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Nokia Networks Demonstrates 5G Mobile Speeds Running At 10Gbps Via 73GHz

Mark.JUK writes The Brooklyn 5G Summit appears to have provided a platform for Nokia Networks to demo a prototype of their future 5G (5th Generation) mobile network technology, which they claim can already deliver data speeds of 10 Gigabits per second using millimeter Wave (mmW) frequency bands of 73GHz. The demo also made use of 2×2 Multiple-Input and Multiple-Output (MIMO) links via single carrier Null Cyclic Prefix modulation and frame size of 100 micro seconds, although crucially no information about the distance of this demo transmission has been released and at 73GHz you'd need quite a dense network in order to overcome the problems of high frequency signal coverage and penetration.

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  1. Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    10 gigabits per second! Sweet! I can run through my entire Verizon monthly 2 gig allottment in under 2 seconds, and run up $10 a second per gig in overage!

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    1. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by war4peace · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your calculations are off by a factor of 8. You'd get whole 16 seconds, not 2, you ungrateful customer you!

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    2. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2, Informative

      your maths really really sucks. at 10gb per second you to 1.25 gigabytes per second or as the OP said, less than 2 seconds for his 2gig quota.

    3. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. The bandwidth caps are so low and the prices are so high that honestly I'd be happier with 2G speeds and unlimited data. By all means, make it slow as shit... I just don't want to worry about the data. And if I have to worry about it then the last thing I need is for it to be so fast that I can blow through my data budget in an eye blink.

      Until the business model changes radically in cellular data, we can't have faster speeds. The costs are already unreasonable at existing speeds.

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    4. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love to live in a place where we have no data caps on mobile.

    5. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      They carriers need to offer reasonable rates for data.
      I would be happy to drop my cable internet for a wireless option, but it isn't economical.

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    6. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      I guess a wooosh is in order.

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    7. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was assuming that "up to 10gbps" actually means 8 times less based upon past history . . . but you still get to pay the same price.

    8. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by zidium · · Score: 1

      For you, yes.

      WOOOOSH

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    9. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by zidium · · Score: 1

      ::cough:: T-Mobile.

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    10. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Heh heh yeah. I generate 2-3 GB a week in skydiving videos. Last week the municipal internet guys came around and ran gigabit fibers to my house. I started my upload for a long high pull video and it was uploaded before I could finish typing the description. I'm pretty sure my home internet is now faster than any place I've ever worked. In fact, I'm pretty sure my home internet is now faster than the local network speed of any place I've ever worked.

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    11. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a retard? how is someone incapable of doing maths meant as a joke?

    12. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      That's one of the reasons that I like T-Mobile. I can go over my data allotment, and all they do is throttle me.

    13. Re:Didja ever have butter on a pop tart? by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      No, he was saying, rightfully, that a GB is 8 Gb.

  2. Re:LOL no info on distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't worry in the news in Australia tomorrow there will be a story vindicating the push to halt the fibre to the premise roll out as we will be able to get more speed, without annoying cables, with upcoming 5g technology!

  3. Quicker to burn thru your cap by Nyder · · Score: 1

    Faster speeds means the sooner you'll burn thru your cap.

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  4. Millimeter Wave? by Mojo66 · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't this be named "1/25 of an inch Wave", or "OTFOAIW"?

    1. Re:Millimeter Wave? by Rufty · · Score: 1

      No it shouldn't. FTFY 20.4microfurlongs

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  5. Now, if by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    this has any appreciable range, and instead of reserving the band for cellular towers, they put this stuff in consumer available gear, we can all interconnect wirelessly and tell comcast, verizon, et-al to go to hell.

    1. Re:Now, if by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Absorption by water molecules really picks up above about 6 GHz. This limits the practical range for high frequency signals.

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  6. Seriously. by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    faster cellular networks aren't all that interesting. It will take forever for them to be deployed, and

    Now give me an 802.11ZZZ or something that can do just 20Mb/s or so at 10 miles NLOS with non-directional antennas, and you've got something useful.

    1. Re:Seriously. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      faster cellular networks aren't all that interesting. It will take forever for them to be deployed, and

      Now give me an 802.11ZZZ or something that can do just 20Mb/s or so at 10 miles NLOS with non-directional antennas, and you've got something useful.

      And, by necessity of physics, massively wasteful of rf frequency. Not sure why you need this, also?

  7. Some missing parameters by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    they claim can already deliver data speeds of 10 Gigabits per second using millimeter Wave (mmW) frequency bands of 73GHz.

    Over what distance? And with what power requirements? How many concurrent users at what bandwidth?

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    1. Re:Some missing parameters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, this is a demo!

      All these record speeds are for a single user for a short time in a controlled environment.

      How else do you think you can get 300Mbps from the already deployed LTE-A?

