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Facebook Successfully Tests Laser Internet Drones

rtoz writes: At its F8 conference in San Francisco, Facebook announced the first hardware it plans to use to beam the Internet down to billions of people around the world. Codenamed "Aquila," the solar-powered drone has a wingspan comparable to a Boeing 737, but weighs less than a small car. It will be powered by solar panels on its wings, and it will be able to stay at altitudes of more than 60,000 feet for months at a time. Facebook says it'll begin test flights this summer, with a broader rollout over the next several years. The drones were tested over the UK recently, and everything worked as expected.

59 comments

  1. Fuck this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Yay! A more direct way to feed Facebook's data mining operation. Sign me up!

    - A. Retard

    1. Re: Fuck this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      No worries. You probably can't get a signal deep inside your parents basement anyway, neckbeard.

    2. Re:Fuck this! by kheldan · · Score: 1

      More like 'Enjoy high speed Internet access for free! Just sign in using your Facebook account!'.

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  2. uh huh by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "internet". yeah right. You're not fooling anybody Zuckerberg.

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    1. Re:uh huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not trying to fool anybody; he clearly believes Facebook is all anyone should ever need.

      The thing I don't understand is that you can't sell products to people who need this sort of internet service. What useful data do dirt-poor people give?

    2. Re:uh huh by umghhh · · Score: 2

      Till we have effective replacement organs growing technology we still could use some replacement organs grown naturally. Besides especially poor people are of interest to security agencies and as state run operations are usually not very efficient one can outsource that spying and localizing to private sector, it is win-win.

    3. Re:uh huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will eventually. It's a facebook happy-meal.

    4. Re:uh huh by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      because purveyors of consumer goods are known for having rapacious appetites for continual growth. And as the markets of the developed world get saturated with $product, they need ways to figure out how to target the developing world.

  3. too much crap by eedwardsjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So I assume we can expect this airspace to become cluttered like LEO satellite space? The only exception is when these crash, they come down when I high risk of killing people.

    1. Re:too much crap by rot26 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on now. It won't be any worse than being struck by a small car at terminal velocity.

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    2. Re:too much crap by eedwardsjr · · Score: 1

      Hmmp. Guess that brain needs more caffeine. *With a high risk of killing people.

    3. Re:too much crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, is only old school gravity acceleration minus friction. Peanuts compared to to orbital speeds (think splash radius vs crater radius)

    4. Re:too much crap by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      African or European?

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  4. Creepy ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I gotta say, a private corporation like Facebook, flying solar powered communications drones using lasers ... that's more than a little creepy.

    Welcome to the dystopian future, kiddies.

    Shit's all down hill from here.

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  5. This says to me.... by Bonzoli · · Score: 2

    Please boost my stock, we are out of useful ideas.......

    Do you think anyone that needs the internet beamed to them in this crap will be a useful paying customer? The cost of a laden swallow, gripping it by the husk, vs energy costs, repair, maintenance, and insurance will certainly make this in the end, what it appears to be now.

    1. Re:This says to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear there is a guy who bought a house in WA that is just waiting for Facebook or Musk or Google or some one to beam him internet from the sky! (not that he'd pay for it, he'd rather sell the house and blame Comcast, hoping to shame them into providing him a service that he'd then likely complain about.)

    2. Re:This says to me.... by itzly · · Score: 1

      The cost of a laden swallow, gripping it by the husk

      Maybe two swallows could do it ?

    3. Re:This says to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe two swallows could do it ?

      I suppose it's possible. Your mother did it in three.

    4. Re:This says to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you think anyone that needs the internet beamed to them in this crap will be a useful paying customer?

      The people receiving internet access (which will be free access to Facebook, and their partners, with optional pay service to access anything else -just like the free access wikipedia provides in some areas of the world) are not the customer -they are the product. Captive eyeballs for advertising, with full tracking of their usage and interests sold to marketers everywhere.

  6. Great alternative to rural areas by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mod me down into oblivion if you must, but not everyone lives in Seoul, Tokyo, Stockholm, or NYC with insanely fast fiber optics.

