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ATT, DirecTV Mega-Merger May Go Through

An anonymous reader writes: Hot on the heels of Comcast's failed attempt to swallow up Time Warner Cable, AT&T's pursuit of satellite provider DirecTV is plowing forward. What would be the result of a wireline and cellular mega-monopoly buying one of only two subscription satellite TV providers? Has to be worse than a Comcast/TWC marriage ... at least there, the territories and services offered didn't overlap at all, but AT&T offers voice, data, and television in many markets already. Adding satellite would stifle competition for television services (and to a lesser extent, because satellite is only best suited for rural installations, data).

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  1. Has to be worse? by Yebyen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who is this anonymous reader who confidently asserts that it's worse?

    How can it be worse? I call bullshit.

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    1. Re:Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      comcast would have competition, that's sucks

    2. Re:Has to be worse? by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Equally bad perhaps? Who cares, block it! The industry is already an oligopoly. Any merger of these companies is unwarranted.

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    3. Re:Has to be worse? by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who is this anonymous reader who confidently asserts that it's worse?

      How can it be worse? I call bullshit.

      What does it matter when at the end of the day a suitcase full of cash and a few dozen lobbyists will trump every single anti-monopoly law we have in existence.

      In the end, we will have but 3 or 4 main players offering up damn near every service you use in your life. And you're going to take it and like it, no matter how much it cost, because a suitcase full of cash and a few dozen lobbyists guaranteed you have no one else to turn to for those services.

      Now let's sit back and enjoy the corporate overlord show. After all, there's not a damn thing you can do to change it.

      Think you can? Now I'm the one calling bullshit.

    4. Re:Has to be worse? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I'll take a stab at it.

      TWC and Comcast were two companies that offered the same product in completely different markets. In terms of their affect on the market, they would have had more power over, say, publishers (ie the TV networks), but no more power over, say, home Internet/Cable/Telephone prices than they did before, as the amount of competition in each area would have been unchanged.

      The power over publishers may have been good or bad, depending on whether it's "We insist you unbundle ESPN and make it a la carte, or else nobody in half the country will be able to get it or the other networks you want bundled any more!" or "We insist that Comedy Central now be a TWComcast-only channel!" thing.

      DirecTV and AT&T however are two companies that offer overlapping products in overlapping markets. Therefore, if you already live in an area served by AT&T, you will get one less choice (and thus see less competition) for TV service (at minimum) than you did before. Meanwhile AT&T gets to also turn the screws on TV networks. And additionally AT&T gets less suitors for bundling Internet access with satellite service - namely Dish Network can no longer offer discounted broadband by reselling AT&T's.

      So yeah, it's worse.

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    5. Re:Has to be worse? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      What does it matter when at the end of the day a suitcase full of cash and a few dozen lobbyists will trump every single anti-monopoly law we have in existence.

      So Comcast is buying TWC?

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    6. Re:Has to be worse? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      One way I see, is that right now DirecTV does bundling with regional telephone operators for the TV bit of voice / data / TV bundles. You can bet that AT&T would put a stop to that, as that would mark a competitive advantage for them in that market.

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    7. Re:Has to be worse? by crashumbc · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll take a stab at it.

      TWC and Comcast were two companies that offered the same product in completely different markets. In terms of their affect on the market, they would have had more power over, say, publishers (ie the TV networks), but no more power over, say, home Internet/Cable/Telephone prices than they did before, as the amount of competition in each area would have been unchanged.

      While your attempt was noble, this is completely wrong. Both are already monopolies in 90%+ of their market areas. But at least now people can complain that the "other one" is only charging xyz for service in the next town over. IF the merger had gone through the "new" company would just raise prices and lower service EVERYWHERE...

    8. Re:Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess full cooperation with the NSA has its benefits.
       

    9. Re:Has to be worse? by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 2

      Well, I'll take a stab at it.

      TWC and Comcast were two companies that offered the same product in completely different markets. In terms of their affect on the market, they would have had more power over, say, publishers (ie the TV networks), but no more power over, say, home Internet/Cable/Telephone prices than they did before, as the amount of competition in each area would have been unchanged.

