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LAUSD OKs Girls-Only STEM School, Plans Boys-Only English Language Arts School

theodp writes: Citing statistics that showed a whopping 46 more boys than girls passed the AP Computer Science Exam in 2011-12, the 640,000+ student Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) on Tuesday approved a waiver to enable the District to operate a single-gender, all-girls STEM School called the Girls Academic Leadership Academy (GALA). Students in GALA will follow a six year sequence of computer courses starting in middle school that will culminate in AP Computer Science Principles. "Fewer females take AP courses in math, science, or computer science, and they are not as successful as males in receiving passing scores of 3, 4 or 5," argued the General Waiver Request (PDF, 700+ pages). "An all girls environment is reasonably necessary for the school to improve the self-confidence of girls in their academic abilities, especially in STEM areas where an achievement gap currently exists. GALA's admissions shall also comply with AB 1266 to ensure male students who identify as female are admitted to the school." The school's CS-related Partners include the UCLA Exploring Computer Science Program, as well as Google-bankrolled Girls Who Code, Black Girls Code, and NCWIT. One of the reasons the all-girls STEM school reportedly got the green light is that its backers satisfied federal regulations requiring a "substantially equal school" for excluded male students by submitting a plan for a companion all-boys school that would emphasize English Language Arts, where they often fall short of girls' test scores, rather than GALA's focus on STEM. One suspects the no-fan-of-gender-restricted-public-schools ACLU may call BS on this maneuver.

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  1. I thought we were trying to end sexism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet we are just creating more and more by bullshit like this. Usually it's just for women's benefit, but in this case there's also discrimination against gals too.

    Why can't we just end this bullshit and let children grow up to do want they want to do?

    1. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet we are just creating more and more by bullshit like this. Usually it's just for women's benefit, but in this case there's also discrimination against gals too.

      Why can't we just end this bullshit and let children grow up to do want they want to do?

      Because. This is the sort of shite people with an activist streak get caught up in any more,

      leaving important worries like electing good people to govern us languishing on the back burner.

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    2. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by operagost · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm all for sexism. Now, what are we going to do to reverse the trend of fewer and fewer males attending and graduating college? How about the lack of male veterinarians and elementary school teachers?

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    3. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by morgauxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I thought we were trying to end sexism?"

      Nope! What ever gave you that idea?!?! The only people who have any interest in doing that are the ones who never talk about it. The moment someone talks about it they are obviously trying to tip the scales one way or the other.

      "Why can't we just end this bullshit and let children grow up to do want they want to do?"

      Should I let my daughter chose her school? She is 5, next year will be kindergarten. The school in our district has horrible test scores and we are very concerned. Do you think she has all the knowlege, wisdom and maturity to make that kind of decision herself?

      At Maker Faire last year I came across a booth for our local tech high school. I'm very interested in all things tech myself and would love to see her grow up the same. One of the kids at the booth started talking to me.. he told me how the school was so great because there was no sports art or music stuff. They could spend all day working on "STEM".

      Now I wish everyone would learn more science and technology but hearing this kid go on about how great it was to not have any sports or arts and smiling about it.. I found that rather apalling!

      Balance people! Be a well rounded individual! Otherwise you really are losing out on something great!

      So.. unless she really really wants this... and then.. only after much discussion I don't intend to send her to THAT school!

      So... now in an effort to reduce the imbalances between sexes even more children will be subjected to unbalanced educations.

      Yay progress!

      Then again... from what I remember of going to a 'normal' school.. they were pretty unbalanced already. Mostly towards big reading, writing and social studies programs with stunted science and technology classes. Although.. they seemed to do ok with math.

    4. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because - as stated in the summary you just read - that's clearly not working. There is no biological reason for females to not perform as well in these subjects, and as they do not, the workforce is missing out on workers. Those missed workers are clearly a resource that the industry would love to have access to.

      Sometimes to fight fire we use fire, just as sometimes to fight sexism, gender-specific measures are required to restore the balance. Sexism based on unfounded nonsense is detrimental to all involved, whereas constructive sexism intelligently implemented & designed to correct such a situation is beneficial to everyone. Taking a ridiculously black and white position is only going to further sexism.

    5. Re: I thought we were trying to end sexism? by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Based on my experiences at work, there are lots of 'boys' that really don't give a damn and would have been happier in other careers anyway.

      I'm actually in favor of gender-segregated junior high schools, mainly because of the showboating that goes on due to the hormones. It's been demonstrated that it's significantly curtailed when the other gender isn't present to display toward.

