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KDE Plasma 5.3 Beta Brings Lot of Improvements

Posted by timothy on from the gui-not-gooey dept.

jones_supa writes: The KDE project today announced the release of KDE Plasma 5.3 beta. It brings better power management, improved Bluetooth support, improved widgets, Wayland support, new media center, and nearly 350 bugfixes. The power management improvements include settings that can be independently configured per activity, there is a new energy usage monitor available in KInfoCenter, and a battery applet identifies applications that hog power. Bluetooth applet brings added support for blocking and unblocking devices. New touchpad module has been added as well. The combined window manager and compositor KWin is now able to start a nested XWayland server, which acts as a bridge between the old X11 and the new Wayland world.

64 comments

  1. Plasma Media Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow. The KDE Plasma Media Center screenshot looks like Windows Metro dropped some acid and shat on the monitor.

    Why. Why must every UI now have flat, jarring colors?

    1. Re:Plasma Media Center by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2

      I feel your pain; I hate this shift toward flat soulless UIs.

      Personally I think KDE 4's Oxygen was beautiful but it isn't flat enough by today's standards apparently. As for Windows I feel Windows Vista was the pinnacle of Window's appearance because personally I found it very pleasing to look at and very easy on the eyes unlike Modern UI with its flat clash of colors.

    2. Re:Plasma Media Center by alvinrod · · Score: 0

      Vista was also a resource hogging monstrosity that had issues running on a lot of older hardware. With more and more computers being ultra-portables or notebooks that don't have exceptionally powerful CPUs in a desire for better battery life, a flat UI that isn't trying to display a ridiculous number of intensive effects is going to provide a better experience.

      Now whether this is a well-made flat UI is certainly open to debate, but I won't miss the style-over-substance approach that seemed to plague UI design for so long.

    3. Re:Plasma Media Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Aero desktop is not very resource-intensive. The performance problems Vista had were related to high memory usage and disk activity.

    4. Re:Plasma Media Center by AC-x · · Score: 1

      If it's good enough for Picard, it should be good enough for you! :)

    5. Re:Plasma Media Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's good enough for Picard, it should be good enough for you! :)

      Haha, oh man that's funny! I had forgotten about that. Just goes to show you how ahead of its time Star Trek was.

      LCARS is *still* way more advanced than our new GUIs. They can draw rounded corners on their UI elements ;) Maybe that'll be in KDE Plasma 6.

    6. Re:Plasma Media Center by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, still in love with and using KDE4 Oxygen atm, heh.

    7. Re:Plasma Media Center by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      They can draw rounded corners on their UI elements ;) Maybe that'll be in KDE Plasma 6.

      Unfortunately, it appears that CBS Studios owns the patent* on rounded corners in the UI.

      * yes I know it's actually a copyright; but that doesn't quite make the joke, does it?

    8. Re:Plasma Media Center by allo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but this is bullshit.
      A recent windows or even osx features buttons, which are for example grey with black text on a lightgrey dialog, or colorful window decoration buttons, but without even a tiny 3D effect distinguishing them from the titlebar.

      Even win95 had a gui, where a button were a button and not a rectangular area with a slightly different color.

    9. Re:Plasma Media Center by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 1

      Honestly I like them, not because I think they are pretty and more because they are easier to implement and copy, as a dev it makes my life easier. Personally I like gradients and dark colors better, but I care so little about these things that I don't even change the wallpaper on my computers.

    10. Re:Plasma Media Center by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      a flat UI that isn't trying to display a ridiculous number of intensive effects is going to provide a better experience.

      I miss CGA graphics too.

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    11. Re:Plasma Media Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, still in love with and using KDE4 Oxygen atm, heh.

      Ditto. Oxygen was the first time I was actually happy with the default widget style in any environment I'd used (at the time that meant Xfce, KDE 1/2/3/4, GNOME 1/2, WindowMaker, Windows 95-XP, and some more niche window managers). I didn't feel the need to change it, and I'm still using it now, albeit with custom colour scheme.

      It also has the bonus of being, in proper KDE fashion, ridiculously configurable. One of my favourite features is the "window-specific overrides" because it lets you do things like hide window title bars, either on a per-app basis or universally (by making a rul for window class name ".*"). If you want to maximise vertical space, it's a great way to do it. There are shortcuts for various window controls already, like alt+left click to move and alt+rightclick to resize, so the titlebar is largely unnecessary

  2. Oh yeah? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    there is a new energy usage monitor available in KInfoCenter, and a battery applet identifies applications that hog power

    And how much power does that consume? :-P

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    1. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is a new energy usage monitor available in KInfoCenter, and a battery applet identifies applications that hog power

      And how much power does that consume? :-P

      If it's significant, I'm sure it'll identify itself.

