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3D Printed Guns Might Lead To Law Changes In Australia
angry tapir writes An inquiry by an Australian Senate committee has recommended the introduction of uniform laws across jurisdictions in the country "regulating the manufacture of 3D printed firearms and firearm parts." Although current laws are in general believed to cover 3D printed guns, there are concerns there may be inconsistencies across different Australian jurisdictions. Although there aren't any high-profile cases of 3D printed weapons being used in crimes in the country, earlier this year a raid in Queensland recovered 3D printed firearm parts.
Complete loonies And frankly, some people just don't follow the law - just because it is there Too many pen pushers - more redundancies needed.
Meth labs and hydroponic setups are banned too, but that does not stop them.
An extra regulation will just amount to one more charge when caught. Instructing someone else is already a crime, as is waving a plastic replica even from a toyshop.
One predicts it will be a future crime repairing plastic car parts, such as bumpers and obscenely priced tail/headlights - to compete with the other criminals (Car dealer spares department).
governments/TPTB are becoming increasingly concerned that the average citizen could get pissed off and instead of being powerless (as they have been for centuries), they may actually be capable of doing something. In this case it's criminals getting guns with nefarious intent but honestly, this is the tip of the iceberg. We are nearing the tipping point between the people being dependant on governments and companies for things like food and electricity and being self-sufficient. The prospect of "we don't need you anymore" should scare them too because it's when the current social organizational system will start breaking down. It might take a few decades but thanks to affordable automation and openly shared progress, people will start dropping off the grid in droves, not because they can but because it's easy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW15CGAiscw
Democide - death by government.
If you want to be unarmed when YOUR government decides to start killing you, good luck with that. You idiot. Gun ownership REDUCES crime, the evidence from the U.S.A. is overwhelming.
"As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/05/14/disarming-realities-as-gun-sales-soar-gun-crimes-plummet/
Still, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your religiously held (i.e. insane) belief system.
it's control of the 3-D printers they're after... ultimate aim is to have them DRM'd so you can't pirate shapes...
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
try uttering such common sense in the usa
why are so many americans such fucking morons when it comes to the simple undeniable truth: more easy guns = more senseless death, not protection
As a non-American I always assume it is connected with the mythology of the Wild West or Frontiersman type of rugged individualism, which to be fair is fairly recent history (in European terms). Personally, I prefer civilization, but the "one-man-and-his-gun against the world" idea clearly appeals to many modern US citizens, even if they're living in a city apartment block and working in IT.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
What common sense? Largest mass murder by individuals in USA? Didn't involve any guns, they used box cutters, care to ban those? Second biggest maybe? Nope diesel and fertilizer...care to ban those?
Ya know why I personally think gun banners are hypocrites? Because they sit there and go "wahh drug laws do not work, legalize pot because the drug laws cost us billion for nothing waah" and then turn right the fuck around and do the exact same stupid shit with regards to fucking guns!
In case nobody bothered to fricking tell you we have this thing called a border? Go down to it and you can buy anything from sex slaves (bigger than a load of guns) to a fricking truckload of any drug you want (bigger than a load of guns) and if you pay a little extra? They deliver to your door! So how in the hell do you think you are gonna keep a load of guns, which can easily fit into a fricking foot locker, out when you can't do a damned thing about the slave or drug trafficking trades NOW?
Now here is the kicker, pay REAL close attention now, okay? You see criminals do not follow your laws....which is why they are called fucking criminals and not go-go dancers! I know, what a concept! SO just like the stupid drug laws they will NOT affect those that do not give a rat's ass about your laws like...drumroll, criminals that want to commit violent crimes, but will only affect those that want to legally own a gun thus making it EASIER for the very same criminals to prey upon them since hey, no worries about them defending themselves huh?
Finally here is some food for thought.....did you know when you support gun restrictions and bans YOU sir are supporting racism? Well guess what, you certainly are! Feel free to look up "Fear of an Armed Negro" on YouTube which traces the gun laws and gun bans back to the very first ones...wanna guess why they were passed? If you say "To keep them uppity niggers from fighting back" then you win a prize! Why do you think one of the first guns demonized was the "Saturday Night Special"? It was because they was cheap yet well made self defense weapons which appealed to blacks! Please feel free to watch, they have interviews, even quotes from the ones that wrote the actual gun laws where they don't even pussyfoot around the issue, they make it clear in their own words that yep, them uppity Negroes ain't staying on the back of the bus, better make sure they can't defend themselves if we decide to open a can on them!
