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Baltimore Police Used Stingrays For Phone Tracking Over 25,000 Times

An anonymous reader writes The Baltimore Police Department is starting to come clean about its use of cell-phone signal interceptors — commonly known as Stingrays — and the numbers are alarming. According to recent court testimony reported by The Baltimore Sun, the city's police have used Stingray devices with a court order more than 25,000 times. It's a massive number, representing an average of nearly nine uses a day for eight years (the BPD acquired the technology in 2007), and it doesn't include any emergency uses of the device, which would have proceeded without a court order.

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  1. Loose procedures by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds to me like not only the police is wrong by applying for too many uses of the device (of course they do - it's their job to gather as much information about potential criminals as possible), also the courts appear to be wrong by not doing much evaluation of the requests. Now having to handle nine requests a day is a huge number as well (that's before accounting for holidays and weekends), yet no excuse for not following proper procedures.

    From the face of it, the courts should be more strict. Take more time to properly evaluate each one, possibly causing a backlog, but that in turn should force the police to lower their number of requests to only the ones they believe are valid - and arguably the courts should be hiring more people to get the work done in a timely manner.

    1. Re:Loose procedures by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that regular rank-and-file police should be in the business of intercepting cell phone traffic in the first place. They should have to submit warrants to the carriers and those carriers should present them with only the data that the warrant calls for.

      A pipe dream, I know, but what the hey.

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    2. Re:Loose procedures by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      To me it is (or at least, should be) the modern equivalent of a wire tap where police investigators are listening in to someone's phone line.

      For that reason it should come with the same set of checks and balances: a court warrant required (with maybe an exception for "emergency cases" which will have to be defined really well), and the requirement that only the phone for which the warrant is given can be listened in to, so no "collateral damage".

    3. Re:Loose procedures by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is, in a real wiretap, they're only tapping the one call. In this thing's case they're intercepting all calls for everyone in the area whose phones end up using it, not just the one call. That's why I think they need to go through the carrier, so the carrier can tape the one line or the series of lines that they have a legitimate claim through the courts to gain access to.

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    4. Re:Loose procedures by mellon · · Score: 1

      It depends what they are doing. TFA describes a situation where a murderer was found because he kept the victim's phone (on!) in his house. I have no problem with using cell phone intercept to track down a murder suspect in a situation like this, although the degree of stupidity required for this to work is astonishing. So based on the article we don't actually know that there were lax procedures. I'm not saying there weren't, but getting a court order for this sort of thing is precisely what they should be doing, so I'm having trouble seeing this particular revelation as something about which we should be deeply concerned. 25,000 searches over eight years is really not that many in a city the size of Baltimore if, e.g., they are using the device to track down stolen phones.

    5. Re:Loose procedures by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds to me like not only the police is wrong by applying for too many uses of the device (of course they do - it's their job to gather as much information about potential criminals as possible), also the courts appear to be wrong by not doing much evaluation of the requests. Now having to handle nine requests a day is a huge number as well (that's before accounting for holidays and weekends), yet no excuse for not following proper procedures.

      What's interesting is that you make an assertion... and then act as though that assertion was a fact.
       

      From the face of it, the courts should be more strict. Take more time to properly evaluate each one

      One of the things you've failed to account for, there are probably hundreds of judges in a city of a half million - thus it's quite possible to be strict and evaluate each one and still come up with this number. It's a distributed parallel system - what sound like scary huge numbers arise quite easily from a relatively modest number of actors, especially considering the length of time involved.

      But the ill-educated (or deeply biased, or prejudiced towards panic*) won't stop and think about these things. Thinking Is Hard.

      And, to those moderating, yes - I know the actual number is 4,300. I'm just so damn tired of the level of ignorance so prevalent on Slashdot.

      * Actually there's considerable overlap in these categories.

