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GNOME 3.16 Released

kthreadd writes Version 3.16 of GNOME, the primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux operating systems has been released. Some major new features in this release include a overhauled notification system, an updated design of the calendar drop down and support for overlay scrollbars. Also, the grid view in Files has been improved with bigger thumbnail icons, making the appearance more attractive and the rows easier to read. A video is available which demonstrates the new version.

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  1. Re:What good is it, if nobody adopts it? by jallen02 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So there we have it, the foot bothers you ;)

    Couldn't you have just said, "The foot bothers me?" :)

    Jeremy

  2. Re:agreed (as is Ximian and Red Carpet) by Jagasian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Might I suggest distinguishing between your needs, with desktop environment in one group and package management in another? I suggest choosing Gnome or KDE for the first group and Debian and apt-get for the second group. That way you won't be messing with figuring out dependencies and install/uninstall ordering on your own. *ouch* Not sure what that Red Carpet and Ximian crap is doing for you that Gnome ontop of Debian hasn't been doing for the couple of years.

  3. Re:What good is it, if nobody adopts it? by Skeezix · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ummm, something tells me the GNOME guys would be better off spending their time making the desktop more marketplace-friendly and user-friendly versus adding yet more and more crap no one will ever use into the API.

    People are using the API's. Much of the improvements to Gtk+ and GNOME for version 2 involve making the platform and desktop accessible to more users. This includes better internationalization and rendering of text, accessibility (a major project being headed up by Sun Microsystems). This has been a very important emphasis of this release. Other improvement in the configuration system, component model, etc. allow developers to write more powerful applications quicker. And these are being used.

    Making the GUI easier for first-time Linux users, which was the whole point of GNOME in the first place, wasnt it?

    This has been a major focus of the GNOME Project for GNOME 2 and beyond. Check out the GNOME Usability Project and the GNOME Usability mailing list.

  4. The 'primary' - define and discuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dispite desparate attempts of the linux user base to move to alternatives and avoid wholesale changes to the linux userspace, distribution leadership and paid developers continue their push toward 'unification and control'.

    When gnomish developers develop on macs to produce a desktop centric operating system in the hope of capturing the windows/mac market, where mac users are happy with macs, windows users are happy using windows and all the linux users go anywhere else the question becomes 'who is going to use it?'

  5. Primary desktop environment? by andy16666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux operating systems"

    Well, well, aren't we full of ourselves...

    1. Re:Primary desktop environment? by opus981 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is this finally The Year of the Command Prompt?

  6. Speak Marketing Much? What hubris! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Version 3.16 of GNOME, the primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux operating systems has been released.

    The "primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux"? Really? Does the poster just speak Marketing as your primary tongue, or is this a simply characteristic of the arrogance of a project that has loudly shouted down every rational discussion about the merits of its interface design, the merits of requiring systemd to the exclusion of all else (not really true despite what the gnome developers say: Funtoo Linux, a Gentoo derivative manged by drobbins, has gnome3 ebuilds and straightforward patches that allow gnome3 to work flawlessly with openrc instead), and the merits of embedding splashscreen code into an init system?

    I suspect the latter, given the broader context, but really. Gnome isn't any more the primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux than KDE is, or any number of other desktops. Just because Red Hat's marketing department says so doesn't make it so. In my work at numerous Linux shops (including large banks like Deutsche, and smaller Red Hat shops that will remain nameless to protect the innocent), nearly everywhere a Linux desktop is run the choice has defaulted to KDE, with a small minority of users choosing to run Gnome instead, or other less common desktops (Mate, etc.).

    The sheer hubris of a project claiming to be "the primary desktop environment for GNU/Linux operating systems" in their press release, regurgitated mindlessly by slashdot, boggles the mind.

  7. Gotten better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to hate GNOME 3!
    I tried out 3.14, and I have to say, it has gotten a lot better.

    Also you can install GNOME shell extensions, to get it more in line with the classic GNOME 2.
    Also you need get a new shell theme. But its possibly to get GNOME 3 pretty nice. :)

    1. Re:Gotten better by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, if you replace basically the whole interface, you can make it relatively usable? As opposed to earlier Gnome 3 releases where you couldn't fix the suck?

    2. Re:Gotten better by ckatko · · Score: 4, Funny

      You use version 3.14 on a Pi?

  8. Re:Meh. by morgauxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why bother. Gnome developers have been on the path of removing, not adding functionality since they started version 2. Why would you expect them to accept a patch that adds a good feature?

  9. Re:OSX by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And it was a bad idea when OS X did it, and it's still a bad idea. I hope they can be disabled (this is actually a GTK thing, not a Gnome thing). I can see how this is useful on a very small screen with a finger as the pointer. But not a mouse on a desktop. We've really gone backwards in usability on computer desktops generally in the last 5 years. Perhaps this coincides with the rise of the "user experience" field of thought, rather than focusing on intuitive "user interfaces."

  10. Re:Obligatory Discussions by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, but Gnome 2 was usable. Gnome 3 switched me to Cinnamon.

  11. Re:OSX by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The scrollbars on Gnome are so obnoxious now. You have to mouse over a tiny 2 pixel strip to get them to appear, then super precisely move your mouse to get to the part where you can interact with it, and one pixel off causes it to disappear and make you hunt for the invisible 2 pixel strip again. I'm sure they're great if you're on a tablet and just mashing your thumb in the general vicinity of the scrollbar, but for mouse users they're just outright terrible and enabled by default. If you have a distro like Ubuntu it's fairly hard to enable sane scrollbars again too, you have to know what esoteric package to install to fix the behavior, it's not installed by default.

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  12. Re:Obligatory Discussions by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least on Debian the GVFS has a hard requirement on systemd.

    R U Sure?

    $ apt-cache show gvfs | grep Depends
    Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.43.2), libudev1 (>= 183), gvfs-daemons (>= 1.23.92-1), gvfs-daemons (<< 1.23.92-1.1~), gvfs-libs (= 1.23.92-1), gvfs-common (= 1.23.92-1)

    Nope, no depenancy on systemd.

    I get tired of saying this, but it's true. The only Debian package that depends on systemd is gummiboot.

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  13. Well, GNOME is the GNU project's primary desktop by ciaran2014 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The GNU project has two desktop environments: GNUstep and GNOME. Of the two, GNOME is the primary one.

    For the history: in the late 90s, the KDE desktop was getting popular but it required people to install non-free Qt libraries. Two GNU projects were launched to counter this problem. One was Harmony, which aimed to be a Qt replacement, to allow KDE be run without installing non-free software. The other was GNOME.

    Years later, when GNOME was successful, the Qt libraries were released as free software.

    There was a third GNU project which aimed to make a graphical desktop, but they decided to first focus on a Scheme scripting engine. This effort produced GNU Guile, but no graphical desktop got made.

    I think there was even a fourth project, but I can't think of it right now.

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  14. Re:Obligatory Discussions by ralphsiegler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My problem is having anything written by a bunch of hacks who don't understand proper engineering principles, unix philosphy, and systems administration. They are dangerous, their code is dangerous. Already in my testing all manner of issues and problems and lack of ability to troubleshoot has been discovered with that bloated pile of rubbish that is systemd. I've decades of experience in systems admin, systems programming; from various mainframe and supercomputer OS to OS/2 and Unix and VMS. Systemd is by far the worst of the lot for a boot and daemon management system.