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Gyro-Copter Lands On West Lawn of US Capitol, Pilot Arrested

An anonymous reader writes that Doug Hughes, 61, a mailman from Ruskin, Florida was arrested for landing a gyro-copter on the West Lawn of the U.S. Capitol. "A 61-year-old Florida mailman was arrested Wednesday after he landed a gyrocopter on the U.S. Capitol west lawn. The gyrocopter was carrying the pilot and 535 stamped letters for members of Congress urging 'real reform' to campaign finance laws. Doug Hughes told the Tampa Bay Times ahead of the afternoon stunt that he notified authorities 'well over an hour in advance of getting to the no-fly zone, so they know who I am and what I'm doing.' Capitol police sent dogs and a bomb squad to the scene. Nothing hazardous was found. A city block from the Capitol had been cordoned off."

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  1. I can't really blame this guy by mrsam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cut the guy some slack. He simply wanted to fly to D.C.; he had his own gyrocopter, and he really didn't feel like having his nuts groped by the TSA.

    Can you really blame him?

    1. Re:I can't really blame this guy by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because having his nuts groped by the Secret Service will be a far superior experience.

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    2. Re:I can't really blame this guy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a couple thoughts...
      1) this guy is a nut. the fact that he is a post man and shows up with 535 *stamped* letters is super funny.
      2) gyrocopters are inherently funny. those things don't fly so much as fall through the air and manage not to crash. they remind me of bumblebees.
      3) maybe this is a woosh on my part, but the GP refers to TSA nut grabbing. This was just in the news yesterday cuz there was a bust at denver where a gay tsa officer was using coded signals to other officers so he would ahve the chance to grope people's nuts.

  2. Shocked he survived by netsavior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, I do not advocate the death penalty for stupidity, but I am shocked he wasn't hit by a sniper before he even crossed the property line.

    1. Re:Shocked he survived by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'd be fucking stupid to shoot him down like that.

      So instead of there being a helicopter in the air with a human at controls, doing what you suggest would result in a helicopter in the air with nobody controlling it.

      At least there's a chance of it being landed safely when there's a human controlling it.

      When nobody is controlling it, there's a much greater risk of it falling out of the sky and causing harm. It could land on buildings. It could land on vehicles. It could land on pedestrians and tourists. It could land on your own frigging cock and balls, for crying out loud.

    2. Re:Shocked he survived by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's a complete jackass for doing it in the first place.

      I applaud him. He's protesting what is the #1 problem in government today in a peaceful way that was sure to make headlines. The problem isn't people like him, the problem is people who are apathetic about the issue in the first place.

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    3. Re:Shocked he survived by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's protesting what is the #1 problem in government today

      The first amendment is the #1 problem? This guy is complaining because he doesn't like a court ruling that diminished the ability of labor unions (like his) to be allowed to spend money on political ads when other people weren't allowed to. He's upset about a court correctly finding that unequal protection under the law, and the government directly limiting political speech, was unconstitutional.

      in a peaceful way

      Yeah, by violating militarily enforced air space that could have involved the use of heavy weapons while he flies his cheeseball gyrocopter over crowds including bunches of children. In other words, he was willing to seriously risk other people's lives in a political stunt.

      the problem is people who are apathetic about the issue in the first place

      I'm not apathetic about the first amendment, are you?

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    4. Re: Shocked he survived by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      You're thinking logically. Politicians don't however. As such, it would have been perceived beneficial to shoot it down to send a message "don't fucking do that!".

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    5. Re:Shocked he survived by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Funny
      • It might have landed on a box
      • It might have landed on a fox
      • It might have landed on a house
      • It might have landed on a mouse
      • It might have landed here or there
      • It might have landed anywhere
      • it might be singing Joints and Jam
      • I do not like that Will-i-am
    6. Re:Shocked he survived by dryeo · · Score: 2

      One of the purposes of the first amendment is to allow petitioning the government and no where in the American Constitution is the government allowed to stop petitioners from arriving by air to exorcise their free speech right to petition Congress.

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    7. Re:Shocked he survived by Skidborg · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure "rich enough to fly a gyrocopter for a political stunt" overrides skin color at some point.

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    8. Re:Shocked he survived by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

      And what would a jet do? He would have been so small, slow and low, I don't expect that they could get a good lock for missiles, and they would have the backdrop of city streets if they went hot with guns. Their best bet would be to try to ram him as he passed over the river, risking an expensive jet for a minor stunt.

      A helicopter with a door-gun would have been the least-damaging to the surroundings, and they may not keep those on ready stand-by.