    6. Re:Loose procedures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Factoids like this always amuse me. "Records show that the police in XXX shot their weapons on average 2,000 times per year". Good grief, what are they doing?? Lets all scream and shout and run about! Can we just once presume that these court approved wire taps are from detectives attempting to solve crimes and apprehend felons. (OMG, those scum bags are are using finger prints to catch people). How many of these wiretaps were called up because someone wanted to just violate your precious right to privacy when you talk over the public airways? Give me some numbers, please.

    7. Re:Loose procedures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The murderer victim's phone gives its location to the carrier just fine. We don't need the police dragneting everyone else in whatever radius this works on. Being that they were looking for a specific person's killer, it seems odd they couldn't just track the victims phone with cooperation from the carrier. They got a judge to say yes to the dragnet, I'm sure the judge would say yes to tracking a dead persons cellphone, especially when it may very well be in the hands of the killer or something that knows the killer.

      See how catching the murderer is quite possible without trampling over everyone else.

    8. Re:Loose procedures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wiretaps

      You seem to be in the wrong story. Or are you making an assertion and then acting as if your assertion was a fact?

      Using the word wiretap implies that the cops are just listening to one phone instead of every phone in range of the stingray that connects to its fake tower.

    9. Re:Loose procedures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course they do - it's their job to gather as much information about potential criminals as possible

      No, it's the police's job to enforce the laws...and that includes inconvenient ones like the 4th Amendment. When the police perform searches without obtaining a warrant they aren't "just doing their job", they are shirking it. They are taking wages for a job without performing the required work. Those are your tax dollars getting skimmed. Don't tolerate it.

  2. Correction: 4,300 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article states that the earlier figure was incorrect; the Baltimore police actually used it 4,300 times, not 25,000 times.

    1. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our numbers were off, there must have been a rounding error somewhere. *folds up and swallows NSL*

    2. Re: Correction: 4,300 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that but the number sounds like all of maryland not simply Baltimore ..... Some times I really wonder why I still read this site.

    3. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Funny

      The article states that the earlier figure was incorrect; the Baltimore police actually used it 4,300 times, not 25,000 times.

      Is this one of these things where they try to make 4300 sound small by first quoting a bigger number?

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    4. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      Without knowing how many stingray devices they use, that is nearly two devices running every day for the 8 years they have been using them. It sounds like they turned the devices on and let them run constantly. More like a dragnet usage and hope they can find something later.

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    5. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The article states that the earlier figure was incorrect; the Baltimore police actually used it 4,300 times, not 25,000 times.

      It's still a big enough number that they must have full-time staff dedicated to these illegal searches. No wonder B'more has so many problems with dropped calls.

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    6. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by mellon · · Score: 1

      These are searches with warrants, so no NSL.

    7. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by gatzke · · Score: 1

      4,300 over eight years in a city the size of Baltimore is not that big a number. 1-2 a day in a city of 600,000 (metro of 2.7 million) may actually be on the low side of what you would expect.

      But hey, math class is tough. OUTRAGE!

    8. Re: Correction: 4,300 times by Enry · · Score: 1

      For the witty commentary and the recollections of /. old timer stories?

      I remember this one time...

    9. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by Enry · · Score: 2

      How is it illegal if there's a court order?

    10. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      1-2 trips to court per day to get a warrant sound like a full time job to me.

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    11. Re:Correction: 4,300 times by random+coward · · Score: 1

      "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

      Any warrant that doesn't list the particular; one that authorizes a general collection is unconstitutional and illegal regardless of what the Judge says. In this case the Judge ruled they could generally collect any electronic phone data in range of the stingray. Judges can and do make illegal orders. They just have ruled that they're immune from punishment for their illegal actions, and we let them. Note that in the United States, judicial immunity is not by any statute passed by a legislature. Its by Judicial order. Its just another brick in the tyranny we live under.