So as you can see, multiple reasons why all these anti-gun laws? Are stupid, pointless, a waste of resources, and more than a little, hell more than a LOT, racist. This isn't even bringing into account the logical arguments, like you can build weapons that will kill more in any household with things you can find around the kitchen, the knowledge to do so can be downloaded in a couple seconds with a Google search, hell if you want to build a lethal weapon that fires projectiles again simple Google search will show you how to build several designs that don't need anything you can't get in a hardware store, from crossbows to coilguns,and finally you don't even need store bought bullets to make a weapon as its not like lead is hard to get and a wide range of substances have more explosive potential than gunpowder!
So no matter which way you want to slice it, gun bans? Fucking stupid.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
As a multi-gun owner and concealed carry permit holder/user, I'd also like to chime in.
<quote>However, today, the reasons given (by the gun lobby) seem to be heavily oriented toward individual protection. </quote>
There is a good reason for this. Not only is the U.S. not going to be invaded by a traditional army, as you said, but trying to make that argument just gives cannon-fodder for the 'other side'.
The self-defense case, however, is well grounded and supported by the facts. It is well documented that the incidence of homicide by firearm (around 10,000 per year) is orders of magnitude less than the number of crimes prevented by the use of firearms (2,500,000 is the number commonly cited from the FBI's crime statistics, and in some statistics, up to 200,000 women protect themselves from attackers each year by using firearms).
You can go to almost any gun-board and find lots of people sympathetic to that reasoning, not because they are looking for an excuse to protect their gun collecting and shooting sports hobby, but because they themselves were part of that 2.5m statistic.
Within the last few months, my fiance fended off a home intruder using a firearm I had left with her. She didn't need to fire a single shot, but the peace of mind it afforded her was unquestionable.
But it is a complicated issue as well. Both sides are fighting from fear. Most firearm owners LOVE firearms. Just like people love motorcycles or fine watches. They are carefully crafted and finely crafted pieces of engineering. There is a huge body of maths and physics behind internal, external, and terminal ballistics that everyman can share in. One can build their own custom AR-15 just like one might a gaming computer. One can compete with fellow enthusiasts in international shooting competitions and with organizations covering the whole gambit of firearms. To us, it is unthinkable that someone might want to take that away, and we are terrified of that. I'd feel the same about my motorcycles or my dog (which, by the way, one is about 50x more likely to be attacked by a dog than to be harmed by a firearm).
On the other hand, lots of people have an irrational fear of firearms built by ignorance and portrayal in the media as being exclusively the tools of death. Or maybe some even have a rational fear of firearms, but it is hard to find an argument against firearms that isn't grounded in fear.
Two sides anchored in fear leads to some really nasty fighting that probably isn't healthy for a sane debate.
[quote]it's also subtly encouraged the paranoid belief of the tyranny of our existing government. I think this is illogical, but many today here don't.[/quote]
To be fair, given the Snowden/Manning leaks, the LEO drone usage controversy, the police brutality thing... it is hard not to be paranoid.
My biggest fear is that our society is devolving into one like Aus or the U.K. have which pass permanent and pretty severe rights-restricting laws as knee-jerk reactions to whatever moral-panic of the minute ends up being, whether it be guns, vehicles, first amendment issues, or porn.
I was reading a bit about the NYS SAFE Act which was railroaded through the NYS legislature, at midnight, using a special loophole to go against the NYS constitution to prevent it from being debated, and signed into law within half an hour after passing.
The idea that a group of politicians from one city in a state could circumvent the democratic process whenever it tickles their fancy... that terrifies me. No matter what the issue is.
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Yes, this is why gun nuts love their guns so much. They positively fantasize about the government becoming an oppressive state so they can start shooting people. Look at all the success the gun nuts have had in preventing the government from spying on everyone, everything, and everywhere! Look at how those 300 million plus guns in the hands of the citizens have stopped the government from murdering unarmed civilians, both domestically and abroad! Or maybe they just want to kill so-called liberals and have a country full of fascists. Well, as long as they get to shoot something or someone, they'll be happy....