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A Cheap, Ubiquitous Earthquake Warning System

Tekla Perry writes: Earthquake alert systems that give a 10 or 20 second warning of an impending temblor, enabling automatic systems to shut down and people to take cover, are hugely expensive to build and operate. (One estimate is $38.3 milllion for equipment to span California, and another $16.1 million annually to operate.) But a Palo Alto entrepreneur thinks he's got a way to sense earthquakes and provide alerts far more cheaply and with much greater resolution. And he's got money from the National Science Foundation to begin the first test of his system — covering the Bay Area from Santa Cruz to Napa and the cities of Hollister, Coalinga, and Parkfield. He starts that test next month.

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  1. What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm... let me think... $38.3M one time and $16.1M/year in maintenance does sound like pocket cash to me, given the population at risk here...

    1. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was my thought too. $38 mil is nothing for california, and given the upside (lots of people not dying horribly), it seems worth funding.

      To put in perspective, last year CA made $82m on cigarette taxes alone and plans to spend about 10.3 billion in public safety spending 2015. I think $36m for this cause could easily be raised and appropriated.

      Hell, just fully legalize pot and let the taxes on that pay for it. Who's onboard?

    2. Re:What am I missing? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2

      A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon we are talking big money!

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    3. Re:What am I missing? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      That was my thought too. $38 mil is nothing for california, and given the upside (lots of people not dying horribly), it seems worth funding.

      To put in perspective, last year CA made $82m on cigarette taxes alone and plans to spend about 10.3 billion in public safety spending 2015. I think $36m for this cause could easily be raised and appropriated.

      Hell, just fully legalize pot and let the taxes on that pay for it. Who's onboard?

      while it is a nice thought I seriously doubt 10 seconds is going to stop many, if any, from dying. It would take a person the best part of that 10 seconds just to realize what was happening as it happens so infrequently OR if the alarm is to sensitive that it goes off all the time for minor tremors then it would be just like a car alarm where people barely even realize one is going off and again still won't react in time.

    4. Re:What am I missing? by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      ...hugely expensive to build and operate. (One estimate is $38.3 milllion for equipment to span California, and another $16.1 million annually to operate.

      WHAT? That is crazy cheap for the benefit if it prevents some damage and loss of life in an earthquake. In California, with the building codes in place, most of the damage and injuries come not from collapses but from falling building contents. A system like this would be a huge boon, allowing buildings to develope emergency lockdown procedures that take only seconds to secure dangerous equipment and allow people precious seconds to take cover away from windows and dangerous objects.

    5. Re:What am I missing? by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      10 seconds is more than enough for automated systems to trigger safety protocols.
      Also note that people-not-dying isn't the only possible benefit. People-not-hurt seems pretty good too. Limiting damage to equipment might also be convenient.

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    6. Re:What am I missing? by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Though this is likely a cost-benefit solution to saving property & lives, it seems unlikely the estimated costs will be accurate past the first change order.

      The business of government contracting not only implies cost overruns... it virtually guarantees it.

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    7. Re:What am I missing? by beernutmark · · Score: 2

      Natural gas valves could be shutoff at the building or even better at the substations. "The San Francisco earthquake of 1906 caused 90% of damage by fire." http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/...

    8. Re: What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pianos and safes, mostly. Oh, and anvils.

    9. Re:What am I missing? by pollarda · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, it is this kind of thinking that has caused California to be flat broke. You thought this last economic downturn was bad, just wait until California runs out of ways to juggle its debts and declares bankruptcy. While this article is a bit dated, this article seems to cover it nicely (and there are many more like it).

      This isn't to say a good earthquake warning system isn't money well spent simply that California should be less knee jerk about all the projects that they spend their citizens money on.

    10. Re:What am I missing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Can you give an example of what type of dangerous equipment would need to be secured and could be done so in 10 seconds?

      Elevators can stop at the next floor and open their doors.
      Nuclear power plants can insert their control rods.
      Toll bridges can close their gates so no more cars go onto the bridge.
      Same for tunnels.
      Gas valves can shut off.
      Turbines can slow down or stop.
      Sirens can sound in tsunami zones.
      Active seismic control systems can apply tension.
      Bank vaults can lock.
      Automatic security systems can be notified to prevent a flood of false alarms.
      Data centers can sync their HDDs and start their diesel generators.
      Fire station roll up doors can automatically open, so they don't jam closed in the quake.
      Commuter trains can slow down and stop.
      Approaching aircraft can be delayed or diverted.
      Traffic lights can go to all-red.

    11. Re:What am I missing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      if such a system is possible, why the fuck hasn't the state or insurance companies ponied up the cash to obtain and maintain it?