  3. From courts to no telco needed by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    In the past a telco would have to see court paper work to set a number into their system to track and log.
    The lack of any new court comment or even telco paperwork is telling. Local law enforcement have moved away from needing local telcos to just collecting it all.
    It is now cheaper to log all calls in an area and sort them than to request paper work a person of interest at a city or sate law enforcement level.
    A cell phone is now a gps, text, voice print, photo, numbers called and beacon carried around waiting to be logged by local law enforcement...
    Parallel construction will now be the on the discovery list for any good legal team.
    The other question is why cant local law enforcement officials trust the telcos? What have the telcos done to be bypassed with hardware that has to fake been a cell site?
    A real telco could give all the information around the USA as requested and stand in any open court. Are the numbers and accounts under investigation leaking as the court orders are been activated at the telco level?
    The final question is what is been sent down to each phone as it is used? State and national tracking malware for any phone is connected in an area of interest?

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    1. Re:From courts to no telco needed by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      In the past a telco would have to see court paper work to set a number into their system to track and log.

      Presumably stingrays are used for the real time interception of communications and live tracking of a suspect. Having the telcos provide the capability for real time monitoring across their networks to law enforcement provides far more potential for abuse than localized stingrays.

    2. Re:From courts to no telco needed by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Classic court allowed telco support would be for one cell number, account or person.
      The cellular phone surveillance device becomes a cell tower like device in a community and collects all calls in that area.
      The cell site simulator has total access as it forces all mobile phones in the area to connect to it.
      Collect it all is how a cell site simulator works for cellular phone surveillance.
      A change to bulk collection.

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    3. Re:From courts to no telco needed by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Classic court allowed telco support would be for one cell number, account or person.
      The cellular phone surveillance device becomes a cell tower like device in a community and collects all calls in that area.
      The cell site simulator has total access as it forces all mobile phones in the area to connect to it.
      Collect it all is how a cell site simulator works for cellular phone surveillance.
      A change to bulk collection.

      Are these devices attended by actual humans, or, as is likely, it's set up and left recording in some nearby convenient location like the back of a parked van, motel room, or abandoned building, etc?

      If so, they should be easy to radio-locate, like the old CB radio 'rabbit hunts'. How upset would they be to find their expensive toy missing when they returned?

      If it *is* attended, surround the location and start protesting and out them. Don't forget to video record.

      If police don't need a warrant, then does that mean that anyone can run a Stingray? It's not that hard. A little sauce for the gander.

      You can even pick up the essentials to "roll your own" "Stingray" type device at a bargain, used/refurbished.

      http://www.testequipmentdepot....

      Park one in a van in Washington D.C. on K St. or near the WH, and/or certain parts of Alexandria VA for extra lulz.

      Strat

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    4. Re:From courts to no telco needed by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re Finding?
      "This machine catches stingrays: Pwnie Express demos cellular threat detector" (Apr 21, 2015)
      http://arstechnica.com/informa...
      Looks for Unauthorized or unknown cell providers, Anomalous or suspicious base stations, IMSI catcher/interceptor identification, Rogue or malicious cellular base stations.

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    5. Re:From courts to no telco needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would imagine the police would say you were interrupting an ongoing investigation and depending on what you did (turned it off or smashed it with a baseball bat), you may also get more charged slapped on you. If we throw enough charges at you, something will surely stick.

  4. Found in small town, CA? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    So, I went to the local Social Security office in smallsville, CA. While waiting, I used my phone, and noticed that (Verizon) I was getting a 1x signal.

    There are *no* 1x signal towers in my local area, it's all 100% digital. There aren't even any 3G towers that I know of. And when I left, within a few hundred feet, I resumed seeing 4G signal,like normal.

    Stingray much?

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    1. Re:Found in small town, CA? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The new hardware should be totally ready for the next mobile standards, no dropping back.
      Wonder what the areas around news papers and press offices are like :)
      Journalists and people they meet should be very aware of that a log on a map can show. Two people standing next to each other for a short time both with their phones on.

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    2. Re:Found in small town, CA? by dougmc · · Score: 3, Informative

      1x is digital too.