    9. Re:Shocked he survived by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it is correct to limit labor union's ability to spend due to unequal protection, then how can corporations not similarly be limited?

      Wow, you are really missing the point. You have it backwards. The law wasn't "loosened," it was struck down, in part, because it allowed some groups to do things like run political ads on TV while barring other groups from doing so. Regardless of that unequal treatment under the law, which favored some groups and companies over others, the main issue remains: telling people that they're not allowed to say things during an election is a direct violation of the first amendment. Period. The court came to the same inevitable conclusion. If you don't like the groups like Greenpeace or a labor union or the NRA can run opinion pieces on cable TV or in a newspaper ad, then you need to figure out how to let the government stop those people from saying what they think while not violating the first amendment. And then you have to apply that new speech-inhibiting law evenly to everyone.

      Personally, I think all labor union and corporate campaign contributions should be eliminated. "We the people..."

      So when you join a labor union or incorporate your business, you think you're surrendering your rights to free speech? What if you incorporate a landscaping business in your town, and some local politician says he's going to make it the focus of his term as mayor to prohibit all gasoline powered landscaping equipment in town. Do you really think that the would-be mayor should be allowed to say what he thinks about your business practices and equipment, but you and your fellow landscapers in town shouldn't be allowed to run an ad saying, "Don't elect Mr. Smith, because all of your local landscaping companies will end up out of business." Why do you think such political speech should be banned, but only when it's the business owners who speak it?

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    10. Re:Shocked he survived by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about a sniper, but he was in a no-fly zone. Don't they scramble jets when someone enters a no-fly zone? Especially near the Capitol. I assume they do, but I don't really know.

      Yes, usually...

      In this case, he wasn't on RADAR and the Secret Service knew he was coming. He was known to them and he had made prior contact to let them know of his publicity stunt.

    11. Re:Shocked he survived by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Informative

      Really. You're comparing a protest against a monarchy that was suppressing free speech (among many other very bad things), to a guy who decided to fly a dodgy piece of dangerous equipment with high speed rotors past crowds of tourists in order to register his complaint that we have a constitutional guarantee of free speech?

      If that is how you describe the aircraft he was flying, then you have no idea what you're talking about and you should really shut up before you embarrass yourself.

      The autogyro is one of the safest aircraft that exists, unlike a helicopter that only *CAN* autorotate (often like a brick), the autogyro is *ALWAYS* autorotating and lands that way without power every single time.

      It is not a "dodgy piece of dangerous equipment", it is actually very safe.

    12. Re:Shocked he survived by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you really think that the would-be mayor should be allowed to say what he thinks about your business practices and equipment, but you and your fellow landscapers in town shouldn't be allowed to run an ad saying, "Don't elect Mr. Smith, because all of your local landscaping companies will end up out of business.

      Yes, that's EXACTLY what I want. If you are so concerned about your business then you should use your PERSONAL funds to support the other candidate.

    13. Re:Shocked he survived by Duhavid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>If it is correct to limit labor union's ability to spend due to unequal protection, then how can corporations not similarly be limited?>Personally, I think all labor union and corporate campaign contributions should be eliminated. "We the people..."

      "So when you join a labor union or incorporate your business, you think you're surrendering your rights to free speech? "

      Absolutely not. Where did I give you that impression?
      Talk all you want.
      Campaign contributions, on the other hand, are not speech.
      They are the mechanism for election, and should be controlled to ensure that We the People are in charge.

      "What if you incorporate a landscaping business in your town, and some local politician says he's going to make it the focus of his term as mayor to prohibit all gasoline powered landscaping equipment in town. Do you really think that the would-be mayor should be allowed to say what he thinks about your business practices and equipment, but you and your fellow landscapers in town shouldn't be allowed to run an ad saying, "Don't elect Mr. Smith, because all of your local landscaping companies will end up out of business." Why do you think such political speech should be banned, but only when it's the business owners who speak it?"

      The business owners are still individuals and can participate in this debate to their hearts content, as can ( should ) all citizens ( citizens == non corporate, real people with the right to vote ).
      Why should business owners be able to effectively ban non-business owner from political speech by drowning them out with money?

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    14. Re:Shocked he survived by maple_shaft · · Score: 2

      You're defending his actions as an example of someone using his right to free speech, and ignoring the fact that his complaint is that there IS free political speech. He wants the government to limit political speech, not protect the freedom to make it.

      Are you seriously this dense? Money is not speech. The ability to use money to unfairly gain an advantage and monopolize information that is disseminated to the public is not speech. It would be akin to a public debate, where every time the other person speaks I blow an air horn so nobody can listen. People like you are defending his right to blow the air horn as a 1st amendment right.

