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FCC Chairman: Net Rules Will Withstand Court Challenge
An anonymous reader writes with this story about FCC chairman Tom Wheeler's confidence that the net neutrality rules the agency passed last month will stand up to upcoming challenges in court."Now that the FCC is the subject of several lawsuits, and its leader, Chairman Tom Wheeler, was dragged in front of Congress repeatedly to answer the same battery of inanity, it's worth checking in to see how the agency is feeling. Is it confident that its recent vote to reclassify broadband under Title II of the Telecommunications Act will hold? Yes, unsurprisingly. Recently, Wheeler gave a speech at Ohio State University, laying out his larger philosophy regarding the open Internet. His second to last paragraph is worth reading: "One final prediction: the FCC's new rules will be upheld by the courts. The DC Circuit sent the previous Open Internet Order back to us and basically said, 'You're trying to impose common carrier-like regulation without stepping up and saying, "these are common carriers.'" We have addressed that issue, which is the underlying issue in all of the debates we've had so far. That gives me great confidence going forward that we will prevail.""
Is Optimistic. It is his position to state as such, Statists always do, then are often smacked down in court due to interest of business, aren't they learning anythjng from the TPP? The governmentnis in bed with business, its all a show of smoke and mirrors used to confuse and misdirect the citizens on whos turn is it to put us over a barrel, either the government or big business or is it time for being dp'd by both. To think otherwise is exactly what they want.
That stuff gets published weekly, so they have to chose whether to hoax too early, or too late.
I certainly did not expect Systemd to have forked the Linux kernel (this soon) to say the least.
Systemd transitioning towards Systemd OS? I see the shores of this digital landscape receding mysteriously as never seen before, what is coming? captca - linens?
Is this a troll or did this actually fucking happen?
If they actually forked the kernel I'm pretty sure it would be in their repository and not one that's 11 days old.
News like that just feels like an April fools joke to me and I would assume it would to others. I mean, the systemd developers don't operate like that at all. That people would think it to be true at all shows how strange of a perception there is around the systemd project (take that as you want, one way or another people think the systemd devs would be crazy enough to do a full out fork of the kernel--does that mean people are deluded about systemd's goals or that systemd has put off indications that they would do such a thing).
This isn't government control of the internet, and government control of the internet would be a very bad thing. How long do you think unbreakable encryption would last if the government had control? The FBI is already starting to take up a position that they want to ban it entirely.
http://www.theguardian.com/com...
The systemd developers have occasionally bumped heads with developers working on other projects, perhaps most notably Linux Torvalds, lead developer of the Linux kernel. Since systemd's init software works to bring the operating system on-line at boot time, systemd needs to work closely with the kernel and this can cause problems. In fact, some conflict and proposed solutions have resulted in at least one systemd developer getting banned from contributing to the Linux kernel.
Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. "There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack."
In essence, systemd will gain another component, the Linux kernel, which can be patched as needed to work better with other systemd components. Having both the init software and the kernel managed by one project will also allow bug fixes to be addressed more quickly and avoid conflict between Linux and systemd developers. Ivan says systemd developers plan to merge improvements and changes from Torvalds' kernel into the systemd project and, in an e-mail, confirmed systemd developers will make their own patches public so they can be merged back into Linus' Linux.
Apparently DistroWatch's source is "Ivan Gotyavich", a developer on the systemd project. A Google search for his name returns no other results, and it's suspiciously a corruption of "I got you", as one would exclaim after successfully perpetrating a hoax.
The AC commenting on every story trying to manufacture a systemd-centered argument is definitely a troll.
In short, Linux fans still have nothing to worry about. A new package provides several new utilities, some distros are choosing to include those utilities and depend on them. That may break a few things and cause disruption for a while, but in short order, the fanatic neckbeards with their bash superpowers will ensure that everything is compatible. It's business as usual in a large software ecosystem.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
It may survive a court challenge but it wont survive the new legislation Comcast, Verizon, AT&T etc are getting ready to submit to Congress via their bought congressmen and senators.
so now they'll mange, crangle and finagle every angle, they'll try, cry and lie, play, replay every day until they get their way.
I wish they would just fuck off and accept that, just for once, that capital didn't get it fucking way like it does every single other time.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
for the love of code, please o please don't slashdot github, they've had enough problems lately the way it is with slow-loading pages, timeouts and aborted file transfers.