      While your attempt was noble, this is completely wrong. Both are already monopolies in 90%+ of their market areas. But at least now people can complain that the "other one" is only charging xyz for service in the next town over. IF the merger had gone through the "new" company would just raise prices and lower service EVERYWHERE...

      You completely misunderstood, the parent was saying that Directv and ATT were competing, not TWC and Comcast. For consumers, TWC and Comcast do not compete. Whereas today, if AT&T Uverse TV rips you off you can dump them for DirecTV, who will then rip you off instead.
      If the merger goes through you won't be able to switch providers, or the ripoff will be computer coordinated to continue. They have rules and filters set up to do that.

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    10. Re: Has to be worse? by jd2112 · · Score: 0

      Eventually

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    11. Re:Has to be worse? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Both are already monopolies in 90%+ of their market areas

      Correct. Which means I was right. If they were monopolies in their market areas then there's no way, by definition, they could have been competing with one another, right?

      By comparison, AT&T and DirecTV are competitors, they both offer TV service in the markets where AT&T operates. Therefore merging the two reduces competition.

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    12. Re:Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the launch of UVerse in my area, I was allowed to bundle my services AT&T and DirecTV services through some sort of agreement. AT&T upgraded the system to UVerse about the time I moved houses and I was not allowed to retain our bundle. I'm not able to get UVerse at my house due to them not actually upgrading my street, but I'm not able to bundle either. With the merger, I should get to bundle everything up again.

    13. Re:Has to be worse? by Yebyen · · Score: 0

      I think it's disingenuous to say that the two cable providers in the country don't compete with each other because they don't occupy the same physical space.

      People move from city to city all the time, and granted most people are not going to decide where they should move based on which cable provider they will have to deal with when they get there, but for these people who move inside the country, there will be 100% less choice in cable provider if there was a merger between TWC and Comcast. For everyone else, OK you're right, there was no choice to begin with.

      Surely if you've ever played Go, I think you'll agree that any competition between two parties over the ownership of finite territorial areas is indeed still most definitely competition.

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    14. Re:Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they put an end to this? In those regions where AT&T is not the (landline) phone provider, it would behoove them to take a smaller piece of the pie and bundle with the local monopoly. Unless they absolutely destroy those business relationships, of course.

    15. Re:Has to be worse? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Why do you think TWC and Comcast did not have overlapping markets?

      You're not just a little bit concerned that two of the largest cable providers do not compete at all?

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    16. Re:Has to be worse? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      What does it matter when at the end of the day a suitcase full of cash and a few dozen lobbyists will trump every single anti-monopoly law we have in existence.

      Well, there's your answer, then. I'm sure the entire citizenry of the U.S. can produce more suitcases full of cash than AT&T and Direct TV can.

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    17. Re:Has to be worse? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you're getting at here. It sounds as if you think I'm arguing for corporations to serve different markets, rather than observing that they do, and the consequences thereof when it comes to proposed mergers.

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    18. Re:Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they Live in Canada where Bell (the phone company in Central/East Canada) owns one DTH sattelite service (Formerly known as ExpressVu) and the Cable Company in Western Canada (Shaw) owns the other one (formerly known as StarChoice)

      Media Consolidation is BAD FOR YOU. In the US you only have DirectTV and Dish, which are basically the same hardware as the Canadians use, just different transponders or different birds (satellites) used with a different smartcard.

      It would be extremely bad for any kind of merger betweet AT&T and pretty much anyone. If had the power to break up companies again I'd have all the ISP services divested from the cableTV/satellite/broadcast services, and have content production to be divested and broken back up. There should be no reason for any of this media consolidation, it's bad for consumers when only 20 movies are made per year, and they are all produced and distribured by just two companies (Disney and Warner.) The same companies who own half of the broadcast cable assets.

    19. Re: Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By nature Directv and dish compete with EVERYONE because they are available in all markets the only thing that holds a satellite company back is trees and landlord permissions so its a flawed argument.

    20. Re: Has to be worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a flawed argument?

    21. Re:Has to be worse? by suutar · · Score: 1

      of course. But can they spare it to hire lobbyists after buying all the necessities and "necessities" of life?

