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Rocket Lab Unveils "Electric" Rocket Engine

New submitter Adrian Harvey writes The New Zealand based commercial space company Rocket Lab has unveiled their new rocket engine which the media is describing as battery-powered. It still uses rocket fuel, of course, but has an entirely new propulsion cycle which uses electric motors to drive its turbopumps.

To add to the interest over the design, it uses 3D printing for all its primary components. First launch is expected this year, with commercial operations commencing in 2016.

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  1. Hype pain by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a rocket engine with 'turbopumps!' And 3D printing!

    Ok, de-hyped version: Rocket engines consume huge amounts of fuel. Getting fuel from tanks to engines needs pumps, which usually need their own mini-engines. This design uses electric pumps, saving weight and complexity. They are using 3D printed parts, including titanium, because it lets them iterate through design refinements quickly. The engines themselves still burn fuel as normal, they just weigh less.

    1. Re:Hype pain by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      This does have some purpose - to allow you to restart the engine without externally running the pumps.

      You still need ullage though, but RCS can be used for that.

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    2. Re:Hype pain by otuz · · Score: 2

      The efficiency of electric motors is around 90%, so I'm assuming the fuel-powered pumps have such a low efficiency it's worth using batteries instead of fuel to save weight. These are also unlikely to have rechargeable batteries, so the energy density may be an order of magnitude higher than let's say rechargeable LiPO-batteries.

    3. Re:Hype pain by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      The engines themselves still burn fuel as normal, they just weigh less.

      Hype or no hype that last clause is a pretty big deal when it comes to anything related to rocketry.

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    4. Re:Hype pain by brambus · · Score: 4, Informative
      Turbine engines typically achieve around 33%-34% efficiency. Going off of Wikipedia, non-rechargeable lithium batteries are around 1.8MJ/kg, whereas kerosene is around 46MJ/kg. Now with kerosene, you need to carry around another 2.5 parts of oxygen, so gram-for-gram, the split is around 13 MJ/kg for RP-1/LOX. Accounting for engine efficiency, it comes to around 1.6MJ/kg for non-rechargeable lithium batteries driving an electric motor pump vs. 4.5MJ/kg for an RP-1/LOX turbopump. IOW, the turbopump version is around 3x more efficient. Now the dry weight of the assembly. A 1MW turbopump can be built in as little as 50kg (in fact, the Merlin 1C turbopump weights around 70kg and produces 1.86MW). A comparable DC electric motor would probably weigh in at close 2x than that. Not to mention, the dry weight of the turbopump is just the pump plus about 4-5% of the fuel weight for the tank to hold it, whereas for the electric motor pump + batteries, dry weight is essentially unchanged throughout the entire burn.
      Overall for a 1MW pump system for a 120s burn, the numbers would stack up roughly like this:
      • wet turbopump: 50kg + 8kg of fuel + 20kg of oxidizer + 2kg tank, total: 80kg.
      • dry turbopump: 50kg + 2kg tank = 52kg
      • wet & dry motor + batteries: 100kg motor with pump, 74kg batteries, total: 174kg.

      From a pure performance perspective, electrically driven pumps in rocket engines are simply worse. However, considering the cost and complexity of turbopumps and the relatively small part that fuel pumping overhead contributes to overall efficiency, it may be a cost worth paying, especially on a smaller launch vehicle, where the electrical equipment is relatively cheap. I'm not convinced ti scales to multi-MN engines, though, as there the electrical requirements would be enormous (100MW+ electric motors are somewhat impractical, as is the supporting electrical equipment).

