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Watching a "Swatting" Slowly Unfold

netbuzz writes That online gamers have been victimized has unfortunately allowed us to see what "swatting" looks like from the perspective of the target: terrifying and potentially deadly. A similar type of criminally unnecessary SWAT scene played out Saturday night when a caller to police in Hopkinton, Mass., claimed to be holed up in the town's closed public library with two hostages and a bomb. The library stands within eyesight of the starting line for the Boston Marathon. An editor for Network World, there by happenstance, watched for two hours, and, while it was a hoax and no one was hurt, his account highlights the disruption and wastefulness these crimes inflict.

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  1. call the library ? by itzly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be smarter for the police to call back the library, and ask if there's anything going on ?

    1. Re:call the library ? by Galaga88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there's a real incident in progress, this wouldn't work. They'd either not answer, or be compelled by the people with guns to tell the cops that everything is a-okay.

    2. Re:call the library ? by itzly · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If they don't answer (during regular operating hours) you at least have a confirmation that something is going on. If they answer, but they are compelled to lie to the police, I'm sure the police can figure that out. They can listen for trembling in their voice, background noises, or ask the person to say something about a book if there's an emergency going on.

    3. Re:call the library ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be smarter for the police to call back the library, and ask if there's anything going on ?

      In the rest of the civilized world the police has methods to approach situations like these in a more controlled manner, yes. But in the US, there is an incredible strong fear-based "what if?" premise to the narrative. Which leads to police methods working fine in other countries being ridiculed.

    4. Re: call the library ? by itzly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the police could be sued if they wasted any time at all. That would include calling the closed library

      Responding to a prank call also wastes time. Somebody could be planning to rob a bank, and make a prank hostage call at a business at the other side of town to distract the police.

    5. Re:call the library ? by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Am I missing something here? A hostage calls 911 and reports the situation. They call the library the hostager picks up, says everything is fine here.

    6. Re: call the library ? by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But they can respond with appropriate force levels, and with intelligence behind their response. Like contacting the security company to find out if the alarm is set or if there's any security cameras to get feeds from, or contacting the municipal director of the library services department to find out what the regular status of the building should be at that time to know if it should be open or closed or staffed or what.

      There are a lot of checks that they can at least attempt to perform before storming the building in body armor.

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    7. Re:call the library ? by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the incident was called in by the perpetrator, wouldn't you expect him to want the staff to confirm his story? Why would he lie?

      In fact, in most any hostage scenario I'd expect the perpetrators to want the staff to confirm their story - the whole point is to extract concessions, is it not? Ditto for a "suicide by cop" scenario. I'm having a hard time coming up with any scenario where the perpetrators would hole up in a public building and NOT want police and media attention.

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    8. Re: call the library ? by Minwee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A smart bank robber...

      ...already did it. Without leaving his desk. And not only did you never notice, the police will never even hear that it happened.

  2. Related to the Boston Marathon how? by hatemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Moderately interesting article. Too bad they decided to add the clickbait boston marathon reference. Makes me feel a little dirty for giving them a click.

    1. Re:Related to the Boston Marathon how? by hatemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you think police don't need to take threats seriously in places where they haven't already had terrorist attacks?

      He most certainly is dropping the "Boston Marathon" name to get more clicks. If it was actually relevant enough to base the article title on, then the implications, history, and potentially different police response would all get talked about in the article. As it stands, it's only mentioned once in an otherwise unnecessary last paragraph. Because it's clickbait.

  3. Re:Privacy battle by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No actual guns blazed in this scenario. Lots of people milled about, but not a single shot was fired.

    Did you have some kind of point to make?

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  4. The only reason this SWATTING nonsense works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is because of the predictably over-the-top military reaction by the police.

    Why kick someone in the balls when you can shine a laser pointer at his crotch, and have his dog bite him there?

    De-escalate police reactions and you'll see this go away.

  5. Re:Domestic Terrorism? by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me put this clearly. We don't need a damn new enforcement of terrorism laws that they then can use to throw at the books of everyone and their grandma. There are laws already on the books for dealing with this from filing a false police report on up.

    What they need to do to put a stop to this is start putting people in jail for it and make people realize they cannot fake a call to 911 anonymously. Once the story makes the rounds that if you do it you will go to jail people will stop doing it. That's all you need to do, start putting the pranksters in prison for a year or so and giving them a felony record in the process and this will stop. But you have to prove to the public that if you make one of these calls you will be caught.

    But as long as the police departments treat it as a non-crime by not investigating it's only going to get worse. The for profit policing that the war on drugs had created discourages the police from pursuing real crime that's not tied to drugs.

  6. Re:Stop blaming the authorities by Ravaldy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No the real problem is the police having essentially a para-military mindset

    Yes but you are still blaming the wrong people for the incidents. It's like blaming the explosion on the explosive. The one who lights it up is the one that caused the explosion, no the chemicals. You're using the .01% rule as your argument and that's why it's not valid.

    In my opinion, every police officer should be tried before a jury for every shooting

    A good start would be making them 100% accountable by putting body cams. I've said this a million times. People keep saying the police has too much power. The power isn't the problem, it's the lack of accountability. Without the body cams their word will always rule in court hence why they do things they can get away with.

  7. Re:Completely and utterly false explanation... by HBI · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's not wrong. Sorry, i'm not a leftist ideological hack, probably just the opposite, and I agree with, in essence, everything said by the GP poster. We did militarize our police forces for bad reasons. We do overreact to crimes. We should strip out all of the military hardware from "first responders" aka law enforcement. There's no need for it and it makes our existence more coarse.

    Getting rid of some stupid drug laws and over the top criminal enforcement would also help.

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  8. this will get fixed... by doug141 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when it affects someone in power.