    22. Re:Has to be worse? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      More to the point, some time back in the 1980s or 1990s, the cable companies and municipalities were sued over the government-granted monopolies they were getting for subscription TV service. They eventually prevailed in court with the argument that satellite TV companies like DirecTV and Dish provided sufficient competition that they weren't really a monopoly. i.e. Even if a city gave Comcast a local cable TV monopoly, anyone in the area could subscribe to DirecTV instead, so it wasn't really a TV service monopoly. This is why Comcast, TW, Verizon, AT&T, etc. are currently allowed to be given service monopolies by the local government.

      I really don't see how this merger can be approved. Either they'll have to risk giving up their local cable monopolies (which they'll never do willingly), or they're gonna have to prove Dish alone is a viable competitor. This is further complicated now that Internet service is a major component of their offerings. Satellite TV companies which offer Internet service typically use satellite for the downlink but DSL for the uplink. Which was OK when the DSL, cable, and satellite companies were all different. But with Verizon and AT&T effectively turning DSL and cable companies into the same thing, for Dish to provide Internet service they'd have to contract with AT&T, who is their competitor for TV service.

    23. Re:Has to be worse? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I think that is most likely actually because someone in the area you moved to was offering DirecTV a better deal than AT&T was in that region. Your main point likely stands, because a merger between AT&T and DirecTV would no doubt preclude them from bundling with other companies except for regions where AT&T has no service coverage whatsoever, but that's likely got little or nothing to do with the upgrade to U-Verse in the area you moved from. In my region, for example, DirecTV will happily bundle you with U-Verse, whereas just a few blocks east of here where I used to live their choice was Time Warner Cable. For all I know this may change from block-to-block, or even building-to-building.

    24. Re:Has to be worse? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      What does it matter when at the end of the day a suitcase full of cash and a few dozen lobbyists will trump every single anti-monopoly law we have in existence.

      Well, there's your answer, then. I'm sure the entire citizenry of the U.S. can produce more suitcases full of cash than AT&T and Direct TV can.

      The "citizenry" of the US won't even get their ass off the couch to vote for the person who will lead the entire country for the next few years, and you expect them to actually give a shit about this AND open their wallets.

      Oh yeah, that smells believable...

  2. Sigh by koan · · Score: 1, Troll

    I think we all knew Comcast was going to try again for the TW merger or move on to something else, this is too much for one corporation to control.

    In fact I think Comcast should be broken up by region and/or forced to upgrade their networks to at least South Korea levels.

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    1. Re:Sigh by koan · · Score: 1

      LOL, lots of Comcast employees here...

      What's it like working for thieving termites?

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  3. AT&T Hughes wouldn't have the same impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as BugsCast. AT&T wouldn't be able to go to content providers and dictate terms.

  4. Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months! by kuhnto · · Score: 1

    It seems that every time something great comes along to stir the pot such as Replay TV, something happens to ruin the fun. I am sure ATT will kill that little JEM before the ink has dried on the contract.

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  5. Re:Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sling TV is a part of Dish Network not DirecTV. A merger with AT&T can only help DirecTV's technology since they haven't innovated shit ever (I liked AT&T U-Verse, though).

  6. Re:Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months by Tauvix · · Score: 3, Informative

    SlingTV is offered by Dish, not DirecTV.

  7. Comcast and Time Warner by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Comcast was voted the Worst Company in America in 2014. Time Warner doesn't win that contest, but they're often a strong contender. ATT Uverse and DirecTV don't have that problem.

    1. Re:Comcast and Time Warner by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      AT&T's logo is the Death Star, fer cryin' out loud. Just because they're not as bad as Comcast, doesn't mean they're not terrible.

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  8. Worse? Probably not! by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing with DirecTV is, they've never really been more than a minor player in the area of providing high speed internet service to customers.
    (Heck, these are the guys who still needed you to plug each satellite receiver into a phone jack so it could phone home to let you purchase pay-per-view programming, YEARS after everyone was otherwise rid of their dial-up modems.)

    I know for a long time, they were offering "TV and internet bundles" that simply partnered with AT&T to sell someone DSL service as the internet portion of the package.

    Yes, they sell satellite based broadband internet to people today ... but again, it's really just a niche market. Satellite based internet has such high latency, it makes it useless for online gaming (at least in many situations), and it's still pretty expensive if you're going to transfer a lot of data each month. Just like satellite TV, it loses signal in bad weather too.