I'm sure it is a hoax. If it were done by the official systemd team, it would have been deployed to all distros by now, overnight.
it's kind of like the concept of the free market
without rules, enforced, all markets quickly devolve into oligarchies and monopolies: customers and smaller players squashed and abused
so a free market requires government regulation
likewise, without rules enforcing net neutrality, large market players start fucking with the status quo to siphon off more cash. simply because they can
but there exists certain idiots in the world, a lot in the usa, who only see the government as a threat. the government IS a threat, in many avenues of life
but in the market place, the government is usually your only friend when it comes to real abuse from large market players
there does exist regulatory capture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
but again, this is an argument against corruption, not against government. again, the problem with regulatory capture is large market players corrupting the rules. so you want to heal your sick government, not weaken it further, thereby giving large market players yet even more ways to abuse you. and they will
but certain people, they just utterly lack the awareness that the government is not the only evil bogeyman in the world. many times in fact, like regulatory capture, the government isn't really the ultimate bogeyman, but just the front for the real villains: plutocracy
we need strong anticorruption rules in the usa. badly. the people are losing to big money. this will be our downfall
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
In essence I agree with everything you say. Do try to understand, though, that the U.S. Government has given people ample cause to be suspicious of their intentions and skeptical of their performance. I don't think they see .gov as the only bogeyman, just the one that happens to have an army and taxation authority.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
The ACA was passed in reconcilliation with only 51 votes, so do not be surprised if it is undone in 51 votes.
The Act of Congress that gave the FCC the authority to regulate the airwaves and telegraph lines did not include the authority to regulate Internetworking. It was already a legal stretch to include telephone service under the "telegraph lines" authority, but it is even more of a stretch to include the modern Internet.
The FCC should be defeated in court quite easily, quite possibly by summary judgment if the plaintiffs are smart enough to ask for one.
the problem is that we do not have strong laws against corruption
1. corporations and the rich buying congrescritters with election funds (supported in 2010 citizens united)
2. revolving door employment between regulator and the corporations they are supposed to regulate
other countries have clear laws against this type of thing. we can have that too (not easily, but we should, and we should try)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
so a free market requires government regulation
No, a free market requires regulation, but it can self-regulate as well.
but again, this is an argument against corruption, not against government. again, the problem with regulatory capture is large market players corrupting the rules. so you want to heal your sick government, not weaken it further, thereby giving large market players yet even more ways to abuse you. and they will
This argument doesn't make sense. Corruption happens because governments and their agents have power that they can readily monetize. So it is better to give them more power that they can monetize further? Or perhaps convert to even nobler coin such as establishing a tyranny?
but certain people, they just utterly lack the awareness that the government is not the only evil bogeyman in the world. many times in fact, like regulatory capture, the government isn't really the ultimate bogeyman, but just the front for the real villains: plutocracy
They are by far the biggest, evil bogeymen out there.
It seem you are implying that corruption cannot happen in the free market without government involvement. The government is a tool, just like guns. The biggest evil bogeymen are the ones that use that tool to do evil, which are typically corporations.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
it can self-regulate as well.
so company {X} dominates a market for widgets. any smaller companies try to compete, they undercut the competitors prices to starve them out, then jack prices way high when the smaller companies fold, consumers having no real choice
tell me how this problem is "self-regulated" by the market to correct for the abuse
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Please do. We look forward to implementing single payer when the next dem power wave comes. And also removing the filibuster to remove ALL conservative legislation.
How's that minority outreach looking by the way?
so a free market requires government regulation
What requires government regulation isn't a free market, it's a fair market. Some of us would argue that a fair market is more important than a free market for achieving the stated goals of capitalism.
well yeah. in which case a "free" market is simply anarchy, in which a monopoly and oligarchy comes to dominate and "govern" in a sense: decide how much consumers pay and that no one competes. truly "free" in the sense there is no government, but a much worse place in actuality
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It already is illegal in the United States to use "unbreakable encryption".
It is considered an armament under Federal Law, and cannot be exported or sold.
If there is encryption being traded and sold in the US, it is because the NSA and CIA can break it and they have decided to not classify it as an armament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations
Yup, which is exactly why I argue that a fair market is more important than a free market. A "truly free" market would be somewhere between anarchy and a state with only two classes, masters and slaves.
so company {X} dominates a market for widgets. any smaller companies try to compete, they undercut the competitors prices to starve them out, then jack prices way high when the smaller companies fold, consumers having no real choice
tell me how this problem is "self-regulated" by the market to correct for the abuse
That's easy. If {X} jacks prices, competition will return. {X} is back to square one.
See, undercutting is only effective at keeping competition away if you keep doing it. As soon as you jack prices, people will see that there's big money to be make in your market, and people will start to think about how to get in on the action.
It seem you are implying that corruption cannot happen in the free market without government involvement. The government is a tool, just like guns. The biggest evil bogeymen are the ones that use that tool to do evil, which are typically corporations.
Government agencies are corporations with sovereign immunity.
To be fair, most of systemd has sounded like an April Fools joke to me. For that matter, most of freedesktop has read that way lately.
(facepalm)
you're trolling right?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
What I find interesting is that an un-regulated market is indistinguishable from 100% regulatory capture. So those who oppose regulations are essentially proposing 100% regulatory capture in order to avoid regulatory capture.
exactly
they oppose government when they should be opposing corruption
the idiots are actually helping the corruptors. the corruptors would rather not have anyone to corrupt as an extra expense, and the idiots oblige by insisting on the same: remove the corrupted position, rather than fix it. because they apparently like shoddy, expensive, manipulated, inefficient markets
it's like someone robs the bank because they paid off the bank guard
the intelligent response is to fire, prosecute, and replace the guard, and go after the criminals who paid him off
the idiots want to fire the guard and leave the bank unguarded, and leave it at that: not pursue the criminals who paid off the guard and robbed their bank, their money
it's stunning how stupid and propagandized people can be
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
History suggests otherwise, especially in a market with significant barriers to entry.