      I live in California. We already have a warning system. The biggest problem is that the authorities abuse it by sending out a lot of crap to 20 million cell phones, like "***AMBER ALERT*** CHILD KIDNAPPED BY NON-CUSTODIAL PARENT WITH NO HISTORY OF VIOLENCE IN SAN DIEGO WHICH IS 600 MILES FROM WHERE YOU LIVE. NOTIFY POLICE IMMEDIATELY IF YOU SEE A SILVER CAR, OR MAYBE IT WAS BLUE.***". They need to cut back on the garbage messages so people pay attention when there is a real problem.

  2. XKCD Already Proposed Something Similar by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once again, life imitates art.

    https://xkcd.com/723/

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  3. "$38.3 milllion for equipment to span California" by Nutria · · Score: 2

    The gov't should convince insurance companies to band together and pony up the cash.

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  4. Re:GPS by ledow · · Score: 2

    What are the chances that you could get people to sign up for some kind of app, SETI@Home-like, that frequency-analyses the accelerometer in a phone tied with the GPS-location without any extra fancy hardware?

    Done en-masse, FFT'ing to a graph of an interesting frequency range, talking back to a cloud server, surely you could spot a pattern even through the noise of every single movement of every phone in order to detect a consistent, regional variation in a certain, shared, frequency range?

    Surely, if you just have enough people signed up to the app, you can not only detect an earthquake (whether you can detect it early enough to do anything is still an open question, really - predicting earthquakes is little more than voodoo, and it's only physical movement of the earth itself that we can actually detect and report on!) but you could also use the app to alert those same people as it happens?

  5. That's an expensive dog! by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And they give more than 10 seconds warning. My Jack Russell cross (with Fox Terrier) had distinctive behavior that announced earthquakes. A minute - a minute and a half before quakes she'd act like it was a bad thunderstorm (try and hide under me). About 20 seconds before hand she'd start barking furiously with a mohawk-type ridge of hair standing up along her spine and try and drag me outside, once outside she'd go back to trying to hide under me. Others have reported the same reaction with Jack Russells

    It took a while before we associated the behavior with earthquakes that were often too small or distant for us to notice.

    Not all dogs will reliably detect earthquakes but Jack Russells seem to be very sensitive (they can't stand to be near wood fires or in the same room as an audio recording of one either) - possibly because either/or they are a "below ground dog" (love going down burrows); are "ratters" (have the hearing to listen to rodents).

    1. Re:That's an expensive dog! by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      There are two types of waves associated with an earthquake.

      There are a few more than two...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

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  6. Re:"$38.3 milllion for equipment to span Californi by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    The gov't should convince insurance companies to band together and pony up the cash.

    Insurance companies won't be interested. This doesn't save expensive buildings. It gives people a chance to get out of buildings just in time. For an insurance, dead people are cheap.

  7. Cost of a NOAA Doppler Radar by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The cost of a single NOAA Doppler radar in 2010 was $7,000,000. That's just to buy the system and install it, no operating budget.

    This funding will complete the purchase of a Doppler Radar system for Southwest Washington and provide for the land and installation costs associated with the system.

    The cost of the "expensive" earthquake early warning system is around the cost of 5 Doppler systems. As of 2013 the National Weather service has access to 159 Doppler installations.

    In addition to the 122 NWS-owned radars, the full nationwide radar network includes another 37 radar sites owned by the FAA and Defense Department, which will be completely upgraded to dual-pol technology this summer. NOAA’s NEXRAD radar program is a tri-agency effort with NOAA, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the United States Air Force.

    Note that the national radar network is being upgraded to high end Doppler for tornado and severe storm detection. So why do those in the Midwest, Gulf Coast and East Coast deserve early warning on tornadoes and California gets peanuts ($5,000,000) for the inevitable large earthquake? Politics.

    Congressman Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) can't explain why more money wasn't approved.

    "It's inexplicable given how much we have at stake here. Obviously these have been very tough budgetary times, but if you're going to invest in something that is significant down the road, this is about the best investment you can make," he said.

    Japan, Mexico, Turkey and Mongolia already have similar systems in place.

    So they can afford this in Mongolia and it's too much for California? Really?

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  8. Kindness of strangers? by pz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (Caution: I read the article.)

    Sounds like a pretty good idea, all-told. An engineer does good with his PhD thesis, starting a non-profit company to create inexpensive MEMS-based earthquake sensors that use the cellular network for communication. Makes them cheap enough that he can deploy them all over the place. But who pays for upkeep? Who pays for electricity?

