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Ikea Refugee Shelter Entering Production

jones_supa writes: Ikea's line of flatpack refugee shelters are going into production, the Swedish furniture maker announced this week. The lightweight Better Shelter was developed under a partnership between the Ikea Foundation and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), and beta tested among refugee families in Ethiopia, Iraq, and Lebanon. Each unit takes about four hours to assemble and is designed to last for three years — far longer than conventional refugee shelters, which typically last about six months. The product is an important tool in the prolonged refugee crisis that has unfolded across the Middle East. The war in Syria has spurred nearly 4 million people to leave their homes. The UNHCR has agreed to buy 10,000 of the shelters, and will begin providing them to refugee families this summer.

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  1. Part of a more insidious plan... by hilather · · Score: 4, Funny

    To sell Allen keys at premium at refugee sites.

    1. Re:Part of a more insidious plan... by stud9920 · · Score: 1

      Ikea has been phasing out hex screws.

  2. Well what do you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From time to time IKEA actually has to do something to earn that tax-free charity status.

    1. Re:Well what do you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the holding company is not-for-profit while the main store is? The main store actually pays taxes?

    2. Re:Well what do you know by burne · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

      Ikea's world headquarters are (legally) on top of a smaller Ikea store somewhere in Delft, the Netherlands.

      http://franchisor.inter-ikea.c... (down at the bottom..)

    3. Re:Well what do you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as shady as you make it sound. Ikea Delft isn't small by Dutch standards, there's an entire wing with new products being market-tested, and the hotel next door was built especially with Ikea in mind.

      Source: I live in Delft, also about half a dozen local politicians that I knew.

      As Dutch business taxes go, note that we have 21% sales tax. This is more robust than taxing profits, because sales are facts and profit is an opinion.

    4. Re:Well what do you know by burne · · Score: 1

      The point about the Dutch Sandwich is that an amazing array of companies and artist manage to export their earnings to a tax haven with almost any taxation at all.

      Rumours has it that U2's 2011 world tour had a turnover of 750 million dollar and a profit of 150 million dollar, which shipped to Bermuda taxed at 0.25%. Thanks to a special deal with one Gerrit Zalm.

      Sales tax eats away at the income of the record shop, the wholesale supplier and the CD factory. But the income of the record company and the (BIG) artist goes almost completely untaxed. Likewise, a big party of your Billy's price is intellectual property licensing ending up in other tax havens.

      With regards to Ikea: The Delft store, sized 30.000m^2, shares it next to bottom-place with equal sized stores in Hengelo and Zwolle. Only the store in Amersfoort is smaller, with 29.000m^2. The nine other Dutch stores are larger. The store in Utrecht seems to be the fourth largest in the world.

  3. JoCo...calling the future by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Ikea: just some oak and some pine and a handful of Norsemen
    Ikea: selling furniture for college kids and divorced men
    Everyone has a home
    But if you don't have a home you can buy one there

    I can now wait for the day that some idiot shows up at my office asking me to certify/upgrade their Ikea shelter the bought on CraigsList for use as a permanent dwelling.

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    1. Re:JoCo...calling the future by AqD · · Score: 1

      Selling coffins would be more appropriate.

  4. Designed to last three years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plus another year and a half lying in the shipping crate, waiting to be assembled.

  5. Ikea by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

    By summer, they may have been able to finish assembling half a dozen of those 10,000 shelters.

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    1. Re:Ikea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do Yanks really have such problems with simple assembly instructions?

    2. Re:Ikea by Kohath · · Score: 2

      No. It's just complaining. No one buys furniture because they enjoy easy 3D puzzles. Assembly is an annoying extra hill to climb.

    3. Re:Ikea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do Yanks really have such problems with simple assembly instructions?

      Simple? Did you go to the article and see a picture of the inside of one of those shelters?

      Pro Tip: DON'T LOSE THE INSTRUCTIONS.

    4. Re:Ikea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.
      That is why we buy our Tool Sheds with assembly included.

    5. Re:Ikea by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Do Yanks really have such problems with simple assembly instructions?

      I'm to assume that Ikea instructions make more sense in another language?

      I've always wondered about that.

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    6. Re:Ikea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm to assume that Ikea instructions make more sense in another language?

      I've always wondered about that.

      That'd be a neat trick, given that I can't recall any IKEA instruction actually containing textual instructions...

    7. Re:Ikea by E-Rock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, putting IKEA stuff together is fun. I've never understood that complaint, and I'd guess that many of the people repeating the meme have never bought anything from IKEA.