    2. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, like the Gnome2/Mate System Monitor - always right at the top of the list (unless you really have some other CPU hog running).

  3. Minty Plasma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will Mint KDE have Plasma 5?
    I need me plasma!

  4. Ouhhh, that hurts! by udippel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and I am a KDE-person. Wow, holy sh**. I fled from Gnome to KDE some years ago, happy so far, and now it seems I have to look again; for a place to escape. A place that I can configure freely, and one that does not look like a Metro-Spin-Off. Yep, the screenshot on the ostatic-blog mentioned in the summary looks exactly - no, not the same, but like a similar mental breakdown of the people behind the design.
    On KDE 'Activities' were fine, though abandonware before ever fully developed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug..... For ages, I have been sitting on my personal configuration of the 'plasma-netbook'. With a 1920x1200 24" monitor. Meaning, *a lot* of reconfiguration. I tried Plasma 5, and - gone it was! Okay, I could stay on Plasma 4 for some more time, though the writing seems to be on the wall. Why do some people tend to think that the market leader is the market leader for their cr** desktop designs? I can promise you one thing, 'Year of Linux on the desktop' or not - none of my Windows users has ever told me how beautiful the desktop was. On the contrary, they usually preferred mine aesthetically, and theirs for the simplicity of functions.
     

    1. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Aesthetically, I much prefer Windows 8 over 7, and Plasma 5 over 4.

      Years ago, I remember similar outcries when XP introduced its bloated UI, and then Vista (and 7) made borders thicker and made things transparent. I'm sure there are some people who really truly have issues with reduced clutter in their UI, but for most people I have a feeling they just don't like things that aren't exactly what they are used to.

      If only there were ways to mod the user interface...

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    2. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by asdfj · · Score: 0

      I haven't messed with many desktop environments since I usually just use dwm, but lately I've been impressed with XFCE for when I need a real GUI desktop.

      Anyone wanna do my second-guessing for me? What are the common criticisms of XFCE? I'm always down to check out alternatives.

    3. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 1

      Try Canonical Unity. I never liked Gnome, while I was OK with GTK programs. Then with Unity, I'm pretty fine. It has good defaults. I was a KDE user since version 2, loved 3, but I faced annoying bugs, even with the latest 4 releases (like systray icons leaking memory, every KDE upgrade disabling Oxygen theme, icon-only taskbar freeze issues, etc). Then, after Ubuntu started this own shell, I gave a chance in 12.04, which was fine, and a way improved in 14.04. I.e., while some people left Ubuntu due change to Unity, I started to use it for this reason.

    4. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      " I tried Plasma 5, and - gone it was! "

      What was gone?

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    5. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years ago, I remember similar outcries when XP introduced its bloated UI

      There was very little reason for outcries. I selected properties on the task bar and put it in classic mode and turned off animated menus. Instant improvement and I never looked back.

      There may be times when I choose fancy over functional, but never in my OS and never on my desktop.

    6. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If only there were ways to mod the user interface...

      Heh, indeed.

      BUT... I'm trying to use Windows 7 on a monitor with 89 dpi. Windows does not go under 96 dpi. Oops.

      Second, Windows fonts suck. I've did all I can to minimize that problem. My last (successful) attempt was tweaking the monitor to the right amount of sharpness. Cleartype is specially bad as one has no control about the dreaded RGB subpixel-antialias -- yes, one can regedit but:

      a) Windows is supposed to be easier not harder than Linux (but just look at those HREF_BS variables and you'll find gconf gorgeous) and
      b) I'm forbidden to do it at work (certainly for security reasons).

      Now, back to what really matters and is on-topic.

      In the near future I'll probably change to Plasma 5 -- both because I'll want and because my distribution will make it default.

      I've been thinking and would appreciate if one kindly could inform me of some way to produce a log file with all my tweaks and how to convert them to a script with kwriteconfig (or merge with another tool) in order to avoid retyping all the tweaks -- they take the best part of an entire evening and some more on the following days.

      I've been doing it since the KDE2 days and the number of tweaks only grows. KDE is too powerful and I'm quite demanding, and I really use my tweaks... it's not just for looks (well, mostly, some 5% may be just for better looks).

      The problem is that KDE comes configured to be like Windows, which is really off-putting.

