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The Democratization of Medical Diagnosis and Discovery

An anonymous reader writes: As wearable fitness devices become popular, we're seeing the beginning of a change in how untrained people can monitor their own health. On top of that, we also have access now to powerful data-sharing tools — if a patient has the means and the interest to look at the data from a doctor's medical scans, she can. A post at the NY Times argues this is leading to the democratization of medical discovery. Physicians and researchers are now saying, "Better-informed patients ... are more likely to take better care of themselves, comply with prescription drug regimens and even detect early-warning signals of illness." These tools also allow easier aggregation of data from large groups of patients (hopefully anonymized), which can provide more accurate assessments of the typical course of disease than current methods, which often rely on interpretations of interpretations.

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  1. Other unintended side effects by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It also leads to rampant, self-diagnosing webochondria. I will admit, I am an offender in this respect.

    1. Re:Other unintended side effects by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah well, I once went to a GP thinking that I had cancer because it was what the internet said I had. He nearly got mad at me for bringing the internet up because, according to him, if every person who self-diagnosed their cancer actually had it, half the country would be on chemo by now. He proceeded to rant on how misinformed people on the internet are and after a check up told me that I had some unwarranted worries and everything was fine.

      It was a testicular cancer anyway.

    2. Re:Other unintended side effects by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He proceeded to rant on how misinformed people on the internet are

      The obvious solution is more and better information on the Internet. Doctors have a vested interest in keeping patients ignorant, so their "rants" should be discounted.

  2. Probably a bad thing. by digsbo · · Score: 2

    With the number of self-misdiagnosed "gluten sensitives" we have walking around, who aren't sick at all, I really don't think giving the average untrained person (or the bizarre hipsters who think food sensitivity is cool) interpreting data. People with access to information they don't understand, or want to use for an agenda, don't end up making good decisions with that information.

    1. Re:Probably a bad thing. by digsbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not saying the data shouldn't be available, just that most people won't be able to use it properly.

    2. Re:Probably a bad thing. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait until people start figuring out just how much "better-informed" the doctors and medical researchers are. It may first require dropping of the journal paywalls as well, but it is only a matter of time before first engineers and physicists from other fields take a close look at what has been passing for scientific method. Then there will be the authoritative voice to get others to take a closer look, etc. It will be epic when it finally happens.

      Oh, everybody knows this. Medical research is a poor, psychotic cousin to 'real' science. It's going to be that way for quite some time. Hard to grow a bunch of humans with a gene deletion, wait until they're old, euthanize them and then slice them up for analysis. Even if you did that with lawyers and politicians, you'd have to wait an awful long time to get any results.

      On top of the rather, ah, interesting history of how medicine became forefront in Western society (it makes Alice in Wonderland seem perfectly sane), human hubris, the medical - industrial complex and the plain old fact that biology is hard and you have modern medicine scrabbling for acorns under the tree, finding them occasionally but mostly eating rocks and twigs.

      There won't be any 'authoritative' voices telling us how to do things because we know what we need to do. Be very, very patient. Invest lots more in basic research at all levels and continue to be patient. We're much more likely to fully fund NASA than that.

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    3. Re:Probably a bad thing. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hard to grow a bunch of humans with a gene deletion, wait until they're old, euthanize them and then slice them up for analysis. Even if you did that with lawyers and politicians, you'd have to wait an awful long time to get any results.

      I must say, if you did that with enough lawyers and politicians, it might make research easier for generations to come!

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  3. Not in the US by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    " if a patient has the means and the interest to look at the data from a doctor's medical scans, she can."

    I'm from Luxembourg, Europe and here all the scans have been done on CDs and DVDs for over a decade now and handed out to us patients, not the doctors. As soon as CDs got cheaper than chemical they switched, I must say I was impressed at the time.

    For a copy of the lab-tests I have to pay 1€ to have a copy of the results sent to my address.

    As almost everywhere on the world, electronic patient files are slow to come so it's like always:

    If you want something done properly, do it yourself!