    2. Re:Some missing parameters by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Well, I wouldn't want to stand in front of any PtP antenna's pushing this out at 10+ watts...

  8. not for users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't read the linked article but I'm assuming they are doing this for inter-base station communication. There, you need a high throughput, you can use directional antennas since base stations are not moving, and you don't have objects obstructing the line of sight.

    Also comments like "I'm gonna blow through my XGB data plan in Ys" are stupid. I mean if this technology ever gets to the end user, I hope you realize that 2GB won't be a standard data cap, it will likely be much more than that. It's like saying in 1999 that your GSM phone doesn't need LTE communication speeds because you blow through your 3MB data plan in 2 seconds...

    1. Re:not for users by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      2gb has been a standard data cap for nearly ten years.
      in markets where people are shafted anyways...

      and hey, even when they introduced gprs, the standard limits in markets where you weren't getting shafted were 100mbytes and 20mbytes. but that was a lot after 1999. in 1999 you would have been paying per minute on gsm to get a 9600bps connection. that's why gprs when it came was such a huge booster - it made mobile web possible.

      basically what I'm trying to get to is that usa data caps have been fairly stationary despite post 3g technology hitting the market. it's really not about anything else than that people are stupid enough to pay 60-80 bucks plans for that kind of shit, so why should they adjust it?

      and back in Finland 7 years or so I was torrenting 24/7 on uncapped 3g prepaid that was 10 euros a month. do you even have the option for doing that yet? no? your operators are screwing you over.

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  9. Dense network?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd have to paint the network onto every surface near which someone might try to use 73GHz.

  10. Ha ha! by JeremyWH · · Score: 1

    I'm going to take your "2×2 MIMO, single carrier Null Cyclic Prefix modulation" and trump it with my ingenious "3×3 MIMO, double carrier Pigeon"! Do your worst Nokia!

    1. Re:Ha ha! by AaronW · · Score: 1

      Depending on the distance, a carrier pidgeon might be faster since it can carry a lot of packets, probably at least a few TB of flash.

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    2. Re: Ha ha! by Zone-MR · · Score: 1

      You still need to write and read data to the flash cards - that's going to be significantly slower than 10gbps.

    3. Re: Ha ha! by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      Just RAID 75 of them (and get a really big pigeon)

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  11. Less coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that will become an issue as we get higher frequencies.

    Overcoming those hurdles cheaply will make someone very rich.

    When's neutrino networking already? Damn it science, hurry up.

  12. huh by koan · · Score: 1

    at 73GHz you'd need quite a dense network in order to overcome the problems of high frequency signal coverage and penetration.

    What's the odd cancer spike near the 73ghz installation?

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    1. Re:huh by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not all that frequency does! Reading this, "Low Intensity Electromagnetic Irradiation with 70.6 and 73 GHz Frequencies Affects Escherichia coli Growth and Changes Water Properties". So there are probably many unknown side effects that will start showing once this is in offices all over the place.

    2. Re:huh by koan · · Score: 1

      Ahh some one else aware.
      Check out the research done on manipulating rats emotional state via EM at the same freqs as cellphones.

      You can find the less "conspiratorial" view at "scholar.google.com

      Here's a starter:
      http://informahealthcare.com/d...

      Abstract

      Introduction. The interaction of mobile phone radio-frequency electromagnetic radiation (RF-EMR) with the brain is a serious concern of our society.

      Objective. We evaluated the effect of RF-EMR from mobile phones on passive avoidance behaviour and hippocampal morphology in rats.

      Materials and methods. Healthy male albino Wistar rats were exposed to RF-EMR by giving 50 missed calls (within 1 hour) per day for 4 weeks, keeping a GSM (0.9 GHz/1.8 GHz) mobile phone in vibratory mode (no ring tone) in the cage. After the experimental period, passive avoidance behaviour and hippocampal morphology were studied.

      Results. Passive avoidance behaviour was significantly affected in mobile phone RF-EMR-exposed rats demonstrated as shorter entrance latency to the dark compartment when compared to the control rats. Marked morphological changes were also observed in the CA3 region of the hippocampus of the mobile phone-exposed rats in comparison to the control rats.

      Conclusion. Mobile phone RF-EMR exposure significantly altered the passive avoidance behaviour and hippocampal morphology in rats.

      Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/d...

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    3. Re: huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be depressed or pissed of too if some one was repeatedly calling a phone in vibrate that was the size of my torso and left in my living room.

      Seriously stupid research if they were trying to gauge the effect of mobile frequencies, when they left the phone in vibrate mode.

  13. Speed vs bandwidth? by ciantic · · Score: 1

    I would take even 4G bandwidth anytime, if it could match the speed of ADSL, and I mean latency. I'm stuck with ADSL, fiber is in 50 m away, but none is going to dig it here.