    This is going to be great for people in rural areas, developing countries, and others who otherwise would remain hostages to the poor reliability and high latency of radio and satellite internet.

    1. Re:Great alternative to rural areas by retroworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, they should mod you up. It is easy to write snarky and cynical comments... they can generate them without having to RTFA. Obviously Facebook makes its money on eyeballs / participants. Why can't this just be a win-win? By expanding access to higher speed internet, Facebook increases its potential market. What's the difference between that and increasing distribution of any product a segment of the marketplace needs?

      The USA Highway system was built in part by the distribution needs of corporations. But we are all free to drive our cars and motorcycles on it. Should we not have built the roads because a corporation was going to profit from it? It's called "development".

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    2. Re:Great alternative to rural areas by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      The USA Highway system was built in part by the distribution needs of corporations. But we are all free to drive our cars and motorcycles on it. Should we not have built the roads because a corporation was going to profit from it? It's called "development".

      The highway system in the United States was built by the government for use by anyone, whether they're commercial entities or individuals. While companies may have gotten more direct benefit than individuals, all companies benefited, and individuals got the indirect benefits from all companies.

      Will Facebook's drones be providing connections to the Internet, or just connections to Facebook?

    3. Re:Great alternative to rural areas by jaxn · · Score: 2

      I catch your drift, but actually fiber to residents in NYC is not easy to come by. The surrounding areas are a different story (Long Island, Westchester, etc).

      Verizon left the city for last, in their deal with the State of NY, which allowed tthem to circumvent all local laws/ordinances, for competition and right of way, so they could cheaply, quickly build out their high speed fiber optic network (for FIOS service). When they covered all the areas they wanted, it left little time for NYC, which was likely their intention all along, as it's not like you can just burry more fiber in the city. It requires an immense amount of planning and deals to link up your own city wide network, particularly for residential and business service.

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  7. April Fools by Kinthelt · · Score: 1

    April Fools is still five days away.

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  8. Dr Evil Zuckeberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    frickin laser drones.

  9. Gross malinvestment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gross malinvestment by management for a stock whose price is held up by sentiment. You hold Facebook stock at your peril. How many of these guys will build a decent website and then think their true calling is aerospace?

  10. What are these people smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we build a light aircraft that is as big as a jet liner but weighs less then a car. We plan to broadcast internet through a laser system which nobody points out how that works? Plus we expect these aircraft to stay in the air for up to 3 months on solar power alone? Enduring all kinds of weather, other air craft and probably countless drones flying around too. Of course nobody has even bothered to figure in the liability and risk factors of such a large craft interfering with other air traffic, crashing into populated areas or the added costs of other infrastructure to support such a project and support system. This sounds like a system far too complicated for its own good. I guess engineers prefer to seek out the hardest solution these days because its more exciting. Its like the old saying how many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Hundreds! because you have to design a robot, software and create a robotics program to reverse screw a bulb while holding it with precise pressure so as to not break the bulb. Then screw in a new bulb with the same focus on torque, pressure and tension on bulb.
    Yea, its scary how over engineered life is today.

  11. Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do they plan to get through clouds?

  12. temper your expectations, Uganda. by nimbius · · Score: 2, Informative

    to beam the Internet down

    *The internet in accordance with local and national regulations pertaining to censorship and surveillance.

    to billions of people around the world.

    Some restrictions apply, billions of people will be considered based on race, gender, social position and annual income as potential revenue factors when subscribing or continuing to use the product. underfunded schools and desolate post-capitalist urban areas wracked by systemic unemployment and without adequate starbucks will be avoided. Remember: you are the product, the drone is merely another way to deliver that product to consumer affiliate corporations.

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    1. Re:temper your expectations, Uganda. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      billions of people will be considered based on race, gender, social position and annual income as potential revenue factors when subscribing or continuing to use the product

      No they won't. Facebook wants to say X% of the world is on Facebook. This is to boost marketshare, not money.

      The argument to the stock market is then, X/2% led to a market cap of Y. X% should lead to a market cap of 2Y.

