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Future Holds Large Updates Instead of Stand-Alone Windows Releases

jones_supa writes: Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft developer evangelist, said at the Ignite conference in Chicago that Windows 10 "is the last version of Windows, so we're always working on Windows 10." Saying that is only half true. In fact, Microsoft will start working on large updates instead of stand-alone Windows releases, so the company would switch from a model that previously brought us new versions of Windows every three years, to a simpler one that's likely to bring big updates every two months. The company will also change the naming system for Windows, so instead of Windows $(version), the new operating system would be simply called Windows.

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  1. Enterprise Turnover? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For consumers this is likely a great thing. But given enterprise customers and their traditionally fickle software, how are they going to keep up with major Windows changes every few months?

    Even service packs break things, and those still aren't as complex as these proposed updates in some ways. Enterprise customers pretty much count on Windows not changing/ And even if Microsoft goes the LTS route, will they support one of these branches for 10+ years like Windows Server 2012 will be?

    1. Re:Enterprise Turnover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "For consumers this is likely a great thing. "

      That depends on how you look at it.

      Remember microsoft said it wanted to move people to a subscription model for windows. To force people to keep paying for it over and over. This looks to be how they're going to do it.

      So expect to open your wallet for those "big updates".

    2. Re:Enterprise Turnover? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering some stuff in use where I work which will not even run in Win8 yet I suppose it's a matter of only patching up to two or three years behind the current date. Yes that is stupid but that's the speed (or lack thereof) of development with some software.

    3. Re:Enterprise Turnover? by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and now they want to do away with that. they're already sort of going there with metro. no longevity.

      also thats what they experimented with in mobile. 3 years, 3 sdks? 3 ways you're supposed to write your apps windows phone apps? yup, pretty much - and still they haven't released the one thing that was supposed to fix("one platform" approach). also, don't even think of getting new apps for winpho 7.1.

      now on the other hand look at the decade of windows mobile before that. fairly good compatibility, even if the phones were overpriced and lacked good phone functionalities - but at least you could depend on the platform if you ran out a business solution for your corporation that needed the platform to stay alive and compatible! that is, until their revolution. that didn't make the sales.

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    4. Re:Enterprise Turnover? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sigh....isn't it funny that when Nadella has MSFT do what the Linux guys have been crowing about for fucking EVER that everybody pisses their panties?

      For those that haven't bothered to even load Win 10 in a VM you have a "fast" and a "slow", both of which are set by the user under "Windows Updates/ Advanced", this is comparable to your "stable" or "LTS" and your "unstable" on your Linux distros. The stable will ONLY get security patches, the unstable will get new features, most OEM consumer installs will be set to the fast/unstable but again you can change it under WU or if you install yourself you can set it then.

      So its gonna be up to you folks, want only security updates for the life of the OS, or to only install every X numbers of years like in the past? Choose slow. If you want to get the latest and greatest? Choose fast.

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    5. Re:Enterprise Turnover? by c2me2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is total anti-Microsoft FUD. You are simply making shit up, and ignoring what the press releases have publicly committed to. It's NOT a subscription model.

  2. Re:Marketing Failure by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My guess is businesses will continue to use WSUS to manage the rollout and testing of updates, without the hassle of major version updates.

    It's not really any different from what happens with regular updates now, except some of them will add new features, like Service Pack's currently do.

    Smaller updates has got to be better than major version updates, otherwise there wouldn't be millions of Windows XP machines still out there.

    Sounds like a much better option than what has been done in the past.

  3. How are they going to charge for this? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will this mean a move to a "subscription" model, where you have to pay to receive updates? I find it hard to believe that they will contunue to update everyone forever without a fee for the "new windows".

    1. Re:How are they going to charge for this? by sound+vision · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The subscription model is exactly what it is, but you can be sure they won't word it that way. Of course they are marketing it as "the last version of Windows", because generally people have been pissed with the new versions. They're not going to quit making money from their flagship product. I'm sure they will structure the pricing to make more. They will release smaller, more frequent updates, hitting you up for money each time - more like the Mac OS release schedule. You can bet they'll play fast and loose with the support cycles too. "Oh, you haven't renewed your subscription for 18 months? Sorry, no more security updates." Forget 12 years of extended support like they did with XP. They might make an exception for businesses that have hundreds of licenses, if they have any sense left in them. But regardless of if you're a business or home user, the OS isn't something that should be changing in radical ways often, or need to be "subscribed" to... it should be a stable platform, a known quantity for you to run your applications on, or develop for, or whatever your use case is.

      (Personally I think 7 is great, and that 10 is a step in the right direction, but in the public mind new Windows = bad. Remember how people shat all over XP when it came out, but by 2010 it had gained a reputation as the best version of Windows ever?)

    2. Re:How are they going to charge for this? by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd love to see some evidence for that claim to correct my opinion. XP was what started the meme 'every other Windows release is as bad as a Star Trek (odd number) release', it sucks and should be avoided. (3.11, good, 95, bad, 98, good, ME, bad, XP, good, etc).

      Of course! That's why they skipped a version number and jumped from 8 to 10. So they could avoid having to make another good windows and go straight to the next bad one!

      It all makes so much sense now...

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  4. Bypassing consumer resistance to poor design by BooleanJulian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has a long history of releasing badly designed products- MSDOS 4,Windows Me, Vista, 8.0- and with the shift to updates, the public will lose their ability to vote with their wallets. Microsoft will do whatever it likes, and you will accept it or be unpatched. Microsoft has succeeded in ensuring that the customer has no power or voice.

    And everyone here is cheering it on...

  5. Re:Another feature copied from Linux? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean you'll be able to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" in Windows?

    No... there will be differences. We're talking Microsoft, so there's gotta be a revenue stream in there somewhere. They're planning to pretend version numbers don't exist, so that when there's compatibility issues no one will know which version the program was compatible with nor which version they're running now. And there certainly won't be a package manager to deal with all the dependencies, so any incompatibility will be dealt with on a program by program basis.

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  6. Re:Firefox by SumDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um...I actually like the FF/Chrome versioing. I was really hoping either IE or Safari would adopt it as well. If IE (or Spartan or whatever it's called now) goes to it, we'll finally see an end to a lot of corporate internal shit apps and technical debt. It will be painful at first, but once all the major browsers are on rolling updates, web app developers will be forced to make stuff that works correctly. Big shit companies that can't keep up will have to adapt or die.

  7. Mod Parent Up by Kunedog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is exactly right. Microsoft is sick and tired of customers resisting their latest shiny upgrade, especially when they do so successfully, as with Vista and 8. Keeping the actual version a secret might cause enough confusion to blunt dissent (and damn the negative side effects).

    Remember when Mozilla tried to remove FF's version number from the About Box as a prelude the wacky wapid release schedule?