      There's this excellent article (beware of the link pointing to a script!):

        https://opensource.com/business/15/3/automating-linux-install

      But that's not exactly what I need. My main interest is really just automating the KDE configuration. That may even already exist and I don't know about it.

      I thought even about using diff on the config files, but I wonder if someone hasn't already took the trouble.

    7. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      System Settings -> Workspace Apperence (or any other option in that category) -> Get New Decorations. Problem solved. Or are you just the kind of person who like to cry over spilt milk?

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    8. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by udippel · · Score: 1

      But that's not what I'm interested in.
      Like the other, rather idiot suggestion to change the background decoration. We are not in W95 last millennium.
      I have set up a panelless desktop that I use at home and at work. It is based on the netbook-plasma 'Search and Launch' activity. I couldn't care less about background image, what I want is my panelless all edge-event based desktop. What's the point then of telling me about the beauties of XFCE, Unity, or what not.
      To me panels are cluttered, overloaded one-dimensional items (at least, usually they are in a single line with items popping up in the orthogonal direction). Whereas I like a clean desktop with a 2-dimensional arrangement of launchers, groups and whatnot. Popping up for me is - no, not a hidden panel - a 2-dimensional display of reduced applications. Yep, a tad like OSX, and still no panel.

      Should anyone be able to point out a desktop that allows this, I'd be happy to know. Or even better: KDE just keeping what it has, and migrate it to Plasma 5 which has clear technical advantages.

    9. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replying to myself before someone else mentions it.

      There are ways to copy KDE configuration in its entirety, like mentioned in this link:

      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1373387

      The problem with replacing configuration files is that you might lose a new config the previous version didn't have.

      Ah, this might help:

      http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63425/how-to-use-patch-and-diff-to-merge-two-files

      I thought if diff exists, there should be a command to do the opposite -- i.e. to merge the differences to an existing file.

      That command is called "merge". Well, I'll do some experimenting another day to see how it goes. There's also the danger of deprecated options.

    10. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      When support for XP ended I tried various flavours of Kali linux plus most of the "spice rack". KDE wouldn't let me change anything, for some unknown reason, and most of the others were pretty restrictive in one way or another. I did keep brief notes, but I can't find them right now.

      In the end I went with mate; it works by default pretty much like gnome 2, which I was used to from CentOS 5 & 6.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    11. Re:Ouhhh, that hurts! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Back in the days of Redhat 7, wasn't KDE good and gnome crap? I'll have to dust off that old machine that I use as a footrest and see what's on it.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  5. Another major project hijacked by lunatics by fnj · · Score: 1

    KDE has officially gone to hell. Nice knowin' ya, see ya later. I say this as a former aficionado. IMO KDE3 was the pinnacle; KDE4 was barely acceptable; KDE5 is junk. Lumina looks like the only DE with hope for the future. For now I'm pretty happy with Mate because it is identical to Gnome2.

    1. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gnome 2 is not developed anymore. If you liked Gnome 2 then you should really check out Gnome 3, which builds on a lot of technology from Gnome 2 but is much more modern and heavily improved.

    2. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lol, no.

    3. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome 2 is not developed anymore. If you liked Gnome 2 then you should really check out Gnome 3, which builds on a lot of technology from Gnome 2 but is much more modern and heavily improved.

      That is some funny shit right there. Thanks for that. Someone mod this funny!

    4. Re: Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, you can check out Mate which is a fork of GNOME 2 if you don't like the bloat that comes with 3.

    5. Re: Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, MATE builds on Gnome 2 using the vastly improved GTK3 technologies like gobject-introspection. Gnome 3 is garbage, made by arrogant HI/UI/UX people according to a menagerie of contradictory policies, each of utmost branding importance to their vision.

    6. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rather thought hey the lunatics are still at it!

      Lol Plasma.
        I stopped caring what 10 years ago?
      And Gnome was so crappy on its own right that the only sane choice was to move to a real window manager.
      Since I started using tiling wms, I never looked back.

    7. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by HatofPig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      KDE5 isn't even out yet. We are at a transition place since they broke the project up into it's constituent parts. But KDE Plasma 5, the desktop, is great. I'm using it right now, posting from a seven year old piece of shit Dell office computer and it's snappy, responsive, and well laid out. Way better than KDE 4, I don't know how you could think otherwise. Just switch to the classic KDE menu + dynamic search box, get a new theme from KHotNewStuff, and enjoy.

      I like the default settings, but judging KDE on it's defaults, like what seems to be happening a lot, is pointless. KDE is like Foobar2000, power-users like enjoy that there is some assembly required.