    Here, we get to the problem: he depends on the kindness of strangers to bolt these small devices to their wall and plug them in -- permanently -- to an available outlet. Why would sufficiently many people do that? And since the dwelling turnover in California is so high (at least compared to the other cities I've lived in, CA residents seem to switch apartments at a furious pace), what's the plan for transferring ownership / upkeep agreements? WIth tens of thousands of sensors, that sounds like an ongoing, permanent customer service management nightmare.

    Don't get me wrong, the idea's a good one. It might be easier to convince people to download an app that looks for tell tale acceleration signatures of a quake. Cell phones already have location information and the owners are already motivated for other reasons to keep them charged and maintained. The potential downside is that the data quality is likely much lower since cell phones aren't rigidly attached to terra firma.

    But that, then, suggests perhaps a dual layer system that includes some company-maintained (he's running a business, after-all) sensors, say installed in a less dense mesh on telephone poles or street lights where they have ready access to (a) rigid fixation, and (b) electrical power, and, importantly, (c) won't be screwed with by the dog / kid / furniture mover. Moreover, upright structures with high aspect ratios, like streetlights, likely amplify ground movement, making detection that much easier. Use that streetlight network for coarse sampling, and the voluntarily downloaded apps as lower-grade, spatially denser sampling. And then, as Randall Munroe suggests in XKCD, monitor the twitterverse for earthquake terms. The apps have next to zero running costs, perhaps only sporadic development and a download server somewhere, the mesh network installation costs can be split between local municipalities, the state, and the NSF, with a maintenance contract to the company from the state. Heck, I'm starting to talk myself into a good business plan!

    But depending on the kindness of strangers to install and maintain a thing in their house? Not such a good idea.

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    1. Re:Kindness of strangers? by mean+pun · · Score: 2

      This is why there are governments.

      First do a study if this is really a good idea, including a scalability test. Then if so, Explain the citizens why this is such a good idea, and why this is worth the small investment. Then make it mandatory in the building code. Use some carrots and sticks to let people add sensors to existing buildings.

      All boring existing government machinery, but that's how civilised countries got things line warning sirens, vaccination programs, street lights, fire departments, etc. etc.

    2. Re:Kindness of strangers? by coofercat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do Californians tend to take their smoke alarms with them when they move house? I ask because where I live we don't tend to do so - if the place you're moving to doesn't have one then you can choose to get one (or not), but once fitted, they tend to stay that way. A lot are battery powered, but all new renovations and new builds have to have mains powered ones that are linked together (just a modicum of building control regulation ensures this). It strikes me that this isn't all that different to having a smoke alarm fitted to your ceiling. If his plan works out, then why couldn't it be added to building control regulations as smoke alarms are where I live?

  9. Re:Someone is going to get a surprise by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
    A system that monitors 100,000 sensors and is capable of sending messages to almost 40 million people is not going to be done for free.

    Depends on the level of mnitoring a day. One ping a day, and inbound alerts on "quake detected"? A PIII on ADSL would probably handle that!

    Or, of course, you could give the contract to EDS, and pay $38B.

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  10. Re:"$38.3 milllion for equipment to span Californi by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    The gov't should convince insurance companies to band together and pony up the cash.

    This reminds me of an old Monty Python joke. When asked about tax policies, one bowler hat guy quips: "I think we should tax foreigners, living abroad!"

    In any democracy, one thing is certain: A bunch of folks think that a bunch of other folks should pay for something all of them need.

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  11. Re:"$38.3 milllion for equipment to span Californi by dcw3 · · Score: 2

    True, but then, they wouldn't need convincing, would they?

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  12. Re:GPS by ledow · · Score: 2

    I should think that something like an earthquake - a regular, powerful, but maybe overall-small contribution, to movement that's visible in frequency data from a range of devices in a geographical area (i.e. averaging out the noise from all devices to leave behind that which is only common to them all) would show up.

    I might be vastly wrong here, but even a few thousand devices reporting a set of FFT data of a certain frequency range (which range would take experimentation but I guess existing research would be able to point the way quite quickly), averaged out with nearby neighbours, and then compared geographically should be able to avoid any random noise and provide enough info to know something is up. In the same way that astrophotography often uses image-stacking - take 1000 blurry photographs, center them, overlay them, average them out (so they each only contribute 1000th of the signal for each pixel) and you can get some pin-sharp detail of what's actually there in the images.

    A 1000 people running the app in Silicon Valley should be enough to average out "in your pocket bounces", "car vibration", etc. to provide just the background movement that's apparent in all of them.

  13. Re:Cell phones as quake detectors by tgeller · · Score: 2
    Let's try those links again... Check out this project led by Caltech, which (largely) obviates the need for government-paid equipment: "Your Phone as Quake Detector"
    1. Article in Communications of the ACM
    2. Video I made about it
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