very useful for subsequent launch site. For instance, the landing pad site at KSC that SpaceX is using to recover the Falcon 9 1st stage components is a former launch site that SpaceX got permission from both NASA and the USAF to clear away the metal on the site and set up the other things (like a radio beacon for the core to find) that needed to be put into the site as well.

    Otherwise, the land is not really all that useful and can't be used for anything other than a place to study wildlife or launch rockets. Certainly no commercial businesses or homes can be built in the area unless it is directly in support of launch vehicles themselves. There is nothing else for it to do other than rot away, which has other very useful value in terms of trying to see what actually stands up to the environment of Florida over time and what doesn't.