      It does have longer range than 3G and 4G, and so it could very well be that you were simply getting a marginal signal and there was no Stingray involved at all -- your phone just used the best that was available, and that was 1x.

      And once you left, the 4G signal got strong enough again to use, and your phone switched back.

    3. Re:Found in small town, CA? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There aren't even any 3G towers that I know of.

      Seriously? A good chunk of the existing phone base can't even do 4G - prepaid is still largely 3G-only phones, which are still sold new today. It would be very rare to have 4G-only coverage areas in a town.

      However, if you never go anywhere and have really good 4G coverage, setting your phone to 4G-only may well be a good workaround to reduce your chance of an intercept.

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    4. Re:Found in small town, CA? by sudon't · · Score: 1

      If you travelled outside of the cities, you'd find that much of the country is 2G.

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    5. Re:Found in small town, CA? by afidel · · Score: 1

      However, if you never go anywhere and have really good 4G coverage, setting your phone to 4G-only may well be a good workaround to reduce your chance of an intercept.

      The current generation of Stingray devices can do LTE interception.

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  5. 4300 times, 1 suspect. by sharkbiter · · Score: 1

    Yah, makes sense to me. Nothing like using time, material, massive tax dollars and technology used to stop _a_ nasty homicidal maniac from murdering again. Well done! A truly Cadmean victory to brag about. Whoo hoo! Let's hear it for the Blatimore Policy mens!

  6. *gasp* by jargonburn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the actual fuck?! What did they do before Stingrays? Not catch anybody? Good fucking grief!

    The above was my initial reaction, anyway. I checked the article; seems to have been updated to say 4300 times, which is not such a jaw-dropper. Also, I'd be interested to know whether that covers every time the device was used to intercept or track a mobile device (4300 is a number I could believe, if not like) or if that was the number of court-orders/warrants obtained (4300 still seems ridiculously over-used).

    1. Re:*gasp* by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Before the cell site simulator a court would just ask the telco to track a persons cell phone, account US wide. It worked well and could be accepted in any open court setting as a per person log.
      The new cell site simulator count could be how many times a person of interest connects or is logged vs the bulk community collect it all using the cell site simulator 24/7.
      A smaller number would be presented to keep the bulk community collection count well hidden.

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    2. Re:*gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the actual fuck?! What did they do before Stingrays? Not catch anybody? Good fucking grief!

      No, the real question here is, did they start catching anyone after abusing the shit out of our Rights.

    3. Re:*gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What the actual fuck?! What did they do before Stingrays? Not catch anybody? Good fucking grief!"

      Didn't you watch 'the wire'?

    4. Re:*gasp* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what did law enforcement do before fingerprinting? Not catch anybody?

      This is just the advance of using technology and science as another tool for tracking down shitheads. There's just a lot of not-shitheads that get caught up in this early stage of using this tool.

  7. capabilities? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    i understand the basics of how a stingray works - it puts out a stronger signal than the nearest tower, and the phones connect to it instead of the tower. but what is it capable of, and how does it do it?

    First, location. obviously any phone that connects to the stingray must be in the vicinity of the stingray. But do phones ping the tower with their GPS coordinates? Cuz then the stingray would be receiving a whole bunch of imei numbers with attached gps coordinates.

    what about call metadata and call content recording?

    1. Re:capabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, they record your position and call metadata. They can most certainly collect your content, too. A stingray is literally a miniature celltower that does a MITM attack.

    2. Re:capabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the Stingray is basically a MITM attack, we should assume that every piece of data your phone would normally send to a tower is captured, including GPS data, call contents, and any other data you might be sending. Of course, the quote from the article states that they only collect the full data for the target, but it would be foolish to take the police at their word.

      Noticeably absent from the article is any mention of duration for the use of the Stingray devices. 4,300 uses means something different when you are talking minutes versus days, weeks, or months.

      It's a real tragedy that it exists, let alone that courts are complicit with what is obviously a gross violation of the 4th amendment. Rather than tapping individual phones, the police are given wide berth to dragnet capture phone data, and the courts are little more than a rubber-stamp.

