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Automakers To Gearheads: Stop Repairing Cars

Mr_Blank writes Automakers are supporting provisions in copyright law that could prohibit home mechanics and car enthusiasts from repairing and modifying their own vehicles. In comments filed with a federal agency that will determine whether tinkering with a car constitutes a copyright violation, OEMs and their main lobbying organization say cars have become too complex and dangerous for consumers and third parties to handle. The dispute arises from a section of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that no one thought could apply to vehicles when it was signed into law in 1998. But now, in an era where cars are rolling computing platforms, the U.S. Copyright Office is examining whether provisions of the law that protect intellectual property should prohibit people from modifying and tuning their cars.

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  1. You no longer own a car by davydagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you simply get to use it, and the automaker gets a final say in how you use your car. good grief.

    1. Re:You no longer own a car by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess when my windshield gets a knick in it or if someone rubs my fender, it's time to throw out my car!

    2. Re:You no longer own a car by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fine, if I no longer fucking own the damned car, then they can charge me considerably less for it.

      What they want to do it wipe out the doctrine of "First Sale" which says "this is my property, what you think I should do is irrelevant".

      This is just a cash grab by greedy assholes.

      But if the car isn't mine, don't go expecting the same amount of money for it.

      I sincerely hope these auto makers get smacked down really hard.

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    3. Re:You no longer own a car by Wootery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing a nice, expensive official repair shop won't fix.

    4. Re:You no longer own a car by careysub · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Penguinisto: you need to try harder than that. The claim was that Apple had a problem with it. If Apple disables TRIM support on a 3rd party SSD, that is solid evidence that Apple has a problem with it. The fact that it can be defeated does not nullify the point.

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    5. Re:You no longer own a car by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because something can be done, with enough know-how and tools, doesn't mean that you're not being prevented from doing it. When you need a soldering iron just to change a battery or to add some RAM I think you've fallen into this category.

      "Being locked in jail doesn't prevent you from leaving, all you need is a hacksaw and some elbow grease. People have been modifying jails this way for a very long time."

    6. Re:You no longer own a car by schnell · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nothing a nice, expensive official repair shop won't fix.

      Well, somebody needs to play Devil's Advocate here, so I will. What if onboard vehicle computers truthfully are (or soon will become) so complicated - and so integral to the functioning of the vehicle - that an untrained hobbyist screwing with it could cause injury or death? What if some homebrew-loving gearhead hacker decides to roll his own firmware for the car because he thinks he can squeeze some extra MPG out of it, and instead it zeroes out the odometer due to a glitch? Or disables the seatbelt warnings? Or randomly cuts of f the engine in the middle of the highway?

      Yes, it can be argued that negligent behavior causing death or injury already has penalties, but those are after the fact. We all understand how easy it is to screw up software. Do we want to be reactive or penalize it in the first place? Might it not be reasonable to say in effect that cars with owner-modified computers are fine but are no longer street legal?

      P.S. No, I don't work for a car company, I'm not a shill or a troll. In fact I generally find cars quite boring. But I find Slashdot even more boring when nobody attempts to find merit in a contrary opinion...

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    7. Re:You no longer own a car by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, somebody needs to play Devil's Advocate here, so I will. What if onboard vehicle computers truthfully are (or soon will become) so complicated - and so integral to the functioning of the vehicle - that an untrained hobbyist screwing with it could cause injury or death?

      Fuck, man, brakes have been like that for a hundred goddamn years!

      Stop letting "buh-buh-buh-computers!" be an excuse for corporate sociopaths and nanny-state asswipes to destroy your rights. Seriously.

      We have two choices: we can be free, or we can be safe. These are mutually exclusive. And in the United States of America, the only correct choice is to be free. Sniveling infantile cowards who think otherwise can fuck off and die.

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    8. Re:You no longer own a car by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hell, the moron who replaced the water pump in a truck just before I bought didn't bother to clip the radiator hoses down [just push them into their holders].

      Two weeks later, fan rubs a hole in it, and all the water gets pumped out.

      Fortunately, it was a cold day and I wasn't too far from a parts store...

      There are a million things that a weekend mechanic can do to make a vehicle dangerous to drive.

      And don't forget the manufacturer. They can't even get it right. Are there any vehicles that don't have one or more recalls issued for them, for all kinds of fun reasons like the ignition key turning to off [and locking the steering wheel in place] while the car is in motion, or the steering wheel coming off, engine revving or turning off spontaneously, transmission shifting incorrectly, brakes failing, air bags deploying [or not].

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    9. Re:You no longer own a car by topologicalanomaly47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The big issue for me is that around here the chance of having my car repaired by a moron is a lot greater if I go to a dealer shop instead of some trusted garage that all my friends use.

  2. Probably best by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To purchase a nice car from the 60's or 70's with no computer. Easy to fix, and except for crash-readyness usually pretty solid.

    1. Re:Probably best by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually most hot rodders are using the new Chevy LS engines on older cars because they are so good and easy to work one even with the computer.
      Google Chevy LS builds.

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  3. Re:Oh Look, a Car Analogy for Last Week's Story! by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has nothing to do with the free market. This is using government regulation to prevent the fair use of your own property.

    Although I wouldn't be surprised if someone made that lame brained argument on the automaker's side. They're no more in favor of a free market than a communist is. It just so happens that when they have bought out the government, government regulation works for them, and not as a means of checking them.

  4. Hang on.... by Coffee+Warlord · · Score: 5, Funny

    How are we supposed to make a car analogy now?

  5. Gonna fly against magnuson moss act. by random+coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they do this, they're going against the magnuson moss act.

    In a just world they would lose copyright when they stop warranting the product. You want copyright of that ecu? You give a permanent warranty on it and replace them every time they fail, for free. Don't want to have to replace it? then you give up copyright to the code on it because user needs to fix it. I'm not holding my breath though.

  6. Hackers and Gearheads by bunyip · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is there nothing more American than taking a mass market car and finding another 10 horsepower?
    Or making the stereo loud enough to knock down old barns as you drive by?

    What if immersing your motherboard in liquid nitrogen for another 3 frames per second were illegal?
    Or writing your own operating system could land you in jail?

    What have we come to? We need to protect people from doing stupid stuff, but nobody wants to live in a world with only one flavor...

    A.