    8. Re:Ikea by Tom · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a meme, but also a lie. As IT people especially, we can take a big hint from IKEA in this regards. Their documentation is short, mostly visual, always step-by-step and gives the user exactly the information he needs, with none of the unimportant blabla that many blow up many other documentations from the necessary 3 pages to the actual 30.

      If the instructions for Windows were made by IKEA, thousands of IT support people would be out of jobs because users could actually do simple tasks by themselves.

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    9. Re:Ikea by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      A good manual saves 80% of helpdesk time. A really good manual saves 90%.
      Ikea manuals are really good. They even allow their products to be less logical in construction, resulting in lower production cost and lower transport cost on top of the lower helpdesk cost. The manual is a one time investment, the others are continuous.
      As with all things, this is a balance. Making a good manual costs time and money. I wouldn't be surprised if each IKEA product is assembled according to the manual a few dozen times before it lands in the warehouses, in addition to the time spend on writing, drawing and revising the manual. Ikea can recoup that cost as savings amortized over many many products, but not all products have such a large userbase that the invested time and money will be returned.

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    10. Re:Ikea by grnbrg · · Score: 1

      A good manual saves 80% of helpdesk time. A really good manual saves 90%.

      Ikea manuals are really good. They even allow their products to be less logical in construction, resulting in lower production cost and lower transport cost on top of the lower helpdesk cost. The manual is a one time investment, the others are continuous.

      The problem is that very few people read manuals, and the sort of IT-ish people who read /. are among that few. Software (And software meant for end users, like Windows and Office...) used to come with manuals that ran to hundreds of pages, and documented every feature. Most of them never left their shrink wrap.

    11. Re:Ikea by mjwx · · Score: 1

      No, putting IKEA stuff together is fun. I've never understood that complaint, and I'd guess that many of the people repeating the meme have never bought anything from IKEA.

      Tis a fine barn Enligh, but sure tis no desk.

      As someone who enjoys a bit of construction every now and then, my main complaint with IKEA is that its incredibly easy to get things wrong if you dont meticulously study the instructions. So you can put a panel in backwards or upside down in step 4 and get to step 12 and realise that you did it wrong. So you need disassemble half the bed to right that one panel.

      Most people aren't that anal about instructions and the instructions are fairly ambiguous as you've got to figure everything out from pictures and arrows.

      And yes, most of my furniture was flat packed (some from IKEA, others not), I have a mixture of frugality and a Clarkson-esqe attitude of "how hard can it be".

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    12. Re:Ikea by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If the instructions for Windows were made by IKEA, thousands of IT support people would be out of jobs because users could actually do simple tasks by themselves.

      If Microsoft wrote Windows manuals like IKEA manuals, tech support would spend most of its time fixing monitors that were installed upside down.

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  6. Finally by Kohath · · Score: 1

    It's about time the people displaced by Ikea's relentless territorial expansion found shelter.

  7. Ikea good points by Livius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ikea is not the best corporate citizen, nor do they have the best quality or the best prices.

    But their stuff is clever. I like clever. Why can't other manufacturers think ahead and from the customer's perspective like that?

    1. Re:Ikea good points by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't need to have the best quality or be the cheapest, even from a customer perspective. As long as you offer the best value for money. Ikea does pretty good there as long as you know what to buy there and what to avoid. And don;t forget to put a price on convenience: instead of waiting 4-8 weeks for your new stuff, you get to take it home and use it right away (some assembly required). That's very useful... we use Ikea all the time in rental properties that need to be furnished on short notice.

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    2. Re:Ikea good points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've furnished 80-90% of my room with IKEA stuff. The prices at other big box stores usually aren't better (usually more expensive for basic stuff). I've got complaints about IKEA stuff, but it's not like anyone else's stuff will be better (at my price range). A book shelf doesn't need to cost $300.

      There are exceptions. I could get a very basic metal bed frame cheaper at Walmart than most IKEA offerings. I'd have to order online for curtains that better match my window sizes (no brick and mortar store seems to focus on them for some bizarre reason).

      I probably wouldn't go to IKEA for their more expensive offerings (when you've got more money to spend, your options increase dramatically). A $1000 couch from IKEA probably isn't better than anyone else's.

    3. Re:Ikea good points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't other manufacturers think ahead and from the customer's perspective like that? Well maybe some of them
      would like to focus on what's causing the refugee problem in the first place.
      Not to pan on this effort at all; kudos to IKEA foe repurposing the items

    4. Re:Ikea good points by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't need to have the best quality or be the cheapest, even from a customer perspective. As long as you offer the best value for money. Ikea does pretty good there as long as you know what to buy there and what to avoid.

