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Microsoft and Miele Team Collaborate To Cook Up an IoT Revolution

Mark Wilson writes When people talk about the Internet of Things, there are often semi-joking references to fridges that know when you've run out of milk and ovens that know how to cook whatever you put in them. Forget the jokes; this is now a reality. We've already seen a generation of smart appliances, and Microsoft wants to be part of what happens next. At Hannover Messe today, Miele — of oven, vacuum cleaner and washing machine fame — announces it is working on a new breed of appliances based on Microsoft Azure Internet of Things (IoT) services What does this mean? Ultimately it means you'll be able to find a recipe online, have the ingredient list and preparation instructions sent to your mobile device, and your smart oven will be automatically configured with the correct settings.

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  1. "Revolutionary!" by Lumpio- · · Score: 4, Funny

    - every company ever, when announcing their new product

    1. Re:"Revolutionary!" by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that Microsoft Azure Web Services will be a clearinghouse for all your commercially valuable information!

    2. Re: "Revolutionary!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to pay MS taxes also for kitchen machines.

  2. imagine sharing your dishwashing loads by alen · · Score: 5, Funny

    to facebook
    AUTOMATICALLY

  3. Is that the best sales pitch they can offer? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ultimately it means you'll be able to find a recipe online, have the ingredient list and preparation instructions sent to your mobile device, and your smart oven will be automatically configured with the correct settings.

    I fail to see where any of this is saving me much time or effort compared to what I can do today. We already keep our grocery list in a Dropbox file. One might argue that knowing you're out of something is an advantage; but in practice it's too late at that point - and "running low" is dependent on what you're planning to eat over the next several days.

    Having a recipe displayed on my phone or iPad is certainly handy - but I can do that now, with no more effort than is described above ("find a recipe" is the only effort involved - and you have to do that either way).

    Configuring the correct settings on my smart oven? That's like 5 seconds - tops - on my current oven. And my current oven is at least 25 years old! I have to turn a dial to set the temperature... oh, the humanity!

    Seriously, as far as I can tell the only "advantage" this particular corner of the Internet of Things offers is either to 1) advertisers hoping to sell me stuff; or 2) other various parasites.

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    1. Re:Is that the best sales pitch they can offer? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The advantages are those which aren't listed: the appliances will *also* send that recipe and ingredient list to your HMO so they can jack up your rates and to advertisers who can then send you targeted advertising.

      Oh, you wanted features for individuals? Well, the main feature is that eventually you won't be able to purchase a device *without* IoT

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    2. Re:Is that the best sales pitch they can offer? by fashkaat · · Score: 2

      I agree. What will happen if you down a recipe and use a different ingredient? Will you fight with your stove to change the settings. It sounds like a typical Microsoft product.

  4. And nothing will work if service goes down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You will not be able to vacuum your flat if you do not pay your comcast bill.

  5. Why wont this die allready by tomxor · · Score: 2

    Cmon people are not interested in "IOT" in their life, it's going to end up as a commercial tool where automation is needed, no one wants this shit in their home it doesn't improve anything substantially enough.

    1. Re:Why wont this die allready by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Cmon people are not interested in "IOT" in their life

      This. And this angers me about the IoT articles. There is so much good stuff about IoT. I actually saw a presentation from Microsoft about their Azure service and it seemed (hope you're sitting down) intelligent, common sense, cost effective, and showed a real tangible benefit in having device IoT. It was about predictive maintenance in individual devices which fail in their own time without warning and when they do fail they impact the wider population (think escalators and elevators). The work MS was doing with ... ThyssenKrup I think it was, was actually quite amazing.

      Yet all I hear about in the news is a fucking lightbulb which I can turn on with my smartphone, and an oven which turns itself on? It's seriously like proponents and marketing idiots of IoT devices specifically want the entire concept to fail.

  6. The Internet of security holes by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As if the current one wasn't... but this will be a completely new beast.

    You will have not only a customer base who doesn't know jack about the internet (and who might not even care about it, let alone consider their fridge, toaster or dishwasher being even remotely connected to the internet), you will have MS with its record of treating security as an afterthought, leading to half-baked tacked-on solutions that may or may not finally work more or less correctly after half a dozen iterations or so.

    And now let's ponder why this might be a problem with appliances that might be a bit hard to "field-upgrade", simply due to their nature of not having a sensible user input interface. Let alone having users that often neither know nor care about their ability to be upgraded.