    If AT&T buys them out, I can't really envision the negative impact? It sounds like you'd still get some sort of satellite television subscription while using the service, regardless of the company brand name on the system -- and AT&T would have no reason to cancel your ability to do satellite internet. (I think they have their own satellite offering right now? Or at least they did until recently. Maybe they'd transition you over to it?)

    And for those concerned that this would make their satellite connections more expensive? Dish Network has always been a little cheaper than DirecTV and you'd still be able to cancel and go with them instead, anywhere in the country.

    1. Re:Worse? Probably not! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Hey! Stop being rational! You're supposed to rant and scream about the potential for abuse by big corporations -- this IS Slashdot, after all, land of the paranoid schizophrenics...

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    2. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      land of the paranoid

      It's not paranoia when the rules of capitalism dictate that they must give me the minimum service at the maximum price.

    3. Re:Worse? Probably not! by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      They ran a fine DSL service back when that was semi-new technology. I still have the DirecTV DSL modem somewhere. It was enormous, but it worked great. If not for them, I wouldn't have DSL now. The phone company always refused to fix their crap to get DSL to my part of town. DirecTV managed to force them to act somehow.

      I've had DirecTV since 2000-ish and I really hope AT&T doesn't fuck it up. They're a major player in my area (southern NH), there are more houses with DirecTV dishes than there are without. No one likes the other option.. Comcast. Comcast actually sent sales people door to door to beg people to switch. I never saw any dishes come down, so I can guess how that went for them.

    4. Re:Worse? Probably not! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      The funny thing about paranoia is while you're in the throws of it, no one can convince you you're over-reacting. As someone who suffers from bi-polar, I know this first hand.

      If you think a satellite TV provider filling in the coverage gap for a land/fiber line based provider is a "bad thing", you need to go see a shrink, get diagnosed, and start taking your meds. Especially considering how long these two companies have already had a service-provider partnership in place.

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    5. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      FYI: Many sat providers still require an independent Internet connection - my Dish Hopper set for instance still wants/demands Wifi access to your home Internet so that it can receive updates and let you purchase PPV. You can get by without it, but it won't do PPV until you connect it.

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    6. Re:Worse? Probably not! by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      DirecTV does too, last I checked. That's how it does the billing. Also how it gets video-on-demand, which is funny because if everything was available over VOD, the dish on the roof would be pointless.

    7. Re:Worse? Probably not! by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      DirecTV does too, last I checked. That's how it does the billing. Also how it gets video-on-demand, which is funny because if everything was available over VOD, the dish on the roof would be pointless.

      Odd, my DirectTV receiver doesn't have a WiFi connection. It does have a phone line but it doesn't use it much. I left it disconnected for the better part of a year and it kept working fine.

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    8. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all you guys are focusing on internet, and how dsl or fiber is in no competition with satellite.. you may be mostly right (at least in areas where the dsl or fiber or other wireline service is available).. but the deal-breaker here is television...

      most markets at&t does tv in has a choice of (for pay providers):

      incumbent cable company (one)
      satellite (two)

      at&t buying directv would effectively reduce competition options by one-third (3 to 2 competitors) and give at&t control of *half* the options (2 of the 4 options)...

      so put aside your ideals and morals and personal preferences (dont watch tv / nothing on anyway / i cut the cord / yada yada yada).. and take your blinders off (it's not just about *data*, that's the smallest part)....

      and comprehend the basic fact that at&t + directv = bad, very bad.

      or to look at it another way.. what if it was comcast buying out directv? yuk right? at&t being the buyer is no different.

    9. Re:Worse? Probably not! by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Yea, my older receiver had the phone line unplugged almost its entire life span. My current one doesn't actually have wifi, it has a physical ethernet port. I think the newer ones do have wifi.

      They have a "start from the beginning" feature now too. So if you start watching a show that's in progress, for many shows, you can stream the part you missed. Only catch is that it disables fast forward so you have to let the commercials play. That's probably the only reason they're allowed to offer the feature. I worked on a similar feature for some of the cable providers and that's why we had to add support for optionally disabling "trick play".

    10. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The reason for the phone is because there is literally no other way to get data back to the office. Comcast doubles as internet, so there's a two way communication. Same with AT&T. For satellite it's mostly one way only.