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    6. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by James+Clay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you know that "[t]here is no biological reason for females to not perform as well in these subjects"? Are you asserting that our brains are the same, because I assure you they are not.

    7. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yah, thankfully things are a breeze for skinny math geeks interested in computers at school, jocks were never discouraging. Not to mention how nerds are depicted in movies/TV, nothing to discourage, nope.

    8. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by Squiddie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What a load of bullshit. How are women "discouraged" from anything like that? I take it women who are discouraged by simple words or competitiveness are too stupid, so who gives a shit? I wasn't encouraged when I was young. I actually had to jump through loops to get education in the US, and I paid more for it, and I still got my degree. Maybe women that are already born here should quit whining about being discouraged. You'll find it's mostly people without a degree in the field that whine about it. Maybe they should have taken a major in engineering instead of women's studies.

    9. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a father of two boys in their early/pre teens, I call bullshit. I have never heard of any movements to direct my kids into any fields that they don't naturally gravitate to. In fact at a recent high school meeting, I was encouraged to send my child to vo-tech since he doesn't seem to be interested in high school (he is doing poorly in English and Spanish, practically straight As in Algebra and Chemistry), but he's a boy, so he should go fix cars and do plumbing, not STEM, never STEM.

      Perhaps you don't see the sexism because you don't have boys at that age, but as someone who does, and lives in a liberal state, I can see for sure that it happens against boys as much as for girls.

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    10. Re:I thought we were trying to end sexism? by s0nicfreak · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm a real girl with real experiences.
      I was made fun of for being a nerd as a kid, and therefore "discouraged" from it... but the male nerds were made fun of just the same.

      As a child, I got special treatment and encouragement from teachers for being a female that was into STEM type stuff. I remember getting into all sorts of special events and programs for girls while the males that were just the same were excluded. I remember getting all sorts of support because my mom resented my "ungirlyness" - but there was no support for the male nerds with fathers bullying them for not being "manly" enough and into sports and such.

      As a teenager, I also got encouragement in the form of male attention (from the males into the same things) for being into it. I did not get attention from the males not into the same things... but the males did not get attention from females not into the same things.

      As an adult, my gender is irrelevant until/unless I make it an issue. I know a lot of smart women that are not attractive... but it has nothing to do with them being smart; it has everything to do with them prioritizing intelligence based interests over keeping themselves looking attractive. People find them unattractive BEFORE realizing they are smart. (But would you really want to be with those people? Looks will fade for everyone eventually, so keep holding out for that rare person who's going to love you for your mind.)

      EVERYONE is made fun of, EVERYONE is found attractive by certain people but not by others (especially if they don't try at the most common ideals of attractiveness)... male or female, it doesn't matter. To suggest that females deserve a "get out of everything free" card just for being female is sexist.

  2. Only in america by FictionPimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only america could create a society that tells me I should feel bad for finding a career I enjoy in a well paying field.

  3. As well the ACLU should by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This country has fought long and hard to remove segregation and discrimination and it is not acceptable to slide so far backwards. One of the biggest challenges in our future is our failures in education today. Our current trend is that secondary education is becoming more and more female, and believe me, we don't want to deal with the crime and productivity implications of an abundance of under-educated men in our country. Focusing on educating girls is a bad idea. Rather, the focus should be on educating all children. We don't give kids the credit they deserve. They are perfectly capable of choosing their favorite subjects on their own.

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    1. Re:As well the ACLU should by sinij · · Score: 4, Funny

      What do men need education for? Everyone knows than man's place is in the kitchen! Everyone knows men attend higher education only to find an eligible wife to care for them.

  4. Hurrah for sex-segregation! by mi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am awed and stupefied, how the idea of sex-segregation — hitherto denounced as "detrimental to equality" — comes back around as a good one.

    What's next? Whites-only school of basketball?

    I wish, I was trolling...

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    1. Re:Hurrah for sex-segregation! by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, I can start a Whites only basketball camp as long as I also start a Blacks only hockey camp?

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  5. Appropriate vocational training by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Boys will also receive additional vocation training in the ditch-digging, garbage collection, and front-line soldiering arts to help prepare them for their future careers as beasts of burden."

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    1. Re:Appropriate vocational training by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the janitorial staff in my office are men. Pretty sure men clean toilets, too.

      The point of these social experiments seems to get more and more women into the desk and office jobs. That leaves only the grubby, dirty, outside jobs for men. And nobody gives a shit about that.

