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House Votes To End Spy Agencies' Bulk Collection of Phone Data

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from a story at Reuters that gives a rare bit of good news for the Fourth Amendment: The U.S. House of Representatives approved a bill on Wednesday that would end spy agencies' bulk collection of Americans' telephone data, setting up a potential showdown with the U.S. Senate over the program, which expires on June 1. The House voted 338-88 for the USA Freedom Act, which would end the bulk collection and instead give intelligence agencies access to telephone data and other records only when a court finds there is reasonable suspicion about a link to international terrorism.

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  1. They've invested billions by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They've invested billions if not trillions in the surveillance networks and infrastructure.

    Is anyone going to really believe it's all been mothballed at the stroke of a pen?

    I won't.

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    1. Re:They've invested billions by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They've invested billions if not trillions in the surveillance networks and infrastructure.

      Is anyone going to really believe it's all been mothballed at the stroke of a pen?

      I won't.

      I don't think its the sunk money that matters to them. It's the heady feeling of autocracy and superpowers which they'll never give up. The NSA and CIA are significantly staffed by bad, treasonous, anti-democratic people.

      The bill that made it to the house floor was so watered down it was meaningless. It got so many votes because it was a way for congressmen to clean their skirts, while doing nothing significant to curtail the activities of the NSA.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    2. Re:They've invested billions by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bill that made it to the house floor was so watered down it was meaningless. It got so many votes because it was a way for congressmen to clean their skirts, while doing nothing significant to curtail the activities of the NSA.

      This.

      Hope it gets defeated in the Senate, and they just let Sec. 215 expire. Call or write your Congresscritters in the Senate and tell them to vote down this deceitful POS. Sunset 215!

  2. Snowden... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Snowden is going to be pardoned by Obama now, right? Because he's been proven to be correct time and time again, and congress continues to validate his position by voting to approve these counter-spy bills.

    1. Re:Snowden... by ZipK · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe (from a quick Google search) that to be pardoned for a crime you first have to be convicted of that crime.

      Nope. See U.S. Proclamation 4311, for example:

      NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

  3. "Ends spy agency bulk collection of phone data" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you actually read the text of the bill? The bulk collection of phone data is not only still allowed, they give legal protections and guidelines for monetary compensation to the businesses they order to collect the data.

    Oh yeah, and at the very bottom of the bill? They reauthorize another section of the Patriot Act.

    1. Re:"Ends spy agency bulk collection of phone data" by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm reading... but it is like reading a patch file for a language I don't understand, when I don't have the file that is being patched.
           

      (A) in subparagraph (A), by striking “an order” and inserting “an order or emergency production”; and

      That might as well be:
           

      Go to line 57 and insert "else break;"

      It looks like they are trying to say that, in order to bulk collect data, they must have a specific search they are running that involves a specific telephone line. See SEC 201.

      Can someone define "tangible things" as in "SEC. 103. Prohibition on bulk collection of tangible things" or "“(i) Emergency authority for production of tangible things."

  4. Cleaning their skirts by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The revised bill that makes its way to the House floor this morning doesn't look much like the Freedom Act.

    This morning's bill maintains and codifies a large-scale, unconstitutional domestic spying program. It claims to end "bulk collection" of Americans' data only in a very technical sense: The bill prohibits the government from, for example, ordering a telephone company to turn over all its call records every day.

    But the bill was so weakened in behind-the-scenes negotiations over the last week that the government still can order—without probable cause—a telephone company to turn over all call records for "area code 616" or for "phone calls made east of the Mississippi." The bill green-lights the government's massive data collection activities that sweep up Americans' records in violation of the Fourth Amendment."

    --- Justin Amash

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    "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
    --- Jerry Garcia
  5. Re:"Citizens united" was a coup by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say it's a dead program.

    No, it's a 'dark' program.... again... kinda-sorta..

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  6. Re:Whatever... by aaron4801 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact, it may be too much.
    The EFF just withdrew support of the Freedom Act after the 2nd Circuit decision that said Section 215 of the Patriot Act doesn't authorize ANY data collection of Americans. The Freedom Act is a step back from current collection efforts, but actually codifies some that could possibly be overturned without it!

  7. Re:Whatever... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 5, Insightful

    meh. I say that the section 215 of the patriot act as written is not necessarily a violation of the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. it authorizes the collection of business records relevant to a terrorist investigation. it only became unconstitutional when "business records" was interpreted to mean "anything we want" and "investigation" was interpreted to mean "eternal vigilance." Section 215 could very easily be implemented in a way that is constitutionally sound, and thus the provision itself is not unconstitutional.

    Given the options on the table i would take the improvement. this legislative improvement, along with a bitch-slapped NSA who would stay within the intent of the law, is much better than what we had before.

  8. Was There Ever a Law that Allowed Bulk Collection? by linearZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last I checked, a court found that no law existed that allowed bulk collections. Not even the Patriot Act: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05...

    This is a law that makes something illegal that was already illegal. More congressional theater.

    Wake me up when the people who broke the law start seeing some time. Let me know when the guy who exposed this illegal activity is allowed back into the country with his liberty intact.

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    Revolution is the opium of the intellectuals.
  9. And: of which communication types by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also -- why the focus on a tiny subset (just Metadata) of a dying communiation system (phone).

    It'd be far more interesting if they'd do something about far more invasive (not just metadata, but content too) that's being captured from (presumably) all internet traffic (skype, email, etc).

  10. Re: Whatever... by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, that's the entire point of a warrant: it's the state's written grant of immunity for people to do things that would otherwise be illegal. Ordinarily, it's illegal for anyone to forcibly restrain you and hold you against your will. But with an arrest warrant, it's legal.

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    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.