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Studying the Roots of Individuality
An anonymous reader sends an article from Quanta Magazine about research into individuality — how behavior varies (or doesn't) when genetics and environment are as similar as possible. Scientists are taking various strains of fruit fly that are genetically almost identical (the result of extreme inbreeding) and raising them alone in environments that are exact copies of each other. Then they run the fruit flies through a series of decision-making tests to see how varied their responses are. Some fruit fly strains show a high degree of variance for tasks like navigating a maze. Other strains show almost no variance, suggesting there's a genetic component to individuality.
The scientists also found that manipulating a certain set of neurons in the fruit flies's brains could increase the variation in choices they make. One theory suggests that evolution tends to select for genes that increase individuality by making it more difficult for predators to predict what the prey will do next.
they dissect the DNA. Good Luck!
and then tell me the simulation theory isn't a perfectly valid possibility.
-dk
Many people believe that the use of drugs whether legal or illegal have no effect on your thoughts and decisions. This is a common belief among people who use marijuana but consider the millions of children who are on prescribed drugs like Ritalin. Anything that alters the way your mind functions will have an effect on your thought processes. Whether its a glass of wine, crack cocaine or a pharmaceutical. All you have to do is watch the disclosures on almost any pharmaceutical commercial and you will see warnings that are very dramatic but true. One product used to help people quit smoking is known to cause suicides. While it is interesting to watch studies on fruit flies .. we should all understand its application in our lives. Anything that alters your perception of reality whether prescribed or self applied will cause changes in your thought patterns. Most often those changes are negative in promotion of a health and well being but that is not to say that small numbers of people can't be helped by products like anti psychotics.. keep this in mind the next time you have a drink to combat the harsh world out there.. or pop a pill to substitute one addiction for another... or smoke some weed because you just don't want to give a ##### for a while.. because its changing you for the worse.
It is really annoying how PNAS is trying to get everyone to use their Beta Eyeball viewer so you can't get a pdf from the article page. I tried it, didn't care much for the split screen and suspected it would somehow be modified to stop me from downloading and saving for myself. Bring back the pdfs.
Also, I like this paper. They correctly use p-values in figure 1, there is a real null hypothesis.
I hope this isn't going to be swooped down on by scientists with an agenda, like in intelligence - where on the one side you have people who've invested in a lifetime assumption of "g", and see more and more evidence that it correlates with success even as more and more workplaces impose artificial entrance tests which look at "g"; and on the other, we have people who are terrified with the idea that people with different coloured skin might perform slightly differently at stuff, even if that difference means nothing until society wants it to.
Is it reality that alters perceptions or perceptions that alter reality? Are we lost in the mix or are we a non-sequitur? Do elements sharing outer valence shells determine reality or is it God? :bubbling noise:
What I observe with the majority of people: they are fully capable of being free-thinking individuals, but the main way they use this capability is to follow the crowd.
With herd animals that are prey creatures (i.e. cattle, sheep) this makes sense in terms of survival. There is safety in numbers. Stray from the herd, and you get targeted by ever-present predators.
With humans, who are at the top of the food chain and generally have no natural predators, it's just a form of cowardice. I'm not sure the DNA of fruit flies is going to provide a satisfying explanation here, at least not one that can be extrapolated to include people, fascinating though it may be.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Many people believe that the use of drugs whether legal or illegal have no effect on your thoughts and decisions.
There are? A few, sure, but many? That is surprising. Eating a good or bad meal can have an effect.
because its changing you for the worse.
Necessarily worse may be a bit excessive. Though certainly being aware that any drugs, prescribed or not, can alter your mind and in unexpected ways is prudent, I think you may be going a tad too far.
I would say it is merely a risk. But such is life. You could suffer from reading the wrong books or associating with the wrong people just as easily.
Seriously? Perhaps you meant lingering *long term* effects? I mean the whole point of taking Ritalin, caffeine, marijuana, alcohol, or any other mind-altering substance is to alter your thoughts and decisions. Though of course your brain is a self-reinforcing system, and as such anything that alters it's patterns short-term will tend to cause lingering long-term effects, especially with chronic usage.
But what makes you so sure those changes will be for the worse? It's not like we're some sort of divine beings created in an initially perfect form - we're animals with extensive symbolic reasoning systems bolted on at the last minute. Our basic natures are as brutish and shortsighted as any other animal.
--- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
Where is he when you need him?
Harvard law of animal behavior:
When stimulations are repeatedly applied under precisely controlled conditions the animal reacts as it damn well pleases
See here:
http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/...
That is a VERY fucked up comment from someone who obviously doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about. Zippy, you need to get out more my friend. I will start with your first sentence.
>>Many people believe that the use of drugs whether legal or illegal have no effect on your thoughts and decisions
I guarantee that ALL of the people who use drugs are well aware that the drugs change their thought process. In fact they usually have a really good laugh at someone like yourself that professes to have knowledge on a subject that they have zero experience with.
Then you say:
>>Most often those changes are negative in promotion of a health and well being but that is not to say that small numbers of people can't be helped by products like anti psychotics..>>>... or smoke some weed because you just don't want to give a ##### for a while.. because its changing you for the worse.
This is so full of shit, I don't know where to start. MANY people could be helped by the nature of smoking weed. It cures physical problems such as epilepsy in almost everyone that has ever tried it as therapy including small children. (do a search). It cures depression. It makes ones awareness of their environment much more accute. I will admit that it reduces math skills for a couple of hours after smoking, but this is only temporary. As someone who has been helped immensly by weed while working a high-productivity, well-paid engineering job, I would ask that you quit talking about things that you know nothing about.
Perceptions do not alter reality, otherwise a person hallucinating would affect the reality of others. And if you fall back onto the argument that the others are seeing the person hallucinate, you're stretching the meaning of your query into nonsense.
Probably just the first stage of some mad scientist's research after watching the Boys from Brazil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
I maintain that we are programmed more than this study could even conclude.
Many sets of identical twins are strikingly similar in behavior but others have real differences in some aspects of their personality.
Well just as they don't have identical fingerprints they don't have identical physical folds in their brains. So there is a bit of randomness to how we each turn out.
And there are cases of identical twins where one is straight and one is gay. Likely attributable to different timing and/or amount of hormones that each received while in the womb.
We are all programmed to be who we are. I don't see environment as a big influence ultimately (And I would attribute some environmental influences such as the choice to abuse drugs as a genetically influenced inevitablility).
I'm pretty sure that I'm not an it does not follow.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Exactly.
Changing you, certainly. But I see no argument for why it would necessarily be for the worse in all cases.
Also keep in mind the other things that may be changing your thinking for the worse, such as watching the news, looking at advertising, worrying about the bills, slavish adherence to a work schedule that offers little time off and subtly penalizes actually using even the little that is offered, etc.
But perceptions DO alter reality, just not that overtly. We tend to see what we expect to see and our actions based on what we see affect the state of the world and what other people see.
Consider how the perception that only an R or a D can win the election keeps people voting for an R or a D making sure that only Rs and Ds win the elections.
Individuality is a random number generator. The time of conscious, strong AI is one program module nearer.
Basically everything does have an effect on you, but defining it as better or worse is not anywhere near as clear as you try to make it. We barely have any kind of a grasp on mental health. Oddly enough, we seem to be stuck on the idea that anything that makes us happy is bad for us, despite happiness being clearly important to our mental well being.
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i'm retarded!!! thanks god :D
Please don't attempt to extrapolate human behaviour from the actions of tiny, tiny insects. That is all.
I'm not!
The problem is that when one embraces empiricism (reality defined as a closed system), he locks himself into a false choice.