      Freedom of speech yes but the very tenant of a functioning democracy requires at its core that people with something to say can be heard and that the electorate is able to easily hear all sides of the issue to make an informed decision. This overload of money in politics is nothing more than an attempt to create an information bubble with the intent to deceive the electorate from being truly informed.

  3. Delivering the Mail by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Funny

    A 61-year-old Florida mailman was arrested Wednesday after he landed a gyrocopter on the U.S. Capitol west lawn. The gyrocopter was carrying the pilot and 535 stamped letters for members of Congress urging 'real reform' to campaign finance laws.

    So in other words, they arrested a Federal Employee on Federal Property for doing his job.

    1. Re:Delivering the Mail by war4peace · · Score: 4, Informative

      My oh my.
      The Capitol hosts the Congress.
      The White House is the residence of the US President.

      The mailman landed at the US Capitol. Correct addressee.

      You mixed the Capitol with the White House. Who fucked up?

      (I'm Romanian and even I can tell the difference)

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    2. Re:Delivering the Mail by Invidious · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm fairly sure that such gyrocopters qualify as ultralight aircraft, and thus require no license.

    3. Re:Delivering the Mail by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you're fairly wrong. A gyrocopter is an aircraft and it requires a pilot's license.

      This one meets the "Light Sport Aircraft" criteria, which means the license is cheaper and easier to get, but you still have to go through flight training.

    4. Re:Delivering the Mail by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Funny
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      All sorts of dragons

      Mrs Cake

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    5. Re:Delivering the Mail by dpidcoe · · Score: 2

      A gyrocopter is an aircraft and it requires a pilot's license.

      Whether or not it's an ultralight is defined by weight and capabilities, not visual features.

    6. Re:Delivering the Mail by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they arrested an idiot who is supposed to have a pilot license who does not understand the concept of a 'no-fly-zone'.

      You might be the idiot. He fully understood all of the implications of what he was doing, and worked out several scenarios. His expected scenario was that a Blackhawk would be scrambled from Quantico, but would overfly him as he was flying so low and slow, and he hoped that by the time the Blackhawk caught up to him that they would have orders to not shoot him down. His biggest worries were that he would be shot down or that he wouldn't have the nerve to do it in the first place. I can't imagine the adrenaline going through him as he was flying across the national mall in sight of the Capitol without a single LEO or military aircraft in sight.

      http://www.tampabay.com/news/p...

      He's right, too. Campaign finance laws and all of the corruption that goes with them is the single largest problem with the current government, and apathy from people like you helps to ensure that it doesn't get fixed. Go on, citizen, stamp the vote card. R or D, your choice. Whichever R or D you want to pick will be just fine.

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    7. Re:Delivering the Mail by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      he's supposed to drop that mail off at a mail processing facility, not the Capitol itself.

      Such as the US post office in room HT-1 of the US Capitol?

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    8. Re:Delivering the Mail by Goetterdaemmerung · · Score: 2

      You need certification. here

      Your link appears to be based on Australia laws. In the US no license or permit is required to fly an ultralight aircraft. However everyone should receive training. The autogyros are extremely stable due to their design but of course unexpected things happen.

      As to the craft itself, I cannot tell from the article if it is an ultralight copter or a traditional one. Auto-gyros are somewhat difficult to achieve the ultralight weight restrictions but not impossible.

  4. Guy From Road Warrior... by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

    ...is now the SECOND-craziest SOB ever to fly one of those things.

  5. he should have used by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    a drone

  6. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by smaddox · · Score: 2

    One representative per ~500,000 citizens is not democracy.

  7. Re:Thank goodness the NSA is looking our for us by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

    Before he took off he also called his friend back home to tell him the plan. His friend had the business card of a Secret Service agent who had previously visited and interviewed them after hearing about his plan for a "big thing" to call attention to campaign finance reform. His friend called the Secret Service agent, got no answer, but left a message informing him of the impending flight. He never got a call back, and the authorities claimed they were not aware of the flight. So, yeah, bit of an intelligence failure there.

    Here's a much better article that includes a video at the bottom of him actually landing on the lawn, as well as the text of the letters he was trying to deliver. Note the complete lack of any resistance to him landing, the Capitol Police weren't out there and it took a little while to hear the first sirens.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/p...

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  8. Mail and autogyros go way back by magarity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the first produced autogyros was for mail delivery and landed on the White House lawn. That one got a trophy from Pres Hoover.

  9. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is the exact ratio between citizens and representatives which defines a democracy?