    3. Re:capabilities? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The cell site simulator becomes the tower and depending on the local law enforcement needs will gather voice, data, images, logs, text, gps, calls made.
      Voice prints would be the next step. Malware down for software passwords would then allow for plain text as entered no matter the secure app loaded.
      The phone trusts the cell site simulator network as it would a telco cell tower. The network between the phone and cell site simulator is wide open at the point.

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    4. Re:capabilities? by jeti · · Score: 2

      AFAIK, Stingray is based on an IMSI catcher. It simulates a cell tower and gets cell phones in the area to connect to it by providing the strongest signal. It then records the data of all connected cell phones and forwards it to the network.

      Since IMSI catchers are well understood, all this secrecy is a bit surprising. It makes speculation about additional capabilities plausible. It could use exploits in the modem software to install malware. Such malware could do all sorts of things like reading local files, including contacts, messages, browsing history and possibly passwords. It could also store files on the device. It could provide side channels for encrypted communication from https to WhatsApp calls. It could also turn on the microphone and camera. All this is pure speculation, but it seems plausible.

    5. Re:capabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if it is like a cell tower, then they are not just collecting data for a single person, they are collecting data for everybody in the area. Even with 4300 uses, they might be intercepting calls from a significant portion of the city population.

  8. Lester Freamon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But how many of these were the result of McNulty and Lester?

  9. McNulty!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's you again??

  10. So The Wire was correct? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember people blasting it for being inaccurate. I guess they're wrong.

    1. Re:So The Wire was correct? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have read that the police actually asked the Wire to change some of the show, cause it was too close to real life, and might have warned criminals of their capabilities. Maybe that's the complaint. :)

  11. Re:What did they do before Stingrays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, Prez and Freamon monitored the payphone wiretap, while McNulty and the rest of the task force watched the pay phones with binoculars.

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  12. 4,300, not 25,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article now says it was 4,300 times and that their earlier number was wrong. 4,300 is still a very big number.

  13. Update by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Police outlined for the first time this month their usage of the stingray, pegging it at more than 4,300 times — a figure experts called a "huge number" compared to a trickle of disclosures in other cities.

    Lets do the math over. 4300/8/365= 1.5 times a day. Then there is the issue of duration and range. Is every day a different court order? Is every Stingray a different court order? One ongoing investigation that covers a home, a workplace and a meeting place would more than cause that many "uses".

    Big numbers look big until you break them down.

    1. Re:Update by chasm22 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let's do some more math. All cell calls within a mile are intercepted and rerouted. I really don't give a hoot about this particular case, but how about giving us an educated guess as to how many 'innocent' cell phone calls are intercepted each and every day in each and every major city(and undoubtedly many mid and small sized cities as well) by not only the local PD but also any number of state and federal agencies.

      Sorry, you can make this seem small with your math, but in reality this is probably a bigger threat to your privacy than anything the NSA does. Why? Because these individual machines(stingrays) are each given personal service. This isn't a vacumn cleaner approach, but something far more intrusive.

      I've seen too many instances where local judges make decisions that run contrary(IMHO) to our Constitution. I remember a local case where the police stopped a vehicle, found 25lbs of pot and had the brilliant idea of using the vehicles GPS to try and figure out where the purchase was made. Hmm. It turns out that they raided the last stop made by the car with a search warrant issued by a local judge. That wasn't the problem. The problem was the location wasn't where the bad guys had made their purchase. Big problem? Not really. You see the judge had decided to issue a blanket search warrant for all the locations on the GPS. And that is the problem with the stingray. A search warrant for one cell phone is really a warrant for thousands of cell phones.

    2. Re:Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This math also seems to indicate that stingray(s) were pretty much run 24/7 for 8 straight years.

    3. Re:Update by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I really don't give a hoot about this particular case, but how about giving us an educated guess as to how many 'innocent' cell phone calls are intercepted each and every day in each and every major city(and undoubtedly many mid and small sized cities as well) by not only the local PD but also any number of state and federal agencies.