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    8. Re:Another major project hijacked by lunatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern yes, improved no. At least I do not call feature removals a improvement.

  6. Slashdotters have Baby Duck Syndrome by Merk42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Given the comments here and the article about Google Maps, both should be filed under the everything-new-is-bad dept.

    1. Re:Slashdotters have Baby Duck Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      says the google glass owner...

    2. Re:Slashdotters have Baby Duck Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Stop not liking what I like!"

    3. Re: Slashdotters have Baby Duck Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll not like what I like when I like to, not when you would not like me to like it.

  7. Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by dlenmn · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems that a number of commenters are blowing their fuses about the screenshot in TFA. The screenshot is of the media center _not_ the desktop. I agree that the media center looks ugly, but IMHO, the actual desktop (i.e. KDE Plasma) looks nice. Look at screenshots of KDE Plasma 5.3 before passing judgement. (No, I won't link to them; use google.)

    1. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. It looks very similar to previous versions. Nice thing with KDE is you can usually customize it to however you want it to look

      https://www.kde.org/announceme...

    2. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that a number of commenters are blowing their fuses about the screenshot in TFA. The screenshot is of the media center _not_ the desktop. I agree that the media center looks ugly, but IMHO, the actual desktop (i.e. KDE Plasma) looks nice. Look at screenshots of KDE Plasma 5.3 before passing judgement. (No, I won't link to them; use google.)

      You mean like this screenshot. It doesn't exactly validate your point.
      Perhaps you should link to screenshots so that people will understand what you mean.

      Also, you typically showcase the better part of a product when you want to show it. There is no reason to believe that the things not shown looks better than the things that were shown.
      Anyway, I won't worry too much. I'm not running KDE anymore and this release doesn't really want me to switch to it again. I'm extremely indifferent about it and I highly doubt that they care much about me not caring either. There is clearly a target userbase for KDE that doesn't include me.

    3. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It'll be interesting to try it out once it's stable enough. Totally not wanting a redo of the nightmare that happened at the beginning of KDE4

    4. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by mike449 · · Score: 1

      Ok, here is one. I didn't even have to google.
      https://www.kde.org/announceme...

    5. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by vilanye · · Score: 1

      Plasma 5 is flat and ugly.

      The destroyed the KDE menu. Instead of easy to use tabs, it uses a vertical menu bar where most of the menu is below your screen.

      It is an ugly mess.

    6. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by HatofPig · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Flat and ugly" only by default! Unlike Windows, or Mac OS, it is highly reconfigurable and themable. If you don't like it, you can change it.

      I can't believe the fussing in this thread about aesthetics, KDE Plasma 5 is amazingly function, it's the best yet. Yeah, I dislike the new menu too. But with a right-click you can switch to the greatest-ever rendition of the classic KDE Menu which now finally features a dynamic search box. Not only that, it includes the option to collapse all sub-menu hierarchies to a single sub-menu beyond the main one. No more pointless "Science" or "Mathematics" sub-menus in the "Education" menu, which probably only has 5 things in it anyway.

      KDE Plasma 5 is so much better than 4. In the later 5.x series I think we will finally reach quality-parity with KDE 3.5.

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    7. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But with a right-click you can switch to the greatest-ever rendition of the classic KDE Menu

      Joe Sixpack & Granny Cookiebaker aren't going to do that.

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    8. Re:Calm down about the screenshot in TFA by vilanye · · Score: 1

      The KDE menu is horrible!

      The "old" KDE 4 menu had dynamic search also.

      The "you can change it" excuse is lame.

      Ugly by default is not good policy.

  8. I used to love it but... by denisbergeron · · Score: 1

    It is so slow. To much everything everywhere too complex.
    Well Mate/Cinnamon/XFCE suit my taste better.

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  9. Screen shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everyone freaking out over one low res screen shot?

    One of the (eventual) great things about KDE 4 and even more with KDE 5 is all the interfaces are built with QML... which is easily modifiable. If the release looks like crap, many people will jump in with new themes, and port old themes if they don't already exist. The look and feel of KDE is extremely flexible. What has mattered with KDE isn't the look, but the functionality (and customizability). This was the problem with early KDE 4 releases... not the look... the functionality sucks. I don't know how KDE 5 is going to work functionally... maybe it will suck too...

    But no one is criticizing functionality here... just the look of one random little screen shot?

    Seriously, slashdot?

    1. Re:Screen shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But you can change it" isn't a very strong argument for having utterly shit defaults. The default theme is the first thing the user sees, and as a result is largely what they judge the entire system by.