      Exactly. Though, I've done other flat packs and by far Ikea is the best. Their furniture might not be the cheapest, last the longest or be the best, but if you're talking flat pack, they are. And yeah, you could get better, but they're usually something that's pre-built and you have to move it as-is. At least flat pack you can break down into sub assemblies that are 100 times easier to move.

      And it's incredible - the non-Ikea flatpacks I had were just awful - the holes would NEVER align, they were usually the wrong size for the dowels (too big or small) and when you're done it either was wobbly (see holes), or the entire panel was misaligned and thus you had gaps. It's as if they laid it out in a computer and never bothered trying to assemble it. Or even just seeing if comes close to resembling what it was supposed to be.

      It's not like Ikea uses better materials - they pioneered the use of particle board, but that desk... it fell apart in short order. I've got Ikea stuff bought at the same time that's still around made from particle board.

      No, putting IKEA stuff together is fun. I've never understood that complaint, and I'd guess that many of the people repeating the meme have never bought anything from IKEA.

      I've usually enjoyed it - it's a good puzzle. And you have to admit that the instructions are designed to not use words (which have to be translated) and try to be as neutral as possible while still explaining what to do in across cultures, languages and history. Whoever draws those instructions might actually have insights into the human race.

      About the only time I don't like them is when they don't clearly illustrate which way a piece goes around. For the spatially challenged, this can mean they put it all together only to have the wood exposed instead of veneer.

      You'd think maybe a red X on the part that's going to end up in a hidden location, followed through with the illustrated X would help identifying which way it goes.

    5. Re:Ikea good points by Tom · · Score: 1

      And don;t forget to put a price on convenience: instead of waiting 4-8 weeks for your new stuff, you get to take it home and use it right away

      This.

      When my girlfriend moved in, we needed some new furniture. The huge wardrobe took three weeks to be delivered, and then one more week to exchange an (important) part that was broken in transport.

      We both dislike IKEA a lot, but we went there to buy some dressers. Half of what they have on offer is trash and the other half ugly, but we went home with two pieces of the one dresser that's not a shame to have in your bedroom. Because we didn't want to have her clothes in luggage and bags waiting for furniture to be delivered. It's not the 16th century anymore where people had to go into the forest to chop down trees every time they wanted to have a table.

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    6. Re:Ikea good points by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      on the topic of cleverness; my recently assembled Ikea Pax drawers have plastic nails in them. i'm glad my other furniture's manufacturer isn't that clever.

      while i was assembling those drawers, i had a 10 minute sitting down WTF moment, contemplating returning the whole shebang. then the wife came and made me finish it. :-(

    7. Re:Ikea good points by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I got nothing but good things to say about the furniture I've bought from Ikea. I never buy anything costing more than 40 euros from there though - but you can deck out an apartment with that per item limit..

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    8. Re:Ikea good points by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Last IKEA cabinets I build had "L" and "R" printed in hidden places to solve a similar problem.

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  8. Long lasting by taylorius · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Designed to last for 3 years". Impressive, that's about a year longer than their normal furniture.

    1. Re:Long lasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe some of them. I have a Billy at home that is 40 years old and it does not even need a fresh coat of paint.

    2. Re:Long lasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all designed for European and Asian body-weights. Put that stuff to regular wear in the U.S and it's gonna buckle under the weight quicker, that's just how it is. But I agree they could put some more thought into the products they sell over in the U.S.

    3. Re:Long lasting by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's all designed for European and Asian body-weights. Put that stuff to regular wear in the U.S and it's gonna buckle under the weight quicker, that's just how it is. But I agree they could put some more thought into the products they sell over in the U.S.

      I am unaware of the UNHCR dealing with American refuges. I'm sometimes a little out of the loop but I thought I would have heard of that by now. Is it that bad in Texas these days?

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    4. Re:Long lasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it that bad in Texas these days?

      It is Texas...

    5. Re:Long lasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all designed for European and Asian body-weights. Put that stuff to regular wear in the U.S and it's gonna buckle under the weight quicker, that's just how it is. But I agree they could put some more thought into the products they sell over in the U.S.

      I am unaware of the UNHCR dealing with American refuges. I'm sometimes a little out of the loop but I thought I would have heard of that by now. Is it that bad in Texas these days?

      Give us a little time, eventually Vietnam and Cuba will be offering us aid...

    6. Re:Long lasting by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      It's all designed for European and Asian body-weights. Put that stuff to regular wear in the U.S and it's gonna buckle under the weight quicker, that's just how it is. But I agree they could put some more thought into the products they sell over in the U.S.