      Those are "interceptions" that are not logged or looked at. All that happens is the call is passed through to the real cell tower.

      You see the judge had decided to issue a blanket search warrant for all the locations on the GPS.

      So the cell phone of a suspect found in possession of dealer quantities of drugs was searched and found to contain an number of locations. The judge found that the link between the drugs and the locations on the cell phone sufficient evidence to provide probable cause to search those locations. You do not have enough detail to make an accurate determination on how far the warrant went. Was it restricted to locations visited in the previous few hours? Last day? Last Week? Ever? It it was the last few hours I would call it reasonable. Do you even know how many places were searched and in what priority? If the warrant only covered a few hours I do not see the problem.

      A search warrant for one cell phone is really a warrant for thousands of cell phones.

      Nope, a search warrant allows evidence in court. Any evidence gathered from phone numbers not on the stingray warrant would not be allowed in court. See the difference?

    4. Re:Update by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If it's just for one phone, all telecommunication providers in the US have to, by law, provide full "tapping" ability. What's the advantage of the Stingray then?

      BTW, would a blanket search warrant even be Constitutional? The Fourth Amendment says that warrants must be specific.

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    5. Re:Update by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      What's the advantage of the Stingray then?

      Timing. Stingray allows real-time access to the presence of a desired number without having to wait for the information to filter through the telco's bureaucracy. A telco will not watch for a suspect while police will.

      BTW, would a blanket search warrant even be Constitutional?

      I bet the warrant was more like "here is the list of locations from the cell phone we would like to search". I think that because the judge approved all the locations the OP calls it a "blanket warrant".

    6. Re:Update by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Actually three Stingrays only running half the time would account for the usage.

  14. The Wire! by gti_guy · · Score: 1

    Life imitating art.

    1. Re:The Wire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      David Simon worked for the Baltimore Sun City Desk for twelve years (1982–95). Homicide, The Corner, and The Wire are all very much rooted in the realities of the Baltimore drug and police cultures.

  15. A Bit Odd by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Around 1969 the military operated what were called fixed syphoning stations. The idea was to secretly listen in on communications and to insert false commands at critical moments. Turn left in a foreign language could be changed to turn right for example. And it had to duplicate all of the intonations and accents of the sender's voice. And that was 1969 technology. One can only wonder just how signals can be altered these days and worse yet the altered conversations could be saved as evidence of wrong doing. It is sort of like being able to produce the smoking gun in a murder case even though the gun never existed.

    1. Re:A Bit Odd by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Now part of the DRT box, device or dirtboxes ie cell site simulators. Some are fixed-site, tactical trailer ready or man-packable.
      What was big for Iraq and Afghanistan is now back for domestic use. Data visualisation, graphs, geospatial maps are all in the mix depending on what is offered. Mix in private databases, purchased data for phone numbers.
      The US seems to have been early with it but the US is now finding other nations efforts locally.
      The other side is the wired versions for any/all Public Switched Telephone Network efforts.

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  16. Legally authorized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ./ nation note that it was used in conjunction with a court order.

  17. Wouldn't this be causing crappy cell service? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that with a warrant that Stingray is 100% unnecessary, thus this device entirely exists so that there are no inconvenient records being kept by the cell companies. Also, and probably more importantly, this is no doubt causing crappy cell service. Cell towers are very carefully engineered and to have a stingray system somehow playing man in the middle games of any sort would be causing poor reception.

    So quite simply I hope that the various cell manufacturers are presently working on technology that won't allow a cellphone to connect with anything but the known towers. Plus I hope that the FCC is going to shut these down. If the police are allowed to use these without a warrant than why can't I use a stingray to gather interesting marketing data about my customers? Didn't google end up in a pile of trouble for mopping up wifi data with their streetview cars?