    5. Re:Hype pain by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      comparable DC electric motor would probably weigh in at close 2x

      Not even close. The part you missed was the ready supply of cryogenics. The limiting factors on electric motor size are a result of two key effects. Thsi first is mechanical strength. This limitation will be roughly the same for both Turbo pumps and Electric pumps. The turbo pumps in existence today are near this limitation. The second effect is heat dissipation. All motors have to dissipate a significant amount of heat. The more they can dissipate, the more power they can draw. Electric motors have a tremendous advantage in that respect as they produce far less waste heat than other motor types. The ones you looked at on wikipedia are all dissipation limited designs. Given a rockets ready supply of cryogenic fuel, far more heat can be drawn off a given size of electric motor. This means that we can pump far more power through it, in fact the new limiting factor in this application would be mechanical strength instead of the traditional dissipation limit. End of the day, I would be surprised if the motors they have are not producing close to 50 HP / Kg. I have personally seen a 5 HP cryogenic motor that weighed about 300 grams.

      Also, you'd be crazy to use Li-ion batteries. You already have an awesome fuel supply, it would make far more sense to use a fuel cell. Expensive yes, but the reduced weight of the launch vehicle is worth it.

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    6. Re:Hype pain by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then add on the cryo equipment

      There is no cryo equipment. You dont need it. You're sitting on a mountain of Liquid O2... Instant refrigeration.

      If by "fuel cell" you mean hydrogen fuel cell

      No, I mean a kerosene Fuel Cell, or whatever your primary fuel for the rocket is. The membrane for the Fuel Cell takes up some significant room, but weighs next to nothing. If you dont have to cram 500 m^2 into a 20cm x 20cm x20cm box, its much much cheaper.

      I hope you meant 50HP, otherwise it'd be just silly (>260kg at 1MW assuming linear scaling).

      No, I meant 5 HP. This was a long time ago when an off the shelf MW electric motor weighed more than a luxury sedan. The point was, even then, you could get order of magnitude performance improvements out of cryogenically cooling electric motors.

      At the end of the day, These folks have *made* an electric pump driven rocket. That pretty much means you've made one or more bad assumptions with your original post. The weight of the electric fuel pump vs the turbo pump driven unit is obviously at least comparable, Likely tipped in favor of the electric. I suspect its an offshoot of the idiotic public bias against electric drive vs ICE for passenger vehicles. People have been normalized for 100 years to the idea that electric motors are under-powered. The reality is far far different.

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    7. Re:Hype pain by godefroi · · Score: 2

      Just so we're all on the same page here regarding numbers:

      The SSME (Space Shuttle Main Engine) high presssure oxidizer turbopump produces 23,260 horsepower. The high pressure fuel turbopump produces 71,147 horsepower. That's just over 70 MEGAWATTS. There are also low-pressure turbopumps in play, and there were three of them per shuttle.

      The Rocketdyne F-1 (Saturn V main engine) turbopump produced 41 megawatts. There were 5 in the first stage.

      Still wonder why we don't use electric pumps?

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  2. Meh. by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    About 10 years ago I worked on simulating a rocket with electric turbopumps for fun. The concept was the exact same as theirs - minimize the number of parts that have to operate in harsh environments to reduce cost, maintenance and risk of failure. You don't even need any penetrations of the propellant lines, the rotor of the electric motor is the compressor itself.

    I have no clue whether the design will actually be practical. But it's certainly not new. I'm sure I'm not the first person that this concept occurred to.

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    1. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because you're asking the wrong question. Aerospace engineers don't plot energy density vs. power density: they plot specific impulse (or equivalently exhaust velocity) vs. acceleration (or thrust). Which gives the same answers in the form of variables more directly useful for rocket equations.

      You can get such plots in any good propulsion or mission planning text. E.g. Rocket Propulsion Elements by Sutton & Biblarz (8th ed). has one on p. 42; Space Mission Engineering: The New SMAD* by Wertz et al. has one on p. 548. (*Space Mission Analysis and Design was the name of earlier editions.)

    2. Re:Meh. by Rei · · Score: 2

      Apparently you don't know the meaning of the words "for fun".

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  3. Cheap because of size, not engines by gman003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Big rocket engines use big propellant pumps. The pump on the F-1 (used on the Saturn V) ran about 55,000 horsepower.