      I am unaware of the UNHCR dealing with American refuges. I'm sometimes a little out of the loop but I thought I would have heard of that by now. Is it that bad in Texas these days?

      American refugees = Homeless. As for it being bad in Texas, I think you confused them for California. They have the debt, never ending drought and illegal immigration. All Texas has is illegal immigration and the occasional idiot embarrassing him during SXSW and dragging Austin in as well.

    7. Re:Long lasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing in IKEA is sold with under 5 years warranty. 10-15 are more common, while some have 25 years warranty.

  9. Buy it at Ikea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would probably be sellable at an Ikea as well, to decrease costs through commercial sales

    I could see this as camping gear, DIY flatpack cabin, DIY garden guesthouse, flatpack survivalist supplies

    I wonder how it holds up under snow and monsoon, since places needing such shelters can have snowy winters (Japan Fukushima) or hurricanes (Haiti) and monsoons (Burma)

  10. Looks like a hard plastic death trap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would stick with an all canvas tent, breathable, mendable, durable, adaptable (any shape I need it to be), foldable into a very small package.

    This looks like one missing part and the whole thing wont work...just like their furniture.

  11. Looks like a shipping container, with a roof by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Did they just make an easy to assemble shipping container?

    1. Re:Looks like a shipping container, with a roof by Rob+Bos · · Score: 1

      Shipping containers are already shipped flatpack and assembled as needed.

    2. Re:Looks like a shipping container, with a roof by jiriw · · Score: 1

      Well ... it should weigh less than 100 KG (200 pounds?)... I don't know of any shipping containers that light. The smallest 'common' shipping container according to the wikipedia website (20') weighs at least 22 times as much. And it should handle heat/cold a lot better than a big metal box.

      To me it rather looks like other 'usual' temporary housing things. Those white houses they set up at big outdoor events. The only one that comes into mind close where I live, where I've seen them and an event with (quite) some international renown are the yearly 4-day marches (in Nijmegen, the Netherlands). They have a number of those houses (a big one and some smaller ones) at the start/finish site, for example where medical personnel can treat people with feet problems caused by the long walk. Only, those are not insulated at all... just made out of white plastic segments and a sheet roof.

  12. Tent Cities by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    It would probably be sellable at an Ikea as well, to decrease costs through commercial sales

    I could see this as camping gear, DIY flatpack cabin, DIY garden guesthouse, flatpack survivalist supplies

    I wonder how it holds up under snow and monsoon, since places needing such shelters can have snowy winters (Japan Fukushima) or hurricanes (Haiti) and monsoons (Burma)

    There might actually be a real demand. A lot of places in the US have homeless "tent cities" where local homeless populations live, and there is definitely an effort to work to improve their lot.

    1. Re:Tent Cities by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      A lot of places in the US have homeless "tent cities" where local homeless populations live

      Perfect, for the next "Occupy" demo crowd.

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    2. Re:Tent Cities by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Depends on the price and how easy it is to modify. There's a (small) mobile shelter and enclosure market mainly for military and disaster relief already, and there's pre-fabricated buildings and sheds you can buy that go on concrete pads. The question is how much would this cost relative to those for the given mission. My guess is that housing displaced people for a long time is sufficiently different from what we tend to need in the US that the design choices made in these units make them less than the ideal choice for other applications given the other available options.

    3. Re:Tent Cities by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      A lot of places in the US have homeless "tent cities" where local homeless populations live

      These are almost all squatters on someone else's property, or on public land where overnight sleeping is not officially allowed. There would be strong objections to making these camps permanent. There are also practical reasons why it is a bad idea. Most homeless people are homeless for a reason. They have mental disorders, substance abuse problems, criminal records, etc. Concentrating them in one place, with policies that will attract even more to the same area, is going to cause a lot of problems. It is much better to use rent vouchers or income credits to disperse the homeless into stable communities where there is structure and support for them to turn their life around.

  13. JS.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could someone directly link to an image of those shelters? I don't feel like allowing 10+ 3rd party javascripts

    1. Re:JS.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just search for "Ikea shelter" with your favorite image searcher.

  14. NIMBY would stop that idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't happen, nobody wants it in their backyard and the people you're talking about wouldn't want to live in a refuge camp-like setting.

  15. Ikea Refugee Smelter Entering Production by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I read it wrong. I didn't know Ikea was into the smelter business, so I had to re-read. One little letter wrong ....