    1. Re:Not in the US by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even here in the backwoods of the US, we do exactly the same thing. Patients can leave the ER with a CD containing scans and lab results. If they want to wait awhile, they can have the doctor's notes. We've thought about switching to USB sticks but CDs are just about the right size, dirt cheap and can be used for coasters in an emergency.

      Why, we can even photocopy things in an emergency.

      USA! USA!

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  4. The good, the bad and the in between by Gim+Tom · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have had good doctors and I have had some bad doctors, but most of the doctors I have seen have been in between. In the mid 1990's when I was diagnosed with hypertension I bought a good automatic BP meter and have taken and recorded my BP regularly ever since. I also make notes when there are variations in either direction as to what MAY have been the cause, and try to make any needed changes in my lifestyle. I ALWAYS take my numbers to my checkups and most of the time the readings in the doctors office do not correlate well with the readings I get at home. I have even had it called "white coat hypertension" by more than one doctor. As a result of this over the years I have been able to reduce the prescribed medications, in agreement with my doctor, by well over half -- maybe more and my BP is within the normal range for me whenever I take it. And yes, I have checked the calibration of my meter.

    Another issue I have had is the two lesser forms of skin cancer, many Basil cell cancers, and a few Squamous cell ones. Although I have a checkup by my dermatologist twice a year, most of the time I find something that I am suspicious of for him to examine. As recently as 2013 I had a very tiny growth very near my left eye that appeared suddenly in the late fall, shortly AFTER my exam. I was suspicious that it was a skin cancer and called and got another appointment for an exam. My dermatologist did a biopsy, which was positive for Squamous, and I was able to have Mohs surgery to have it removed before the end of the year. It was still small and the surgery was much less invasive than it would have been otherwise. If I had let it go until my next check up I would have had to have reconstructive plastic surgery in addition to the Mohs surgery.

    While I am not a doctor, and never wanted to be one, I am very much in favor of any device that can let me monitor my own body and then find a doctor that will listen to me.

  5. What I really want to see by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm hoping for the Uberization of health care. There is no excuse for keeping medical information from the patient himself under the guise of "privacy," especially when governments get free and full access to the same data. Yes, a lot of people are faddish about health, but this is just as big a problem under today's locked-down system, and I resent having my right to self-discovery and choice of treatment limited because a minority of the gullible are following quack ideologies. In fact, believers in "supplements" and other nostra enjoy protected status under current law, while patients are rigidly prevented from getting open-market access to real medicine.

    What our medical system really fears is not Obamacare, but the free market. To hospitals, doctors and pharma companies, socialism is just another set of rules they can game to keep their prices two orders of magnitude above the market.

    1. Re:What I really want to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "Uberization" of health care? You want unlicensed strangers to surge-price you for treatment?

    2. Re:What I really want to see by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Congratulations on being the one response that is not hiding as an AC. The whole idea of open records access, as described here, goes against engrained industry practice:
      http://www.allgov.com/news/con...

      And as for pricing, were you aware that in many states it is not even possible to find out the price of hospital procedures ahead of time. This explicitly prevents a patient from planning ahead, or from finding that gallbladder surgery at a first-class hospital in Mumbai can be had, including airfare, at a fraction of the domestic price.

      And where do you see me ranting against the ACA? Given that the medical industry resists transparency and open markets, I welcome Obamacare. Let your industry bend over for a generation of governmental mandates and cost controls, then come back to us and tell us whether you still hate the free market as an alternative to your fourteenth-century Guild Of The Goldsmiths mentality.

  6. Medical knowledge is not a special case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All knowledge of any kind, leads certain types of people to believe they know more than they do.

    "I watched every episode of LA Law, and I'm telling you, they are going to have to acquit that guy. Fruit of the poison tree! Fruit of the poison tree!"

    "I've watched lots of porn so I know how to please a woman."

    "I installed Wordpress, and now I know how to store things in a database. You just update_post_meta()! OMG, you're still using fields?! Loser."