      Car analogy: if every Ford came off the line looking like a clown painted it to cause epileptic seizures and Ford's response to criticism was "if you don't like it, repaint it yourself", how popular do you think their brand would be?

    2. Re:Screen shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If all it took was a couple of mouse clicks to repaint it any way you like, and the cost was zero, I'd say pretty damn popular.

    3. Re:Screen shot by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and find a default of anything that 100% of users will like. Chances are people have different opinions, often diametrically opposed from one another. No matter what you do, there will be a non-zero percent of people unhappy. These people will then be a vocal minority, because it's in human nature to be vocal about something negative than something positive, and it will seem like the default doesn't work for anyone at all.

    4. Re:Screen shot by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Making an interface look JUST the way one wants is often a heck of a lot more investment than "a couple of mouse clicks." I've spent hours configuring a desktop environment before. Tweaking everything from colors to window behaviors to terminal transparencies (not only for looking good, but good compositing can really help with maximising screen real-estate by allowing informational/reference pages to reside behind a well positioned terminal) to button positioning to general aesthetic fixes to allow myself to adjust to a better mood just by viewing the desktop (I usually set my wallpapers to my favorite picture of my wife, so at a click of the button - there she is). While the financial cost for doing this is generally zero, there's certainly an opportunity cost involved in configuring ones workspace to be appealing in such a manner that it doesn't make one's eyes bleed out of the sockets to have to look at the thing...like metro-stylized graphics do for me.

      I had no complaints for the look of any User Interface I've had to use for most operating systems, even Unity...until tiles became a thing. It's not that it's different. I can handle different, and have....It's that metro is visually harsh and feels like razorblades having to look at it. I don't even like looking at websites that use tile-like themes (though my super likes putting those into pages he develops for the Company).

      I don't know...I tend to like being able to arrange my workflow in 3 dimensional levels on my screen, allowing active panes to take the front, with informational items filling the screens behind. Transparencies facilitate this even more, along with slight blurring to give more a feeling of depth...which I can use as prioritization organization on a filled screen. The clearer an object, the closer it is, which means the higher priority in the flow it'll have. Having Metro, where everything is forced flat, or forced to look flat...It breaks the way I flow.

  10. The usual trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am the desktop manager, you will do exactly as I tell you to do, or nothing at all.

    The developers of these idiotic desktop environments (KDE and Gnome) seem to think that they have a God-given right to tell us what it is that we can and cannot do, and how to do it. Those environments insist in being the star of the show, the masters, that every so often will be gracious enough to grant you the capability to do what you want to do, usually just presenting all sorts of obstacles to prevent you to do anything, unless you do it in a way royally approved by them.

    KDE and Gnome can burn in hell.

  11. Sorry to interrupt, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    may the pitchfork and torches mob please STFU?

    If you dont like the look activate a different fucking theme. It is really that simple. I am running plasma 5.2 with the oxygen look without issues. This is not rocket science. Most of the "look like some old version" things were done quite a while ago and you are only a few clicks away from [downloading and] using it.

    And to everyone that bitches about things not being configurable anymore:
    Did you even install the new version? The KDE crowd has always been known to put knobs and switches for almost everything into their stuff and I have yet to find something that I dont like which isnt configurable in some way. I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Feel free to continue fretting about stuff that isnt even true, if it makes you feel better ;-)

    1. Re:Sorry to interrupt, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but if it's not how I want it, then it's logical that it's not how anyone wants it. It's not like people have different preferences. My way is the ~one true way~.

  12. I can't be the only one thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on Windows 10!

  13. Correct Link by allo · · Score: 1

    https://www.kde.org/announceme...

  14. Here we go again by overshoot · · Score: 1

    KDE 4 broke a lot of the functions I used on 3 (like, for instance, email. KMail was great, now I'm stuck with the inferior but functional Thunderbird). And they never did fix them. Still broken and worse with every revision.

    So I'm dreading the day when the only supported KDE will be the still-not-fully-functional version 5. What have they broken now, never to fix?

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    1. Re:Here we go again by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      KDE 4 broke a lot of the functions I used on 3 (like, for instance, email. KMail was great, now I'm stuck with the inferior but functional Thunderbird). And they never did fix them. Still broken and worse with every revision.

      So I'm dreading the day when the only supported KDE will be the still-not-fully-functional version 5. What have they broken now, never to fix?

      Speaking as someone who only started using KDE after 4 had stabilized, what did they break in Kmail?

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