    But, and that's the important bit here, this isn't just some "toy", like what a computer is to many people out there. A computer is something they use for their pastime. To play, to collect pictures, to surf the 'web, to have fun. If it doesn't work, well, that's a pity but nothing that would make the world stop. But with the IoT we're talking about the machines that store and prepare their food, the machines that clean their clothes and dishes, stuff that does matter to many people more than their "toy" computer.

    And don't think that after a while of crappy, insecure appliances with embarrassing hacks we'll get better secured appliances. Remember who the companies are that you're dealing here. It ain't MS and Nintendo. We're talking the likes of GE here. They don't make their stuff more secure. They simply have finding security holes outlawed. It's cheaper. And they already bought the politicians anyway, so they can as well let them get to work. And of course the idiots will cheer that their fridge will no longer cook their cheese now that they're secure from the evil hackers.

    I predict a lot of rather interesting times coming our way.

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  7. Old Joke by aquabat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft teams up with a vacuum cleaner company, to finally produce a product that doesn't suck. This stuff just writes itself.

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  8. Not likely to happen by dmomo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Smart homes and appliances have been the promise of the future for decades. And, for the past fifteen years or so, we've had all the technology that we need in order to achieve this. The problem is that the big players all want to own the workflow. You'll have to have a separate flipping app for everything you want to control. For the oven manufacturer, these features will be less about you having a more useful cooking tool, and more about a marketing deal with the software company that requires you operate the features through their walled garden. Sure, we'll have pockets of innovation, and even a few outliers that get it right, but I don't see it becoming anything more than a hodge podge of spotty functionality.. At least for the next decade or so.

    The solution will likely come from AI that can control those devices intelligently the way humans do, without waiting around for a standard protocol / interface.

  9. The last thing I would connect to the internet by El_Oscuro · · Score: 2

    Ultimately it means you'll be able to find a recipe online, have the ingredient list and preparation instructions sent to your mobile device,

    I already have that. Its called allrecipes (allrecipes.com) and conveniently allows me to check off ingredients I already have. Best of all, it is free.

    and your smart oven will be automatically configured with the correct settings.

    My oven is a device that if misconfigured can start fires or fill the house with explosive gas. It is about the last thing I would connect to the internet, especially with Micros~1 running it.

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  10. Re:Burn my house down by Wing_Zero · · Score: 2

    to be fair, you probably would have melted that tray with a "dumb" oven anyways....... (who looks in the oven before setting the Preheat for pizza? I don't)

  11. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 2

    There are fancy microwaves and ovens galore, with all kinds of flashiness on them.

    I buy the one with the lowest number of dials and without any electronics, if at all possible.

    Microwave: One dial power, other dial time.
    Oven: One dial for each component for temperature. One dial for On/Off/Lights/etc.

    I know IoT is "the big thing" this week, but I can't see what advantage I gain. I still have to have the ingredients, I have to go through a check-in /check-out process for every ingredient, I have to buy expensive appliances and hook them all up to the Internet somehow (even on wireless, they're just sucking up my wireless bandwidth), and then I have to find the app recipe, press lots of buttons and - hopefully - it'll put the oven on 220 degrees as specified in the recipe.

    Or I could just turn the dial to 220 as I read the recipe. And just because something is in the fridge doesn't mean that I want to use it, so I end up using up the last of the butter that I need for the NEXT recipe I was going to do, because the fridge told me I had enough, etc.

    There are some things in life which shouldn't be over-complicated and, if you are bothering to cook from ingredients, enjoy doing so. Don't let the app rule the experience.

    And it will all go wrong that day you press "Cook" on the train on the way home and the oven sets fire to that turkey you forgot you left in there last night and you come home to a pile of ashes.

    Some things technology can benefit, and it's usually the stuff that's NOT lauded about as features until we're all already using them that way (e.g. SMS). The "big name features" tend to be gimmicks and fads.

    Honestly, I don't WANT to manage my kitchen from an electronic device. If I don't want to bother to cook myself, I'll get takeaway or someone to do it for me. The day I have to wire the kitchen for Internet will remind me of the day I was required to install a specific driver to get a monitor to display things... I'll be reeling in horror and desperately hoping technology will backtrack before I'm forced to catch up.

    And this is from a guy with RFID entry to his side-gate, dashcams and GPS-tracker in his car, etc. ffs.