      Though DirecTV was small, it was often used by people sick of their local cable providers, because it was cheaper and had better service and for a long time better digital quality (especially if local cable monopoly was stuck on analog or charged a huge amount for digital).

    11. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I loved DirecTV when I had it. I cut the cord, but not because it sucked but because it felt like a lot of money (still much cheaper than comcast) when almost everything I watched was available for streaming.

    12. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      My DirecTV never had video on demand, it had pay per view though, as it all came down from satellite as broadcast. The newer model though may have done something with internet, but if your internet sucks then video on demand would be horrid.

    13. Re:Worse? Probably not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not paranoia when the rules of capitalism dictate that they must give me the minimum service at the maximum price.

      Spoken like a true sociology major.

  9. Is this all about spectrum? by apcullen · · Score: 2

    Does Direct TV own some piece of the wireless spectrum that AT&T could make use of, or vice versa?

    1. Re:Is this all about spectrum? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Direct TV own some piece of the wireless spectrum that AT&T could make use of, or vice versa?

      Yes, Direct TV has wireless spectrum AT&T can use..

    2. Re:Is this all about spectrum? by schnell · · Score: 1

      Does Direct TV own some piece of the wireless spectrum that AT&T could make use of, or vice versa?

      Not really. DirecTV uses the same Ku band (12-18 GHz) and Ka band (26-40 GHz) spectrum as other satellite TV broadcasters and Internet services do. At such a high frequency, it's great for delivering lots of data/HD video but has such weak propagation that you need line of sight to the satellite + a big honkin' dish to use it. So it's more or less useless for mobile phones or anything that's not fixed in location. Unless you'd like your next phone to have a .75m dish hanging off it and stand still, pointed up at the sky while you're using it.

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    3. Re:Is this all about spectrum? by OutOnARock · · Score: 1

      you mean like Al Franken on SNL?

  10. Gonna have to change their tag line... by N!k0N · · Score: 1

    "We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company" doesn't quite sum it up anymore... and well, "We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone/satellite company." just doesn't have as nice a ring to it.

    death-star or no, AT&T just doesn't have the same flavor of evil as TWC & Comcast. Least not in my experience anyway (now, I've never had them for anything other than landline ... and that was short lived, as they couldn't compete in the "internet" market ... and still can't where I live).

  11. A merger made in Gehenna by whizbang77045 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Directv's internet is so bad, that I don't see how AT&T could make it worse. I wonder if they may not really be after a way to distribute content.

    But regardless of what they are after, I don't believe we need any more mega-communications companies. Neither of these companies has any serious record of operating in the public interest, This is a marriage like the daughter of Dracula and the wolfman. Whatever is born of the union will howl at the moon, suck our blood with every bill, and snarl at us when we call the help line,

    1. Re:A merger made in Gehenna by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      On the contrary. AT&T's service is so bad that I don't see how Directv could make it worse.

    2. Re:A merger made in Gehenna by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Directv's internet is so bad, that I don't see how AT&T could make it worse.

      They could outsource services like email to Yahoo. They could block protocol 41 to prevent customers from tunneling IPv6 without paying for it. They could transparently proxy DNS and HTTP.

  12. u-verse needs to move most TV subs to sat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u-verse needs to move most TV subs to sat with u-verse being for people with no LOS / rain fade backup. And stop saving bandwidth to the home for TV only / let people go to fast path.

    Also higher bit rates on tv for gig power areas.

  13. Re:Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. DirectTV is one of the crappiest companies in existence (or at least that I've ever encountered and I've worked for a few that were real havens of suck).

    I had the displeasure of dealing with them a few years ago and was locked into a contract where I needed to continue to do so for a year. Their service, whether technical or billing was always terrible and not a single call with them went by without me shouting at them over the phone. Even the final call was a lot of shouting and I think I just ended up hanging up on them with some rude language.

    I wouldn't be surprised if DirecTV actually somehow made AT&T worse.

  14. Fixing the wrong problem by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    We keep trying to fix the wrong problem.

    Fix the last mile problem, and everything else goes away.