  18. Holy shit by NotDrWho · · Score: 0

    There are only about 50,000 TOTAL ARRESTS a year in Baltimore. So for every 16 arrests, there is one Stingray use?? They must be regularly tapping the phone of everyone even suspected of being a felon in the fucking city.

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  19. Stealing Bandwidth by mlynx · · Score: 1
    Here's my question, why aren't the cell companies screaming mad about unlicensed use of their cellular bandwidth by Stingray devices. Let's not forget, these are massive corporations that spend billions of dollars for a slice of the radio spectrum and here they have this regular intruder on their space. I would think it would be a matter for the FCC to get involved, but nobody says anything other than, yeah, they intercept cell signals and retransmit the data. I can guarantee if I were to do this, I'd have tens of thousands of dollars worth of fines on my butt in a heartbeat.

    What kinds of deals with the devil have been made or is everyone operating blissfully unaware of what's going one. Any cell tower technicians able to comment? Anyone in the cell industry able to clarify how someone can run an unlicensed third party device over their bands? If they don't care, then maybe people need to start using their spectrum for other purposes as well. 2.4GHz is too crowded as it is.

    1. Re:Stealing Bandwidth by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Their licenses probably say that the government gets to do what they want, and shut up.

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    2. Re:Stealing Bandwidth by mlynx · · Score: 1

      Actually that's not how the FCC tends to license bandwidth. Quite the contrary, you have to have all sorts of approvals from said FCC before you operate a radio device in licensed spectrum. There's a reason Apple and others pay gobs of cash to make sure that they are producing compliant devices.

  20. The numbers are alarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, police use of stingrays are like cockroaches. For every use that gets a warrant there is probably fifty that don't.

  21. a little knowlege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The judges know x
    the telcos know y
    the FBI knows x, y and z
    Easy - all the players know just enough to think they understand, but they don't quite know enough...
    BTW - z is where the StingRay ( TM ) retransmits to a cell tower, twice, one to the regular telco,
    the other to the FBI/NSA/CIA/DOJ/BATF/Hillary....

    Tin Hats type theory? maybe, maybe not.....

  22. The Wire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, Lester Freamon has been busy.

  23. Re:What did they do before Stingrays? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    I was wondering when a reference to The Wire would pop up.

    Remember - they actually caught Stringer by using a cell tower snooper in Season 3.

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  24. Lockdown to single user by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    Why can't these be locked down to a single IMEI or Sim or whatever? Anything else tries to connect just gets shunted on to the real tower. The court order should allow only one phone to be monitored, not anybody that happens to be in the neighborhood.

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  25. Suspected this for a while by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    I've had very weird signal connections and data problems in certain areas of Baltimore. And have been convinced for a while that I've been encountering a stingray tower in certain areas.

  26. Re:What did they do before Stingrays? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    Posted by Soulskill on Monday April 20, 2015 @09:11PM
    from the i-don't-remember-that-episode-of-The-Wire dept.

    I think the editor beat them to it.

  27. You're wrong and the moderators agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was a horrible show, and since they marked you as a troll, they agree that it and you are pieces of shit. There was nothing like this on the show. You should feel bad for being such a bitch liar.

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  30. A interception device for interceptors by Bust0ut · · Score: 1

    The phone operating system could also prevent this from happening. The police are easy targets but Google and Apple do not change until the consumer does. The choice of mobile phone and operating system you get is: 1 device and 1 operating system. I purchased a Chinese Meizu MX6 with plans to change the OS for this reason. They are tracking you with the phone design you must buy and the keys are kept with the service providers. Take notice how the cell phone commercials say "Verizon service sucks" or "T-Mobile is great" but the phone you get is 100% identical and only comes out once a year. Look at how the illusion of choice is presented --> http://www.popisms.com/Televis... That commercial only provides the consumer with one choice of product!

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  31. Repeater system by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Most likely the SSA office has a cell phone repeater system installed inside the building to provide decent service for the workers and clients. I have installed multiple systems inside office buildings when the local tower is not providing a decent signal.