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Yes, You Can Blame Your Pointy-Haired Boss On the Peter Principle

Nerval's Lobster writes: You've heard of the Peter Principle, which suggests that all employees manage to rise to the level of their incompetence. (That is to say, everybody is promoted until their skills and strengths no longer align with their current position.) While the Peter Principle is often treated as a truism, a recent Gallup study (registration required)—the result of four decades' worth of research, involving 2.5 million manager-led teams—suggests that it holds a significant degree of real-world truth. "Gallup has found that only 10 percent of working people possess the talent to be a great manager," the study mentions in its introduction. "Companies use outdated notions of succession to put people in these roles." In Gallup's estimation, there are so many bad managers out there that one out of every two employees have "left their job to get away," according to the study. "Managers who are not engaged or who are actively disengaged cost the U.S. economy $319 billion to $398 billion annually." In other words, there are a lot of pointy-haired managers out there.

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  1. So far so good. by sls1j · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Been programming professionally for 18 years and have managed to keep out of the manager roll, where I have no doubt that I'd be truly terrible.

    1. Re:So far so good. by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Knowing that and accepting that is *SO* important to long-term happiness and satisfaction in the workplace. A lot of "I'd be a better boss than that dimwit" experts don't really understand what most of being in management actually entails. But then, neither do a lot of managers. It's sad that so many of our corporate structures are arranged so that management is the only path up.

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    2. Re:So far so good. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've also seen nontechnical people try to manage IT departments only to find their employees ready to drive them off with pitch forks

      Something I learned 20 years ago, is that you never, never have a non-tech directly manage techs. They will have no idea what their people are doing, will be incapable of distinguishing good workers from self-promoters, and will quickly lose the respect of their subordinates. It just doesn't work.

    3. Re:So far so good. by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Something I learned 20 years ago, is that you never, never have a non-tech directly manage techs.

      You can say the same thing about recruiters.

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  2. Rely on the counterfactual. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best way to understand the principle is to imagine the counterfactual.

    When does a person *not* get promoted any longer? When they are not actually that great at the position into which they have most recently been promoted. At that point, they do not demonstrate enough merit to earn the next obvious promotion.

    So, the cadence goes:

    Demonstrates mastery of title A, promoted to title B.
    Demonstrates mastery of title B, promoted to title C.
    Demonstrates mastery of title C, promoted to title D.

    Does not manage to demonstrate mastery of D = is not promoted and stays at that level indefinitely as "merely adequate" or "maybe next year" or "still has a lot to learn."

    That's the principle in a nutshell—when you're actually good at your job, you get promoted out of it. When you're average at your job, you stay there for a long time.

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  3. This is why Captain Picard... by SpaceCommander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    should never become an Admiral. Also why Kirk sucked at the position.

  4. Re:Many years ago ... by Dins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a result of these norms, it's easier to fire 10% of your workforce then lower all pay by 10%.

    I know this may be the exception that proves the rule, but my former company did just that; across the board 10% pay cut to the entire organization, including management. Every one of us hated it, but the smarter of us did realize that it probably saved some peoples' jobs. It had the unintended side effect of taking top performers and encouraging them to perform at 90% (or less), however...

  5. only one good manager in five years by xeno · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just quit Micro^h^h^h^h for this exact reason.

    Over a period of 5 years:
    Hired in.
    Report to a guy who looks 12, but turns out to be an Excellent Manager*.
    Do my best work in a decade.
    Excellent Manager reorg'ed from Inspiring General Manager to Disastrous Director.
    Excellent Manager is driven out by political fuckery by Disastrous Director.
    Disastrous Director is fired for malfeasance.
    Inspiring General Manager won't come back, had enough, quits managing to do research.
    Report to Microsoft Lifer, old EM's technical manager a who does a passable job leading.
    Microsoft Lifer is reorg'ed under General Manager/Bottlewasher who can't stop micromanaging.
    Lifer gets ruthlessly fucked with, has entire team's work credited to incompetent Level 67 Blowhard.
    Lifer's team is reorg'ed under Blowhard, except for me+handful.
    Old EM's peer Last Asskicking Manager quits because he won't work for Blowhard.
    GM/Bottlewasher can't stop micromanaging everyone.
    Lifer gives up and takes a non-mgmt job.
    Report to McManager hired from military, who used to manage 600.
    GM/Bottlewasher can't stop micromanaging everyone.
    McManager reorg'ed, team reduced to 5.
    Blowhard steals work output from McManager, leaving no credit.
    GM/Bottlewasher lines up all resources behind Blowhard.
    McManager demoted to my peer.
    Report to new guy Perennial Survivor, brought in by another reog.
    Lifer demoted to my peer.
    Old Excellent Manager quits to work for Amazon, because it's saner(!!!).
    Survivor admits 80% of Botlewasher's 2015-16 yearly plan is bullshit makework.
    Fuck this noise, quit. Even a startup is saner.

    *only one in 5 years.

    It's easier for incompetence to hide in large enterprises. They used to write books about how great Redmond managers were. Now the entire enterprise is infested with pointy-haired, risk-averse, beige, wannabe-hipsters who can't make any decisions other than to stab each other in the back. And front. And sides. Precious few people do actual work, when so much effort is devoted to bad management and the shielding of productive people from that bad management.

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  6. Re:The good news is... by bigman2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ha! It WAS me!

    I was a really good developer. Then a great developer (in my mind, and others) so I moved up the ranks.

    I was pretty good, and made it to the top of the tech heap at a fairly large organization, with 3 levels of employees under me.

    It was horrible. I did a really crappy job.

    Instead of being a great developer or architect, I become a HORRIBLE business contract negotiator and director. I got involved in 2 HR actions at the same time. I completely failed. In fact I think I 'Petered Out'.

    I bailed on that life, and found an organization willing to match my salary- back down at a developer position. I'm a nominal supervisor to 2 people.

    I really think I am doing great work again- even better than before, because my viewpoint is even better. I love being a developer, and they love what I'm doing.

    The Peter Principal is real. I was promoted beyond my abilities, and I'm not afraid to admit it. Being really good at something doesn't necessarily mean that I'm able to manage a bunch of other people.

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  7. Generalisation overload by StueyNZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gosh the box of dangerous generalisations must have been on special this week in your part of the world. While many non-technical managers "will have no idea what their people are doing" that doesn't have to be so.

    In my 25 year career I've had the pleasure of having two non-technical managers who were far and away the best managers I've ever seen in action. They used their non-techiness to their advantage and built high performing teams that would walk over coals for them. It's called trust.... "I know you are all supremely clever, and know stuff that I don't.... that's why you're the engineers. My job is to trust you all to do your jobs well, make sure nothing gets in the way of you doing your job well, and by the way you lot being a bunch of arrogant techie dicks, and ignoring me as a "non-techie girl" counts as "getting in the way of you doing your jobs well" "

    And to the point of the original article - Two of the absolutely worst managers I've had were promoted engineers who weren't good enough to make it into the ranks of "chief engineer / consulting architect / great poo bah of technicality" and felt their only scope for promotion was to take on management. To the credit of one of them, he realised he was totally crap at this management lark, and re-trained. Over time he actually became quite a good manager - not great but pretty good.

    The other doofus left in a hail of "thank god he's gone" and continued to wreck havoc wherever he went.

  8. Re:The good news is... by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, just like everybody could be great at higher mathematics if they just studied diligently, and win Olympic races if they would just train regularly.

    Recognizing that you're incompetent is an important first step - but it does not directly imply that you can substantially correct the deficiency.

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