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    1. Re:Fixing the wrong problem by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      I'd bet that's why it isn't happening.. so many hated mega-corps could become unnecessary overnight. No one is going to stick with a company like Comcast or the other cable MSOs if they don't have to.

  15. Choice Shmoice. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Our family was considering DirectTV because AT&T plays billing games, and TWC has flaky quality. Now we are stuck again because they will be the same thing.

  16. If AT&T and DirecTV merge, I will cancel at&am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate DirecTV. I refuse to have any business with them. If at&t merges, I will take my business elsewhere...

  17. Re:Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months by OhPlz · · Score: 1

    Huh? Are you saying DirecTV will help AT&T or the other way around? DirecTV is the reason why cable and Dish subscribers have as many HD channels as they do. HD was going nowhere until DirecTV launched new satellites and made nearly every channel HD. After that, the other providers were forced to get off their asses and do something. They also have whole house DVR, stream to your smartphone etc.

  18. Producer and Distributer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a big problem with Comcast being a service provider and a content producer. I think that is the same power AT&T is seeking. For connectivity, We have some great less known options such as small fiber companies and WISPs (local, noncellular Wireless Internet Providers) that are giving us alternate options for getting connected to the net. This is because in the end, the smaller companies are more hands on and personal and versatile providing service than the big guys that only want a blanket business model. But all that competition is moot if all the programming that everyone wants is owned buy AT&T and Comcast and requires there connecting. How can a small company make any money by the time they pay for the privilege of offering content. That might be a big problem in the furute. Perhaps it already is, It is already obvious that IPTV services are not universally available yet. My only light of hope is that hey, if I can't get Discovery Channel, maybe enough other people can't as well, and a clone of that network will grow up and give more options.

  19. Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by tepples · · Score: 1

    In fact I think Comcast should be broken up by region and/or forced to upgrade their networks to at least South Korea levels.

    That's fine if you agree to upgrade the urban population density to at least South Korea networks.

    1. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by koan · · Score: 1

      50 million illegals have moved into this country, I think the urban density is far higher than you imagine, or that is documented.

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    2. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by tepples · · Score: 1

      Even with undocumented migrants, population density in most U.S. cities is still nowhere near the high-rise apartment density you see in Japan or Korea.

    3. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by koan · · Score: 1

      Yet you provide no data for your claim.

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    4. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old population density:network speed fallacy...

    5. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      he doesn't need to provide a citation because it's all in the census data, you can look up the population density of New York, Chicago, or LA and compare them to Seoul. Not only that, but in the US population density drops quickly, but in Korea it stays high

    6. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by koan · · Score: 1

      No he does, I'm tired of assholes just "saying it is so", provide data or GTFO, until then I stand with my assessment, that the USA has shitty internet and Comcast is a bunch of greedy termites that should be dismantled the same way ATT was previously.

      Fuck Comcast, fuck Verizon, fuck the FCC, and fuck this government of greedy poltroons.

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    7. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by koan · · Score: 1

      Additionally, since this information is "readily available" you could have posted it, and put and end to it, instead you chose to be lazy and just bitch, you must be a millennial, I see that behavior everyday.

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      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    8. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Why should I repost data that even a cursory google search can find? Besides, any dumb bunny knows that population density drops off outside of metro-areas in the US, but that in Korea the population is more concentrated.

      instead you chose to be lazy

      The lazy person was the one who didn't google. Why should I be the "Let Me Google That For You" guy?

      you must be a millennial, I see that behavior everyday.

      Yeah yeah, complain again about the Millenials, that's some axe you got against them, buddy. However I am not one of them, I was born in '67.

    9. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I'm tired of assholes just "saying it is so", provide data or GTFO

      You can research things yourself, can't you?

      until then I stand with my assessment, that the USA has shitty internet

      It does, but one of the many reasons it does is how our population is distributed.

      Comcast is a bunch of greedy termites that should be dismantled the same way ATT was previously.

      Probably, but AT&T isn't really dismantled any more, is it.

    10. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you're a "the sky is blue [citation needed]" type, let me Google that for you:

      • Seoul population density brought 44,691/sq mi (17,255/km^2)
      • Los Angeles population density brought 8,092.3/sq mi (2,913.0/km^2) and 546.3/sq mi (210.9/km^2) for the Greater LA area.