      It's just the way motivations are aligned when "users" and "active users" are metrics given real importance.

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    2. Re:temper your expectations, Uganda. by jaxn · · Score: 2

      I envision advertising in browser, kind of like NetZero dialup in the day except this will be achieved through DNS hijacking and http injection. Now they can target their ads to users no matter what they're doing on the web, whether they are paying for ad space on a site or not.

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  13. Issue by HBI · · Score: 1

    What if I don't want an unmanned fixed wing aircraft loitering over my head for months, just waiting to have a catastrophic mechanical failure and kill me randomly?

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    1. Re:Issue by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'd be more concerned about a catastrophic software failure. Modern drone autopilots have fairly astounding limp home ability, you ought to be able to crash them in predefined locations fairly reliably. Unless, of course, something goes batshit with the electronics and/or software...

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    2. Re:Issue by HBI · · Score: 1

      I feel like an airship would be a lot more effective and safe for this purpose. Why doesn't anyone talk about that? Why always fixed wing drone technology?

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    3. Re:Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      18km. Can the MANPADs thar are lying around in Africa be retrofitted to reach these heights ? If so, you have your answer: become the revolution.

    4. Re:Issue by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I feel like an airship would be a lot more effective and safe for this purpose. Why doesn't anyone talk about that? Why always fixed wing drone technology?

      Why, indeed?

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    5. Re:Issue by itzly · · Score: 1

      Airships are harder to control in the wind.

    6. Re:Issue by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I feel like an airship would be a lot more effective and safe for this purpose. Why doesn't anyone talk about that?

      Unless the guy in charge of the project is named Cid, I don't see how it could ever work.

    7. Re:Issue by frisket · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that these things don't fly at the speed of a jetliner -- they barely limp along, and they don't fly very high, either. It won't be long before people in areas where guns are freely available will be using the drones for target practice.

  14. facebook or comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/03/27/1225228/broadband-isp-betrayal-forces-homeowner-to-sell-new-house
    These drones will be the only way this guy will get broadband at his new house.

  15. And the municpal license fees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the lobbying ensure that faraday cages are built around one ISP cities?

  16. Troll prevention? by Pascoea · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Laser Internet Drones" Am I the only one that read this as a really good way to prevent trolls on Facebook?

  17. I don't understand it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand why such a creepy person like Zuckerberg is given this much money by investors. Why is this system so much better then the ancien regime when who had the money was decided by who your parents were? It is because smart people who through hard and smart work build a profitable business that makes the society better. But in the case of Facebook, what is the thing that makes Facebook profitable? What is the positive impact on the society? Why do they get all this money? It's not only Facebook, there are many, many businesses like this who are over-valuated. We already had the tech bubble some 15 years ago. It can't be that investor forgot about this bubble?
     
      But why is Facebook not a bubble? Why do investors trust this company as an investor in long term projects like this 'bring internet to the poor' plan?

    In my 'alu hat on'-mode I would say that American political elite and their accomplices, the elite of the financial sector, saw that social media was something that would not go away, and a source of valuable private information and a system for mind control. If social media was really that promising like foreseen, it had to be in American hands, and why not this website of this moldable college drop out? Just use your connection to advertise the site world wide through the Reuters News agency. Do you remember how FaceBook peacefully 'spread democracy' in the Arabic world a few years ago? There wasn't one news journal that didn't have special bulletin about FaceBook at that time. It was the death knell for all competing social media around the world.

    When I had a popular website that had a lot of personal information, I would not even think about sharing it with third parties, especially not big insurance or financial companies, and not the government. But when I'm offered many billions????

    About the bubble, there are also opportunities when a bubble bursts. Just profit as long as it is inflated, but just gamble on it's burst with the profits you make from it. The really big investors know how to handle this kind of bubble, they also have the power the gently guide the market to let the bubble burst... meanwhile the bubble keeps on getting inflated by these kind of 'too good to be true' inventions.

