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Security Companies Accused of Exaggerating Iran's Cyberthreats Against the US

An anonymous reader writes: A widely-read report accusing Iran of hundreds of thousands of cyberattacks against the U.S. is being criticized as hugely inaccurate as well as motivated by marketing and politics, according to a new whitepaper and critics around the security industry. The original report, solicited by a conservative think tank and published by Norse in the lead up to the RSA Security Conference, hit the front page of the New York Times by calling handshakes and network scans "sophisticated cyberattacks."

37 comments

  1. Well Duhhhhhh by BlindRobin · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's called marketing... Geeez

    1. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Worse than that. Exaggeration is most of what the computer security industry consists of. It's filled with s'kiddies bored to tears of the tedium of their existence, calling themselves "hackers" to nicen up the blogposts detailing with loving care all the tiny aspects of something new-ish that lightened up their day.

      Hollywood didn't help, nor did journos barely understanding what they were supposed to be reporting on. And now governments got involved, so government money is up for grabs. You wouldn't believe the money available for someone purporting to offer a solution to self-invented "problems" that even merely appear to be related to the latest defense topic, like "cyberspace".

      In that sense, the entire industry keeps on selling digital bomb dowsing rods, with marketeering materials to match, of course.

    2. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by shione · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      ....or propaganda to show Iran in a bad light.

    3. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by gtall · · Score: 1

      Propaganda? By companies against Iran? I give up, why would they do that? They're worried about Iran's cybersecurity companies' prowess?

    4. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there is money in telling governments what they want to hear.

      See also the old warning about the "military/industrial complex". That has proven well-founded, and in the meantime the beast has acquired "security" and "cybersecurity" wings too.

    5. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because Iran is working on nukes for energy purposes, and sending it's navy to Yemen for humanitarian aide. I'm sure it's all propaganda.

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    6. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      Iran's actions with regards Yemen are purely regional politics, nothing to do with any threats they may pose towards the West. Funny as it may seem, people and nations sometimes have multiple motivations to act.

      In case of Yemen, it is a matter of Saudi-Arabia, Iran's most prominent opponent in the region, flexing its muscles against mostly Shia militias in Yemen. Iran seeing itself as the voice of the Shia minority in the ME, it is no surprise it should intervene.

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    7. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And let's not forget that Israel 1) has advanced hacking technology 2) has a strong interest to paint Iran in a bad light...

    8. Re:Well Duhhhhhh by davester666 · · Score: 1

      you had me at "exaggerating"

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  2. Election time by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

    Candidates are being announced for the primaries and the conservative party needs a big bad strawman to wave around and claim that the current government is ignoring in order to rally their supporters.

    1. Re:Election time by meglon · · Score: 2

      You're right in a way... the problem it trivializes is that there's a faction of people in this country who lie anytime they need to dupe idiots into a frenzy about some made up threat, and those fucking asswipes NEVER face repercussions from their lies. Grumpy pretty much hit it on the head.... it's worthless lying sacks of shit trying to influence politics (and make money). Life isn't always simple... but sometimes it is.

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    2. Re:Election time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this is the moment that you force everything down and say that all threats are negligible, that is when they could bite you in the ass. If someone says that the dog-people of Venus are a threat, you can say that they are crazy... Iran... it would be far far wiser to say "you know, we've looked at the information that is available to us, and we think that it's not as bad as you say and you're exaggerating a bit for effect."

    3. Re:Election time by dale.furno · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just like Climate Change and Gay Rights

  3. One DDOS by Trachman · · Score: 1

    Must have been one lousy DDOS attack, one hundred thousand hits. Cyberattacks. According to the US law each and every computer generated hit is a crime and will be prosecuted to the most aggressive interpretation of the law.

  4. So what happened to North Korea? by sjwest · · Score: 1

    Once they where the bogeyman.

    1. Re:So what happened to North Korea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they will fight back with hacking, better to have a bogeyman who causes you absolutely no trouble.

    2. Re:So what happened to North Korea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have missed the report I saw last night about North Korea's attack that shut down much of South Korea's financial district. The report made a point of talking about how big their cyber hacker group was in North Korea. So they haven't disappeared yet, but NK hacking is seen as more of a threat to SK. Chinese hacking is the big threat to the USA.

  5. Not surprised by dkatana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only security companies, but also the US government. There is a clear interest to make sure the new Cybersecurity bill will not be stopped in Congress, and they'll do anything to make it happen. Same as with the NSA massive spying they want strong laws protecting their ability to control anyone, anywhere.