  16. embarrassing but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hate to promote them, as I love second hand shops and hate anything new or fashionable. But I am tall and they are the only place I could get a desk with adjustable height. Why doesn't everybody offer that???

    1. Re:embarrassing but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adjustable height desks rule. I hate keyboard trays, so I've got my Ikea desk as low as it will go.

    2. Re:embarrassing but true by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Adjustable height desks rule.

      Absolutely. I bought one about a year ago, and now spend 30-50% of my work day standing. My back and shoulders have been thanking me ever since.

      Alas, IKEA had none in stock at the time, and due to issues with their supplier, weren't going to get in any more until August. So I had to go to one of those trendy office furniture shops that seem infest Stockholm like gnats around a bowl of fruit, and pay about 40% more for it. OTOH, it came with a 3-year warranty, it *works*, and I might even be able to deduct some of it from my taxes this year.

      If you work at a desk, GET ONE.

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  17. Wow, didn't know that... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    And it seems that they don't actually need to do anything like that. The registered purpose of the charity is "innovation in the field of architectural and interior design", so I guess just coming with a new sofa design every year they should be covered...

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  18. Mother-in-law housing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your mother in law comes visit, you could assemble it in your backyard...

  19. 48 Better Shelters fit in a 40â(TM) HQ contai by denzacar · · Score: 2

    More from TFS:

    Logistically friendly and easy to build

    Better Shelter will arrive in two cardboard boxes which are packed in subsequent building order.
    The two boxes can be individually lifted by four people and contain an assembly instruction image manual, which lets you assemble the shelter, together with three other people in 4-8 hours.
    Better Shelter is built in three sub-sequential steps:

            Foundation
            Roof with ventilation and solar panel
            Walls with windows and door

    Better Shelter is optimized to meet the high volume production condiÂtions and flat pack logistic demands required to be cost efficient.

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  20. broken idea from the start by rewindustry · · Score: 1

    if you make the frame from wood, you lock up carbon. steel is a total waste of resources, also conducts lightning through the frame of the building.

    plastic is the worst possible choice for the panels, almost anything else is better, as long as it is reasonably fireproof.

    sometimes long life is a bad thing - plastic is damned hard to keep clean, and harbours disease - it would be far better if the panels were made of something local, cheap and recycleable, that needed to be replaced at least yearly.

    with a little bit of careful thought, just about any country could produce it's own emergency shelter system out of local resources.

    funny how the western world becomes less and less competent at anything, the fatter and more ikea it gets.

    these people should give up saving the planet, and learn how to feed their own children properly, they are becoming as dumb as the cows that seem to be the only thing they eat.

  21. Missing some big opportunities here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This project is all fine for the purpose of housing refugees, but much more could be done with it.

    1. At a projected $1K(US) cost, many people would be willing to donate a unit for a refugee family, and get a Schedule A deduction. A little publicity is all that would take.

    2. IKEA could sell units in its stores, with more First-World accessories, at a price that would generate another unit for refugees (OLPC model). First-Worlders could use them as vacation domiciles on available property. Better than a tent, but still movable and reusable.

    3. I could see an enthusiastic community of people trading tips and tricks about raising off-ground, increasing the PV energy capacity, etc.

    4. In the US, homeless now in tent cities could have a little step up in shelter in return for going to whatever services are needed to get them back on their feet.

    And a question: What limits their durability to 3 years?

  22. Workshop / Garage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Looks like it might make a nice temporary workshop or temporary garage structure as well.

    (Not a daily use garage, but the type of thing you could use for longer term storage / project cars, or even assemble/disassemble around a car if you had to.)

    Hopefully they make these available for purchase by the general public!

  23. low employee pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now the IKEA employees can afford someplace to live, they'll be buying these shelters.

  24. Was this designed in Scandinavia? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    And tested in the Winter? Those windows are mighty small, I'll bet that thing is like an oven at night in most of the locations it might be used.

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  25. Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. trying to put that thing together! Attach section 1123 to section 453 using parts 345 and 598... nuts to that!

  26. Why the IKEA hate? by Morpeth · · Score: 1

    Given now successful they are (our local one is always busy, and packed on weekends) -- I don't get the hate. They make affordable things, with well-thought out space-saving designs, and I've had no problems with durability. From their kids' stuff, to kitchen items to storage units, we've made good use of IKEA in our home without spending a fortune like you would at say some overpriced places like Restoration Hardware (gag...)

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  27. Burning Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always wanted to go to Burning Man. It might be worth dropping the $1200 on a Better Shelter to take it there. Any Burning Man attendees have thoughts on this? Would it be reviled coming from Ikea?