    All of this, of course, ignores the fact that the US is not, and has never been, an actual democracy. It is a Federal Republic.

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  10. Balls of steel by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a man. Even if you disagree with his message (I can't think of anyone who would) the sheer courage to go ahead with this plan is astounding. What a man. Can we donate to his legal fund yet?

    1. Re:Balls of steel by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      His message is that he wants the government to limit your ability to engage in free speech.

      There's a constant and deliberate conflation of money and speech going on in this country. They are not equivalent to each other.

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    2. Re:Balls of steel by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that you think it is remarkable that police did NOT beat somebody senseless or kill him is very worrying.

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    3. Re:Balls of steel by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      No. You fucking idiot.
      His message is that how much attention government officials PAY to political speech should not depend on how rich the speaker is.

      And that is why campaign finance reform is needed, because without it the ONLY people who get listened to AT ALL is the rich. Without it, you HAVE no freedoms unless the rich don't CARE that you have them - anything that bothers them can and will be revoked.

      Without campaign finance reform you don't live in a democracy OR a republic - hell you don't even live in an oligarchy ! You are living in a thinly disguised aristocracy ! The whole point of creating your country was to ESCAPE aristocracy and monarchy as systems of political power - and you're insisting that those who bravely fight back against the forces turning the USA into the very thing it was created to escape from are somehow the enemies of freedom.

      No my friend - the only enemy of freedom in this discussion is you, and the wealthy campaign donors you are defending.

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  11. going postal by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once he radioed in to tell them he was with the USPS the secret service knew for sure he could not possibly be an armed maniac.

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  12. Hughs' Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dear ___________,

    Consider the following statement by John Kerry in his farewell speech to the Senate —

    "The unending chase for money I believe threatens to steal our democracy itself. They know it. They know we know it. And yet, Nothing Happens!" — John Kerry, 2-13

    In a July 2012 Gallup poll, 87% tagged corruption in the federal government as extremely important or very important, placing this issue just barely behind job creation. According to Gallup, public faith in Congress is at a 41-year record low, 7%. (June 2014) Kerry is correct. The popular perception outside the DC beltway is that the federal government is corrupt and the US Congress is the major problem. As a voter, I'm a member of the only political body with authority over Congress. I'm demanding reform and declaring a voter's rebellion in a manner consistent with Jefferson's description of rights in the Declaration of Independence. As a member of Congress, you have three options.

    1. You may pretend corruption does not exist.

    2. You may pretend to oppose corruption while you sabotage reform.

    3. You may actively participate in real reform.

    If you're considering option 1, you may wonder if voters really know what the 'chase for money' is. Your dismal and declining popularity documented by Gallup suggests we know, but allow a few examples, by no means a complete list. That these practices are legal does not make them right! Obviously, it is Congress who writes the laws that make corruption legal.

    1. Dozens of major and very profitable corporations pay nothing in taxes. Voters know how this is done. Corporations pay millions to lobbyists for special legislation. Many companies on the list of freeloaders are household names — GE, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Verizon, Citigroup, Dow

    2. Almost half of the retiring members of Congress from 1998 to 2004 got jobs as lobbyists earning on average fourteen times their Congressional salary. (50% of the Senate, 42% of the House)

    3. The new democratic freshmen to the US House in 2012 were 'advised' by the party to schedule 4 hours per day on the phones fund raising at party headquarters (because fund raising is illegal from gov't offices.) It is the donors with deep pockets who get the calls, but seldom do the priorities of the rich donor help the average citizen.

    4. The relevant (rich) donors who command the attention of Congress are only .05% of the public (5 people in a thousand) but these aristocrats of both parties are who Congress really works for. As a member of the US Congress, you should work only for The People.

    1. Not yourself.

    2. Not your political party.

    3. Not the richest donors to your campaign.

    4. Not the lobbyist company who will hire you after your leave Congress.

    There are several credible groups working to reform Congress. Their evaluations of the problem are remarkably in agreement though the leadership (and membership) may lean conservative or liberal. They see the corrupting effect of money — how the current rules empower special interests through lobbyists and PACs — robbing the average American of any representation on any issue where the connected have a stake. This is not democracy even if the ritual of elections is maintained.

    The various mechanisms which funnel money to candidates and congress-persons are complex. It happens before they are elected, while they are in office and after they leave Congress. Fortunately, a solution to corruption is not complicated. All the proposals are built around either reform legislation or a Constitutional Amendment. Actually, we need both — a constitutional amendment and legislation.