      And no, I'm not crying to hold on to some men's only club. On my floor here my technical team is 4 men and 3 women, and our boss is a woman (as are the 2 superiors of hers to whom I report), and ~48/50 of the non-technical desk workers in the cubes outside my office window are women. Which is fine, I love my job and my workplace. So it's not like I'm "scared of teh girls takin' over!" They already have and I'm perfectly okay with that.

      But the "it's so awful, get all the training for girls and ignore boys!" hysteria seems pointless. Girls already dominate the educational system. They will dominate the future workforce. A boy growing up now who didn't have all these special programs will have a tough time competing with the girls who were prepped and trained for this their entire lives, so what else is he going to do? Maybe he'll luck out like my boss's husband. He stays home and takes care of the kids while she works. Lucky bastard.

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  6. Black and White? by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whenever I read something about girls-only or boys-only, I like to replace the gender designations with race designations: "Citing statistics that showed a whopping 46 more Whites than Blacks passed the AP Computer Science Exam in 2011-12, the 640,000+ student Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) on Tuesday approved a waiver to enable the District to operate a single-race, all-Black STEM School called the Black Academic Leadership Academy (BALA)." ... even more interesting if you switch the races around...

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  7. Can we get some all-white/all-black schools too? by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Funny

    First of all, I would just like to say that I applaud this move on the part of the L.A. school district. In the spirit of these groundbreaking projects, I would like to propose a similar measure here in Alabama that would help advance learning among our students as well. My new initiative would launch a series of White-only and Black-only schools that would better serve to the individual needs of students and help them to feel more comfortable in schools where they can feel free to speak freely and learn in a less hostile environment.

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  8. Re:Because girls just can not hack it with boys. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just do not know that this is really needed. I know lots of very smart women in STEM that are very bit as talented as any male.

    There is no lack of talent, just lack of interest. I run an after school robotics and programming class at the local elementary school. The boys love it, and beg their parents to sign them up. Most of the girls are there because their tiger-parents* forced them to join. Many of the girls dropped out, especially when the tryouts for the school play started. I was very frustrated when this happened last year, so this year I recruited a nerdy mom to help out, and provide a role model. That made no difference in the dropout rate.

    I think a separate program for girls is a bad idea. It just gives them the message that they can't compete. When we form teams the kids always self-segregate by gender, but that is their choice, not something being pushed on them by the authorities. Since they are on separate gender teams, the girls are not dominated by pushy boys trying to show off. Completely separate classes are not needed.

    *ALL of the girls that participate are Asian (Chinese, Indian, or Vietnamese). I have never had a single white/black/Hispanic girl join. I live in San Jose, which has lots of Asians. If I lived in a "normal" place, the gender balance would likely be even worse.

  9. Re:Can we get some all-white/all-black schools too by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have those already; they're called "charter schools." Here in Atlanta, anyone can attend the charter schools in theory, but in practice the white parents are the ones who sign their kids up, so the charter school ends up 70+% white and the regular public school (that serves the same neighborhood) ends up 80+% black.

    (By the way: yes, those are real numbers; I looked them up.)

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  10. Sexes ARE different, thankfully by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the possible reasons why girls don't get into tech stuff may be peer pressure from other girls before they even graduate from high school.

    Or, maybe, women and men simply aren't the same?

    The anatomy and physiology are demonstrably different. Could those natural differences be having an effect on the interests in life? Feminists would like us to think, all of that is due solely to upbringing, but they offer no evidence — while denouncing detractors as "sexists" themselves.

    Though businesses aren't allowed to discriminate, sports-leagues openly do all the time. A "co-ed" volleyball team, for example, must have at least two females out of six players at all times — because having more males is an advantage. A team showing up with only one woman is penalized one way or the other (see rule 11 of this set, for example), a team showing up for a coed game without any women automatically loses.

    In chess too, for some reason, there are very few female Grandmasters (GMs). It got so embarrassing, a lesser title of Woman Grandmaster (WGM) was introduced... And there are some — but very few (all of them from countries with "traditional" views on gender-roles, BTW).

    Now, I am not going to claim, women are intrinsically "inferior" to men — for a I don't think, the sexes are comparable, nor do they have to compete. We represent the same species. But we are certainly different — and I am not surprised, if the difference is manifested in aptitude for or interest in different carriers and pursuits.

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  11. Re:Feminism ruins society again... by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If my son wants to go to the special programming school, because that's what he's really in to, will he be allowed to? No. And why not? Because he might disrupt the all-girl environment and damage the self-confidence of the girls in the class. "You can't come because boys are icky." How is that not "man-shaming?"

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