      In fact, Wikipedia's list of cities by population density includes only one U.S. city in the top 50, and that's the comparatively small city of Union City, New Jersey.

      Incidentally, Slashdot includes neither the character 'SUPERSCRIPT TWO' (U+00B2) in its character whitelist nor <sup> in its HTML element whitelist.

    11. Re:Low density areas with not a Seoul for miles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the one questioning the veracity of his statements, so you fuck off and do the legwork to prove him wrong, otherwise you should probably keep quiet lest you prove yourself to be even more of a loudmouthed fool.

  20. Re:Crap, and Sling TV has only been out for months by kuhnto · · Score: 1

    OOOPS!! I have embarrassed myself in front of the entire internet. Sorry

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    "A 'person' is smart. 'People' are dumb, panicky animals and you know that."
  21. Bad for consumers, yet technical merits by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    Such a deal would be bad for consumers, for certain. I suspect that AT&T may be trying to compete with cable companies by offering a TV service of its own through the satellite which would then bundle with AT&Ts landline services. Perhaps protections will be put in place to not have an adverse anticompetitive impact on Dish TV, and other landline providers.

    Now I am speaking from a technical perspective here and idealistically rather than how the chips would fall considering many of the current tendancies of the business players involved, frm a technical perspective alone the satellite distribution being used for national channels and the landlines being used for internet and local channels could free up a large amount of bandwidth on landline system for use by the Internet access by removing the channels from landline and using satellite for that. On the other hand, having the 10 or so local channels on the landline and removing them from the satellite could free up more room on the satellite for more video programming. The result overall is more efficient use of the resources. Satellite is better for national mass distribution of programming while landline has strengths in distributing local channels and internet services.

    Consider a coaxial system can deliver about 1 Ghz of bandwidth, much of that is used now for 6 Mhz video channels. Imagine if most the entire 1 ghz could be used for internet alone and satellite would be used for providing TV access. The increase in bandwidthe for internet services would be dramatic.

    One could imagine where people could combine the satellite with landline internet service. Technically, this actually makes sense. One fact about video distribution is that its somewhat more efficient on bandwidth for consumers to record their shows on the DVR off the channels rather than stream them. When DVRing off the channels is more of a situation where everyone on the network gets the program from the same data stream, which uses a lot less bandwidth than 500 people getting the program via 500 seperate streams. Nonetheless, streaming is a big fad even though it doesnt make as much technical sense as DVRing as far as bandwidth consumption.

    Many of the kids here may not realize that long before DVRs we had VCRs where you did record programs off the cable onto VHS tape, and then replay the VHS tape at a later time. It was even possible to keep a copy of the program forever. Unlike DVRs you couldnt run out of space because you could just buy more VHS tapes. And unlike streaming, even if you cancelled a service such as a premium channel, your access to the programming wouldnt disappear. In many ways due to the fact your VHS tapes could be played on any device (not locked to one DVR), had no DRM crap, and wouldnt disappear when you cancelled a service, were superior expept in picture quality. Newer is definitely not better!

  22. there is no compitition at all in US Comm industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean ATT buys DirecTV.... Comcast wants TWC. .. all these companies are not there to do business with customer but to grab as many as they can and then monopolized the market and rape the customer..

    I think FCC or whoever should never approve any mergers in Comm industry.

    American gov is so sick... small business never gets merger(helping hand) while large companies can gobble up anything they want and like...

    I think american gov should open door to let foreign comm giants to come and do business. let see what happens to ATT and Comcast then..

  23. That could be done with just a downlink by tepples · · Score: 1

    I thought updates needed only a downlink. Why can't the device receive updates over the air? Likewise, I thought authorization to play a particular program on a particular device needed only a downlink. Why can't the device let the user order PPV by logging into a website using a computer?

  24. More likely reason by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    ( non ton-foil hat version ) AT&T is diversifying their profit engines. It is quite likely you'll see them sell off the wire line side of the company in the near future. The acquisition of Direct TV is most likely how they will offset any profit loss of said wire line sale. ( long term ) Though, in an era where record numbers of folks are cutting their ties to both Cable TV and satellite programming, I'm not sure if the outcome will remain positive for very long without some major changes in how the satellite service is offered.