So, by your logic, competitors should be flooding into every broadband market where Verizon/Comcast/TMC is the only -- and very shitty, and very expensive -- player. Should be happening all the time!
But wait, that's not happening at all, is it? Could it be that entering a market, blowing millions on building up your infrastructure (whether it's internet switches, laying cable, or building widget-factories), costs a lot of money, and only a total dumbass would invest like that when their competition is a giant multinational who has made perfectly clear that they will crush them the minute they open their doors? Could that be it?
Gee, it's almost like you're too stupid to understand how monopolies work, and that people with businesses don't just blindly run into whatever markets exist without actually doing some due diligence on them. It's almost like you've been drinking Ayn Goatfucker Rand's kool-aid all these years, and think that totally unregulated free-market capitalism runs on magic, and not the very depressing principles of human competition. It's almost like you don't bother to look out your window once and a while and see the actual results that occur in every instance when markets get deregulated.
Deregulating banks wan supposed to free up capital and introduce more-efficient financial structures that would more properly react to market needs. What happened instead? A massive implosion of wealth that wipes trillions of dollars in assets off the books and resulted in the single biggest transfer of wealth (and that from poor to rich) in US history. And here we are again, fighting any kind of regulation whatsoever, like none of that happened.
Jeez, you guys make me want to empty this bottle of scotch down my gullet, and then bash my head in with it. The overwhelming stupid is just unbearable.
"Heavily Regulated" == "Open". Orwell would love it.
You mean like they did in 2008? The self-regulation that resulted in a massive taxpayer-backed bailout?
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Deregulating banks wan supposed to free up capital and introduce more-efficient financial structures that would more properly react to market needs. What happened instead? A massive implosion of wealth that wipes trillions of dollars in assets off the books and resulted in the single biggest transfer of wealth (and that from poor to rich) in US history. And here we are again, fighting any kind of regulation whatsoever, like none of that happened.
Let's note that deregulating banks did do that. That need still exists. We still want capital "freed" up. We still want more-efficient financial structures. And the rich lose more proportionally than the poor do in these bubble bursts IMHO. Capital is just a better return on effort in general than labor is in today's high competition world.
Jeez, you guys make me want to empty this bottle of scotch down my gullet, and then bash my head in with it. The overwhelming stupid is just unbearable.
Go for it.
The self-regulation that resulted in a massive taxpayer-backed bailout?
"Massive taxpayer-backed bailout" implies it wasn't a free market.
"Massive taxpayer-backed bailout" implies it wasn't a free market.
Only if by "it" you're just talking about the bailout itself and not the crash. The bailout was the response to the crash. What the response was doesn't say either way why and how the crash happened.
Car analogy time: a car crashed. The cops (government) showed up to investigate, the politicians bicker, and somehow they ended up writing more laws (regulations) as a response. That there was a government response doesn't say anything about whether the car crash was caused by free markets or lack of it.
GP's claim would make more sense if he talked about the crash. As it is though, you two are just talking past each other.
History suggests otherwise
No it doesn't. History suggests a lot about imperialism, communism, fascism, theocracies, monarchies, and so on. But history hasn't seen any large scale instances of free markets tried to say anything about it.
This includes Gilded Age US. Compared to today government back then seemed small, but compared to before the Civil War, Gilded Age US government was huge.
No true Scotsman?
Only if by "it" you're just talking about the bailout itself and not the crash.
No, I speak of both.One can't consider the crash in absence of the bailout.
Car analogy time: a car crashed. The cops (government) showed up to investigate, the politicians bicker, and somehow they ended up writing more laws (regulations) as a response. That there was a government response doesn't say anything about whether the car crash was caused by free markets or lack of it.
Car analogy time: a car crashes and the driver gets the local government to pay for any damage he does. He then crashes again a few years later and gets the government to do it again. This pattern repeats for the past century or so of this guy's driving record with him getting more and more aggressive with his driving as the years go on.
First of all, those laws only apply for export and not usage. Second of all, those laws basically became moot after Phil Zimmermann argued (and prevailed) that all he would have to do is print his code to a book and then just mail it overseas. Since the book itself is protected by the first amendment (free speech) no laws can restrict its distribution.
The only way I could see the FBI getting anywhere with their case is if they were to forbid companies from selling devices domestically that included unbreakable encryption out of the box. If that was the case, there's still nothing stopping people from installing it by themselves.
Wouldn't everything be "somewhere between anarchy and a state with only two classes, [i.e.] masters and slaves"? Unless it is truly, really, actually egalitarian?