    Electric motors won't do that cheaper. And they'll sap the weight of the rocket, since even a dead battery is heavy. Fundamentally, a big rocket will be better served by a gas-generator or staged-combustion cycle.

    That's fine for this rocket because it's so small. The payload is 110kg. For comparable rockets, turn to Iran's unflown Simorgh, Israel's Shavit, or North Korea's Unha, all in the 100-160kg range.

    To put those numbers in comparison, let's look at SpaceX. The single-engined Falcon 1 put 670kg into orbit. A Falcon 9 runs 10,000-13,000kg. And the Falcon Heavy is supposed to lift 53,000kg.

    Or for an older comparison, Sputnik 1 weighed 80kg, and Sputnik 2 weighed 500kg. So they're building a rocket that couldn't even lift the second satellite to ever fly. I'm not particularly impressed.

    Maybe there's a niche for small payloads like this, but in all honesty, I expect you could fly several such payloads on one bigger rocket, or just hitchhike on the spare capacity on a big satellite launch. Still, worth a shot. Just don't pretend to be playing in the big leagues.

    1. Re:Cheap because of size, not engines by RedWizzard · · Score: 2

      Maybe there's a niche for small payloads like this, but in all honesty, I expect you could fly several such payloads on one bigger rocket, or just hitchhike on the spare capacity on a big satellite launch. Still, worth a shot. Just don't pretend to be playing in the big leagues.

      Where did they claim to be playing in the big leagues? And yes, there is a niche for microsatellite launch services. Your unnecessarily grumpy comments are largely correct, but you've missed the whole point of the operation, which is cost. Virgin's LauncherOne is aiming for $10m per launch, these guys are claiming half that price.

  4. Questionable engineering decisions. by mpoulton · · Score: 2

    Ever since their first widespread implementations in the mid 20th century, turbopumps have been powered by rocket propellants - either the same stuff they are pumping (F1 engine in the Saturn V), or a separate propellant dedicated to powering the pumps (Space Shuttle Main Engines). There are excellent reasons for this, and not many good reasons to use batteries and motors instead. Rocket propellant pumps require truly massive amounts of power to move thousands of gallons per minute of propellants at thousands of PSI pressure. The SSME turbopumps require over 70,000 horsepower per engine. Like all other rocket hardware, size and weight are extreme concerns. Power-to-weight ratio is the single most critical design goal. Rocket engines themselves burn the propellants they do specifically because those chemical combinations are the absolute best we have for producing the maximum amount of thermo-mechanical energy from the least mass, no-compromise. Using the same types of propellants to drive the turbopumps also provides the maximum achievable power to weight ratio. The SSME turbopumps produce over 100HP per pound, which is insanely high. No known electric motor technology can even reach that order of magnitude in power density, even considering only the actual motor itself! There is no legitimate contest in performance between a gas-driven turbopump and any other technology besides nuclear, and that's that. To make such a large compromise in power to weight ratio by using electric pumps is very odd. Yes, gas-driven turbopumps are really hard. They are the hardest part of building a large liquid rocket engine. But those challenges were first solved over 60 years ago, and avoiding a tough engineering exercise is no excuse for making a giant compromise in performance. The extra mass of that electric drive system could be replaced with propellant or cargo.

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    1. Re:Questionable engineering decisions. by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, the SSME engines ran off the same propellant as the rocket - LH2 and LOX. It's a staged-combustion rocket - some of the fuel and oxidizer flow was diverted to a preburner, which partially combusted them (the mixture was fuel-rich, limited by oxygen), ran the fuel-rich exhaust through turbines for the fuel and oxidizer pumps, then exhausted into the main combustion chamber where it was mixed with the remaining oxygen to complete combustion.

      A better example for a separate propellant would have have been the V2 rocket, which burned ethanol and LOX, and had a pump powered by hydrogen peroxide.

      Right on all other points, though.