    There will be discussion about the structure and details of reform. As I see it, campaign finance reform is the cornerstone of building an honest Congress. Erect a wall of separation between our elected officials and big money. This you must do — or your replacement will do. A corporation is not 'people' and no individ

  13. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by sexconker · · Score: 2

    It would be much MORE workable.
    Bribery and blackmail would have to hit 10 times as many targets to be as effective. Deadlocks would be more easily broken through. The sharp edge of partisan lines would become blurrier. People would have an actual chance of meeting and talking to their representatives outside of some lip service campaign event or writing a big fat check.

  14. the real crazy: by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Informative

    most americans agree with him

    he could have chosen a better way to make his point. but he'll be prosecuted, and the corruption will continue

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    1. Re:the real crazy: by mishehu · · Score: 2

      What "better" way would that be? Seems to me guy's got balls of steel or is mentally unstable.. I'm going with the former, and I think I'll contribute to his needs-stronger-underwear-to-hold-his-steel-balls fund. :-)

  15. He had what he needed by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's gotta come from the right clearance to get there.

    Come on, he had AT LEAST 100 feet of clearance. If that's not enough I don't know what is.

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  16. That's not very smart by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Step 1) Call/email ahead and say you are totally harmless.
    Step 2) Fly/Drive/Swim vehicle packed to the gill with explosives right into your target without bother.
    Step 3) Prophet!

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  17. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by bondsbw · · Score: 2

    Why do we even need to elect our representatives? Consider this: if a rep gets 51% of the vote in the district, then nearly half the people are not represented. On top of this we have gerrymandering. If 80 out of 100 districts are 51% for party A and 49% for party B, and the other 20 districts are 100% for party B, you can easily see that despite having a real majority, party B has no actual power. Pretty sucky if you ask me.

    No... I have a different answer:

    Appointing our representation. In this system, each representative carries one vote for every person who appoints him or her. Taking the above scenario, if 51,000 people appointed rep A and 49,000 appoint rep B, then rep A gets 51,000 votes in congress and rep B gets 49,000 votes. But consider what that does to the 100 districts... now party A has 4,080,000 votes and party B has 5,920,000 votes on every issue... exactly what it should be.

    Appointment-based representation is fair, and it removes the power of gerrymandering.

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  18. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by bondsbw · · Score: 2

    And I am aware of a few kinks that would need to be resolved. If you keep the current districts, there would need to be more seats as now there are multiple representatives per district. And what if 20 people run for a district and get votes, should all 20 get seats? Probably not.

    Some possibilities:

    - Reduce the number of districts.
    - Limit the number of representatives allowed per district.
    - Perhaps, just get rid of districts. If someone from across my state represents me better than someone local, then perhaps my appointment should not be limited by borders drawn for an election system that would no longer be in place.

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  19. A different takeaway message by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 2

    I will donate $1000 to the first Super PAC willing to make federal gyrocopter subsidy a top priority. (Seriously those things are awesome, but we still don't have a good tipjet solution.)

  20. Re:Well that's rather the point by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about an auto-gyro with 30 lbs or so of C4? Do you still want the "human at the controls"? You don't know what the intentions are, you just know it's very illegal to be there yet there he is.

    This man was known to the Secret Service, they even interviewed him a year or so before this, on a tip that he would do JUST THIS.

    In addition, he called the Secret Service an hour before he got there to let them know he was coming and why. The press also called them because he was in contact with the press to let them know this was a publicity stunt.

  21. Re:Just get rid of democracy instead by dave420 · · Score: 4, Informative

    A country being a republic or not has absolutely nothing to do with being a democracy. And being federal also has nothing to do with being a democracy. These are orthogonal notions - a republic simply means a country without a hereditary or dynastic leader. It can be a democracy, or a dictatorship, or anything in between. A federal republic means simply a group of republics cooperating on common matters of interest while governing their own internal affairs - again, it has nothing to do with democracy. One could have a federal dictatorship, if one really wanted. Hell, there are non-republics which are democracies (Britain is a good example). Why do so many people have such difficulties with these words? The concepts are childishly easy to grasp. Why you got a +4 for telling everyone you don't know what those words means is beyond me :)

    The phrase you are probably looking for is "representative democracy".

  22. Don't forget the message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no democracy when corporations are allowed unlimited campaign donations, have the rights of 'people', and can direct their media/news to support their candidates..

    If all the information most of the population get is from controlled sources, then theres no hope for "3rd party" and nothing will ever really change..
    Republican or democratic parties, Bush, Obama... Other than token issues theres no difference. :(

    Remember folks the wealthiest 400(four hundred) people in the USA own more assets than the lower 150 million(150,000,000) people combined.