    I hope someone could standardize realistic measure of speed, that takes account the latency. It's really important when browsing, as usual webpage these days contact to so many different sources.

  14. Re:LOL no info on distance by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    The vast majority certainly can not get excellent speeds from wireless. Nomatter how to slice it it's a limited resource. Expensive point to point gear on licenced RF can be touchy.

    Wireless is a great adjunct to a well planed fiber network but your never going to replace whats potentially terabits a second per home of a well laid out fiber network.

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  15. yea yea yea..... by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 1

    10Gps but i still have a 2.5 gig a month data cap. what am i supposed to do for the other 2,591,999.75 seconds in the month?

  16. Re: Haters gonna hate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha, disregard that, I SUCk COCKS!!!

  17. Re:LOL no info on distance by zidium · · Score: 1

    But what is 73 GHz going to do to your body?!?!

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  18. How much bandwidth? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    1) How much of the available frequency does this chew up, and 2) if it is directional, how tight is the beam?

    These are important considerations for things like mobile-service, which is typically not "narrow-beam."

    If the weather issue can be worked out, I see this as being useful for "fixed-wireless" applications, such as broadcast-television (think "cable TV without the cable and without the dish") and point-to-point communications (think "wireless U-Verse").

    Subject to downtime due to weather-related interference, a point-to-point/narrow-beam version of this could be used to bring very-high-bandwidth, reasonable-latency Internet- and "cable TV" to rural areas that are currently not wired and which it's not economical to put in traditional non-directional cell towers. It could also be used for wireless point-to-point backhaul connection for events that are in remote areas such as Burning Man (actually, that's a bad example as they already have their Internet connectivity solved, but if there were a "new" Burning-man-like festival out in the middle of nowhere...).

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    1. Re:How much bandwidth? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Higher frequencies are easier to form into directed beams dynamically with phased arrays. Not that I have any indication that Nokia has done this.

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  19. Grumpy cat response by nerdyalien · · Score: 1

    I don't see much point to be honest.

    For a start, telcos these days have very stringent bandwidth caps. For an example, here in Singapore, a 2 year mobile data plan with 12GB/month costs ~USD 200/month. Other than light usage (e.g. browsing, bit of skype and youtube), you can't do much.

    And what about power consumption ? how fast can it drain your phone battery ?

  20. Re: LOL no info on distance by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 2

    Nothing. It's not ionizing radiation.

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  21. Line of Sight by toejam13 · · Score: 1

    The problem with radio transmissions in the EHF band is that they are incredibly line of sight (LOS) restricted. Any structures or vegetation between the client and access point will block the transmission. It is also highly susceptible to rain fade. And while 73 GHz is above the atmospheric oxygen attenuation death zone (57–64 GHz), it is still highly affected by atmospheric absorption. Range for a point-to-point (PtP) system is a kilometer or two at most with sane ERP levels.

    There are already a couple of manufacturers who make PtP wireless network devices for the 60–80 GHz band, but they're mainly used for short distance backhaul networks. They're less expensive substitutes for running fiber between buildings or across a campus. The idea is that you have your PtP backhaul running at 10, 24 or 60–80 GHz and then you communicate with your clients using a PtMP network in the UHF band using WiFi, WiMax or LTE.

  22. Nokia by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I remember my grandpa used to go on about them.

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  23. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I have a lame 3G service that ask 1 USD per 1MB... Argentina phone companies sucks!

  24. Re:LOL no info on distance by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

    a well deployed and layed out wireless network.

    Like "they" have done so far in the US? They've been deploying for 30+ years and STILL don't have a well deployed network! They were supposed to be 100% done by 1985, before the FCC sold it's soul and started accepting cash for extensions rather than selling the unfulfilled licenses to competitors!

    And now you expect them to deploy a 4k radius network in any usable amount of time?

    Riiiiiiight.

  25. Nokia still exists? by rogerbly · · Score: 1

    Nokia still exists?

  26. Missing the point by Ranbot · · Score: 1

    Funny, but completely misses the point. The real news here is that mobile data speeds are going to start competing with traditional wired home ISPs in the near future. Verizon has already stated they are not laying any more [expensive] new fiber cables to focus on their mobile services. You can read between the lines. As for pricing, the market will figure that out for sure. Consider this very real possibility: what if a mobile provider had a 5G [or next-gen] cell tower in a suburban area and offered everyone within range to combine their home ISP and mobile phone data into one competively priced package? I think many people would jump on that.

    Still think I'm full of it? Consider this... my parents live in a very rural area and do not have access to cable or DSL lines, but they get their home internet through a "Wi-Fi" tower ISP located on a hill couple miles from their house. It's not as fast as DSL or cable, but it's big improvement over dial-up they had used prior. That sort of technology is only going to improve.