    Internet and social media has brought terrorism and instability over the Arabic world, a civilized society with smart people, a huge potential of technological progress with all the universities around the Arabic world - the oldest in the world - , but a problem with fanatical religious leaders and rebels who use the social media and internet to preach their views on religions (called hate preaches by terrorist in the West, but are just expressions of freedom of religion and free speech imo).

    What would you think that this free flow of information will bring to the developing world that don't even have a civilized religious system?
     
      This is even a threat to the stability of China one of the oldest continuous high level societies of the world, hence why they require the Great Firewall. Not for every region or culture free flow of information is the 'good' thing. Many times free flow of information will destabilize the existing socio-economic situation, and that's not always the good thing to do.

    Even in the West we need to hide a lot of information. But here it is done through corporate firewalls or using the propaganda machine to make some information unethical and career breaking when discussed in public. I have seen examples of professors who got silenced because they found inconsistencies in the history how it is know and thought today. Inconsistencies that potentially have a high impact on the religions of the West and Middle East and the cultural identity of the people. Just imagine if everyone was free to say what they want, if all the secret deals between corporations and or governments were out there available for public eyes? Even our freedom loving, free speech loving society doesn't want to go there.

    A western controlled free internet in impoverished third world countries don't have the tools to hide the information to keep the internal peace, so it will most certainly lead to years of instability in these countries.

    1. Re:I don't understand it by robsku · · Score: 1

      Started out quite sensibly, then went totally bananas beginning from the China thingy... I mean, how many Chinese care (or even know) how wealthy their nation is? The only ones, outside the rich minority and ruling class (the "communist" party, the rich and western corporations), who care about keeping the Chinese socio-economical system as it is are greedy multinational corporations and extreme-capitalistic countries like USA.

      The average Chinese, if they were given free access to information couldn't care less - for them the system needs to change. Oh, but that would make things more expensive for us wealthy westerners. Too fscking bad.

      ...and then we blame internet for terrorism....

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    2. Re:I don't understand it by frisket · · Score: 1

      tl;dr

  18. Business Model? by asylumx · · Score: 2

    I have not clue how this relates to their business model, but more power to them anyway. I hope society learns a lot from experiments like this -- will its solar panels really supply enough power? At 60k feet they can cover a humungous land area, which potentially means millions of customers. I can't imagine the power consumption of laser communication between this unit and all of the potential customers. Can this really cover an area that big or is it just flying that high to stay out of flight levels of commercial aircraft?

    So many questions that this experiment might be able to answer.

    1. Re:Business Model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have not clue how this relates to their business model

      I will take a guess about that.. they want to tap into 3rd world markets, it is a race to be the dominant player.
      By giving interweb tubes to the whole planet, they can increase market value of their own business.
      The third world is a extremely large untapped market.

    2. Re:Business Model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how the hell are they going to communicate with the drones?

      by blinking their eyes and shaking tree branches?

  19. Will there be a big warning banner? by dfn5 · · Score: 2

    Do not look at Internet with remaining good eye.

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  20. Making Swiss Cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you think a phase-conjugate tracking system is for?

  21. Facebook pokes ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... are back. And now you can't ignore them.

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  22. The Cloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look ma! The Internet is really in the cloud!

  23. But where are the Sharks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Fricking LASERS?

  24. TANSTAAFL by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    This is going to be great for people in rural areas, developing countries, and others who otherwise would remain hostages to the poor reliability and high latency of radio and satellite internet.

    Zuckbook will never give us great unwashed unfettered Internet access, but only a one way trip into the bidding paddock for advertisers to assess us - the product - a monetary value.

    And to think FB will not be vending everyone out to all the state security organs of the world for 30 Ag is utter cluelessness.

  25. Facebook-provided net? No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure it'll all be extra-logged, extra-data-mined. It's bad enough FB puts their stupid icons on third-party sites everywhere.. if they are actually -providing- internet access, they'll be able to scrape everything. Eeeeeccch.

  26. SEO by masudparvez50 · · Score: 1

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  27. Less cancer than Google radio balloons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for the sake of argument.

    Either way, both companies are in cahoots with Major League Baseball. They're watching us.

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