Slashdot Mirror


At the Track With Formula E, the First e-Racing Series

An anonymous reader writes Ars is running a story about the new all-electric racing car series and its first visit to the U.S.. "The pit lane we're standing in is unusual, and not only because it's a temporary setup placed in the shadow of American Airlines Arena (home of the NBA's Miami Heat). Garages are set up on both sides rather than being limited to one. A few things also appear to be missing. To start, a familiar smell from the usual mix of burning hydrocarbons is absent. And it's remarkably quiet. The occasional impact wrench bursts out in a mechanical staccato, generators drone here and there, but there are no V8s burbling, no V6s screaming....Welcome to Formula E, the world's first fully electric racing series. Miami is playing host to the first of two US rounds—the next being held in Long Beach, CA, on April 4—and it's the fifth race in this ePrix's inaugural season. Given we've got a bit of a thing about racing at Cars Technica, as well as an obvious interest in electric vehicles, we had to be on the ground in Miami to experience this for ourselves."

14 of 167 comments (clear)

  1. Re:So a the cars are the same model? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cars are stock for the first season for cost reasons, for the second season there are several chassis builders and several power unit suppliers signed up, so there will be a better spread of performance amongst the pack.

  2. Power to weight ratio by gTsiros · · Score: 4, Informative

    to put 8 kW/kg into perspective, all commercial brushless dc motors are at 4 kW/kg and it is a limitation of the materials used.

    Commercial internal combustion engines range from 1 kW/kg to *maybe* 3 kW/kg if it is turbocharged to the point of sacrificing engine longevity and formula 1 engines are at around 5 kW/kg

    although i suspect they saved weight by using the vehicle frame as (part of?) the stator, a perk of making a motor for a very specific purpose.

    --
    Looking for people to chat about multicopters, coding, music. skype: gtsiros
  3. Re:Hopefully this gows by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 3

    Formula 1 jumped the shark when they disallowed ground effects. When THE most significant car ever produced for F1 (the Lotus 79) is illegal, you've made it more about money instead of innovation, which has defined F1 from the 80s on. How does it feel to be running 30 year old technology, grandpa?

    Everyone knows electric cars are the future (which F1 even begrudgingly admits by requiring hybrids), and instead of meeting that future head on like Formula E, F1 totters along, and will contribute nothing to the future of racing.

    That, sir, is old and busted.

  4. Re:Hopefully this gows by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Formula 1 jumped the shark when they disallowed ground effects.

    Ground effects whilst technologically interesting suffer from safety problems.

    As soon as a car deviates from the optimum ride height for the undertray effects to work the downforce varies significantly. This is a problem when apex speeds are significantly higher due to the extra downforce created by ground effects.

    Hit a bump the wrong way and lose downforce == shoot off the corner at much higher speeds into the barrier.

  5. Fun fact by srussia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All the Formula E cars are charged using a single generator that uses glycerol as fuel.

    --
    Set your phasers on "funky"!
    1. Re:Fun fact by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did you really think they were racing electric cars so the races polluted less? That's the only way your statement makes any sense. If you'd bother to read anything about this, they are hoping to use the developments and insights gleaned from Formula E engineering in production cars. The environmental savings are further down the line, when the technology is sitting outside your house.

      I know it's fun to moan about environmentalism, but when you miss the point entirely, the only thing that gets wounded is your reputation. Like just now. Ouch.

  6. Re:Hopefully this gows by monkeyxpress · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ground effects cars were crazy though. I kinda think it is a good thing that the best driver in F1 doesn't simply correspond to who is the most suicidal. And something like the Williams FW15C was going to render the skill of the driver almost redundant if that seam of development had been allowed to continue.

    On the other hand those cars and others (like bernie's fan car, and even the blow diffuser and f-duct) are part of the interesting narrative that is F1 and I do think the FIA has become so concerned with preventing another Lotus 79 or Williams FW15C that they are pre-emptively killing any chance for real technical innovation.

    But they're just a bunch of businessmen now. Once Bernie goes I think it will sadly fall apart. The management, rights holders and teams will end up spending more time in court than out on the track. As much as I think Bernie is a dick, like an dodgy book keeper, I also think he maintains a careful balance of handouts and ego massaging that allows the various interests involved to generally get some cars out on track every weekend.

  7. Re:Pit stops by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The battery is fully integrated into the vehicle and is part of the structure. It can't be easily removed. Not for lack of want, though. Swappable batteries are under development, but it will likely mean compromises in the chassis construction.

    I'm more annoyed that there is a *minimum* pit time, meaning drivers have to wait and get penalized if they leave the pits too early.
    =Smidge=

  8. Re:Why does it need a 5 speed gearbox?? by monkeyxpress · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because the power output of an electric motor is torque * rotation speed. The electric motor can produce max torque across the speed range (roughly for most types anyway), but the power output still increase with the RPM. So if you want to get max power at any wheel speed you want to keep the motor revs up.

    Hence the gearbox.

  9. Re:Hopefully this gows by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, the lack of any "raw" engine noise is actually the only minus.
    The high-pitches wheezing just doesn't sound enjoyable at all; it's bland and unrecognizable at this point.

    --
    Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
  10. Re:Hopefully this gows by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But do you drive at +240 kph, make rapid acceleration to get you to 96 kph in two seconds, all while trying to stay ahead of the guy who's trying to pass you?

    Yeah, thought not.

    --
    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
  11. Re:E, The most boring racing by CaptainLard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah F1 isn't nearly as advanced as all those other racing series that don't have any regulations on the cars. For those interested I've compiled a list of regulation free racing series:

    (end of list)

  12. Re:So a the cars are the same model? by pr0nbot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've actually been watching the Formula E races, because I'm into Formula 1 and there are a bunch of B-list ex-F1 drivers in there.

    As far as I can tell, there's a fairly strong emphasis on it being entertainment rather than sport. For example, drivers get a boost button they can use during the race if they're the "fan favourite" before the race. There are also some gimmicks like bonus points for fastest lap and pole position. In the pre-season trailers, one of the key talking points was the DJ that was going to be guesting for each race.

    The races themselves are fairly laughable - short, with a fairly hilarious car swap when they run out of juice (the driver hops out of one car and does a little dash to the other car), and the cars themselves are fugly as hell and all the bits are wobbly (so... a bit like me I guess). The coverage is completely ghetto, minimum-budget stuff -- it's on ITV4 in the UK, which tells you everything you need to know.

    However, it's a a new series, and the drivers at least are for real, so I'm giving it time to grow.

  13. Re:Hopefully this gows by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yup, there has been absolutely no advancement in tires since 1979.

    Also- 79 Lotus 480hp

    2014 Mercedes 750hp

    So yes, a turboed Mercedes with current tires and over 30% more horsepower can run a whole 15 seconds faster than a NA Lotus on bias ply tires.

    Any other mysteries of the universe I can illuminate for you?