  6. What's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space Nutters making up threats about the Asteroid of Doom and staying on this rock? Or exaggerating the usefulness of space based solar power or mining asteroids or colonizing Mars?

    That would never happen. They're super-rational programmers and therefore know everything about the physical world.

  7. Whitehouse.gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every damn networking and Linux book - at least basic ones - always had the user ping whitehouse.gov and then traceroute as a diagnostic test.

    Maybe, these cyberattacks are just folks setting up Linux?

  8. DHI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the bottom of the site. It says Slashdot is part of the DHI group. What the fuck is the DHI group? Did they buy Slashdot? Did they buy Dice? When the fuck did all this happen?

    1. Re:DHI? by HybridST · · Score: 2

      A quick google search led me to Dice Holdings Inc.

        www.dhigroupinc.com/home-page/default.aspx

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  9. Re:Take it from a Greek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Libtards," "Arab Pigs": OK, so we established tha.t you are a hateful bigot

    And on top of that, you imply that the backwater hicks called the Macedonians "civilized" the Persians, whose culture was far more urbanized and sophisticated: you are an idiot, too!

    Keep up the good work making Greeks look good!

  10. a rather predictable move. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you think Irans "cyber" threat is exaggerated, try their actual threat. After failing to overthrow the regional government, the US has maintained a 50 year sore-spot for the rising middle eastern power that borders on the definition of angry playground bully. We gin up our animosity for the country with occasional mistranslations from the shah, fervent warmongering from Iran, and our own latent islamophobia. the reason you havent heard much saber rattling from the US lately is because after two government shutdowns, a massive recession, and two failed wars we're basically relegated to observer status in foreign politics. Sure, we'll hustle a drone across some parched desert country like yemen occasionally but the recent treaties brokered between Iran and the US betray the fact that we either participate willingly in some form of diplomatic process on their terms, or they ignore us from any process in the future with impunity.

    For vendors to bark up the cyber tree though? It might have worked 10 years ago for sure but now its a riskier gamble. Most people have forgotten the islamic republic single handedly and quite easily captured our most sophisticated drone. Perhaps the future threat is credible, that Iran would seek revenge for our Stuxnet attack on their nuclear research SCADA controllers, but thats predicated on the faulty logic that Iran would operate on a petty tit-for-tat foreign policy akin to the one the US has subscribed to for 40 years. Instead of feeding the trolls, Iran appears to just be focusing on nuclear power and something far more dangerous to the US than a nuclear bomb: Economic and energy independence. Building your own reactor fuel means you can power your cities outside your oil revenue and without having to purchase fuel from other countries. Everything from desalination to medical and industrial power now comes without the added caveat "with $foreign_nation assistance" and that means the US finds itself in the back seat the next time the middle east needs a desalination plant or X-Ray isotope. And it works as well as an ICBM as a deterrent, knowing the peaceful enrichment can rapidly turn into nuclear weapons if, say, another nation comes to overthrow your government again.

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    1. Re:a rather predictable move. by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      WW1 and WW2 happened in a little over a 30 years span and cost 65-100 million lives. It was follow by an economic almost golden age. I sometimes think that perhaps we really don't understand the motives of war.

  11. Why Would Anybody Suspect by BECoole · · Score: 2

    that cyberattacks came from a country whose leaders yell "Death to America"?

  12. Re:Take it from a Greek by BECoole · · Score: 0

    Persians (a.k.a. Iranians) are much better than Arabs (i.e., Islamic pigs)!

    That's not saying much.

  13. Somebody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody trying to sell you something may have exaggerated your need for said item? Really? I almost don't believe it.

  14. Re:Take it from a Greek by dave420 · · Score: 1

    And your reply said a lot - namely that you are a tiny-minded, scared bigot. Bravo.

  15. Attacks from Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know that almost every attack which appear to come from China and Iran actually come from a small Norwegian village called Hell? I can prove it by giving some campaign contributions to a random congress person who also gets money from the US oil industry.

  16. Cry "WOLF!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, it's the little kid who cried WOLF so many times that when a real wolfy threat occurred, no one would listen to them.

  17. Let's be honest here... by endus · · Score: 1

    I'm all for accurate information not driven by hype/politics/marketing, but the state of U.S. cybersecurity is pretty dismal. Whatever you want to believe about the number and sophistication of the attacks, the preparedness in both the private and public sectors has a long way to go.

  18. what is it good for by 101percent · · Score: 1

    These people are just trying to sell you another war folks. They don't give a shit about the security of the internet.