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The Solution To Argentina's Banking Problems Is To Go Cashless

dkatana writes: There is no way back for Argentinian people to trust their own currency. Several governments have used the "Peso/Dollar" exchange to dig into people's savings, reward their friends and limit the freedom of citizens to use other currencies.

Short of Dollarizing the economy again, the only solution for the country is going cashless. People are desperate, and they're looking for alternatives such as mobile payments, Amazon gift cards and Bitcoin to store their savings away from government control. A digital currency could help curb black market exchanges, fight corruption and restore the country's image.

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  1. "Cashless" is meaningless by jodido · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cashless is a convenience. You need a currency. And once there is one, you're in the dollar world again.

    1. Re:"Cashless" is meaningless by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not meaningless if your goal is to steal and that's what that 'article' proposes - theft.

      1. Government steals by forcing people to declare all of their cash savings and to justify them to transfer them into the electronic form.

      2. Government steals by creating inflation electronically, so it's cheaper and faster for the government to create vast amounts of virtual money and dilute existing savings, thus stealing (creating inflation).

      3. Government can steal everything at any time by simply emptying your bank account and leaving you with nothing.

      4. Government will steal by setting stupid exchange rates that are absolutely fake, like pegging the exchange say 1USD to 10Pesos while on the 'black market' you would get many times more pesos, for example 100 for 1.

      5. Government can control you if you do not have access to your own money, and it can prevent you from doing anything they don't like and punish you for doing anything they don't approve of.

      It's a gigantic con, don't fall for it, it doesn't matter what the name of the currency is if you are not even able to have it in your own hands.

      Basically if you cannot hold your own money in your own hands but government holds it for you (directly or through proxy banks) you are fucked, you have nothing.

      If you try to switch to gold and other currencies of your choice, you will be labeled a 'speculator' and 'enemy of the working class' etc., and you can be dealt with criminally.

    2. Re:"Cashless" is meaningless by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      exactly the folks who Greeks blame for all their problems.

      So, the Greeks are blaming the Germans because the Greek government couldn't pay its bills? Interesting....

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    3. Re:"Cashless" is meaningless by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With a government controlled electronic currency the government could handle your money, and you only have to piss off one bureaucrat to have anything in your name electronically made worthless. There are already people who think all Republicans should be killed, and others who think all "global warming deniers" should be killed. Do you want someone like that with the power to turn off your money?

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  2. cashless = no privacy and lots of govt control by ciaran2014 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've made very little progress in anonymising cashless transactions (and this proposal might rely on transactions never being anonymous).

    This not only reduces people's privacy but also gives government officials a way to remotely block you from making any payments. That's severe.

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  3. Re:socialism's benefits by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given that we just had this discussion within the last few weeks and most of the armchair solutions completely ignored Argentina's history with its currency, hyperinflation, being artificially pegged to the US Dollar, and then the problems that had to be addressed when they chose to top artificially pairing with the Dollar, I don't think it'll help at all.

    Currencies only work when everyone trusts them. People trust them when their governments and banks engage in responsible monetary policy. If monetary policy gets so out-of-whack that the people don't trust the currency then the government itself is in jeopardy the state-issued fiat currency is how it conducts business.

    I expect that most Argentines don't want violent or protracted revolution, they want the system to be repaired. Most solutions that were offered last time were based on circumventing the government, which would bring about the downfall of anything resembling the status quo, rather than correcting minor to moderate problems.

    This isn't Greece or Venezuela or Somalia, there's the ability to fix it if people are willing to commit themselves to it and to not syphon-off all of the gains for themselves.

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  4. Greetings from Argentina by ericlondaits · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1 - We're nowhere near desperate. We've been desperate-ish in the past... not lately.

    2 - We have a high but predictable inflation... it's impossible to save in Pesos, so it stimulates spending and the economy survives.

    3 - Purchase of dollars is restricted but there's a "healthy" black market that sells at a higher but well know rate (it's published in the newspapers and there are websites that inform the black market rate as well). The government counts on the existance of this black market to keep peace.

    4 - Going cashless solves nothing..!!! Your cashless bank account still lists an amount of pesos and if you want to convert them to dollars the normal restrictions apply. People taking advantage of bitcoin and other schemes are simply operating in the black market... it could be bitcoin, it could be bonds or stock.

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  5. Re:The solution for Argentina is competent governa by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Argentina, like most Latin American countries, would do well to toss the Presidential system. The US, by and large, has lucked out, in no small part to what Bagehot referred to as Americans' "genius for politics". But in other societies, where the legislative and judicial branches have remained stunted as compared to the US Congress, SCOTUS and the Federal Courts, all the Presidential system does is deliver near-dictatorial powers into the hands of the President. The checks and balances may exist on paper in countries like Argentina, but the reality is that legislative assemblies and courts become little more than rubber stamps.

    A parliamentary system like the Westminster system would, I think, work far better. The titular head of state of a parliamentary state does hold some potent reserve powers, but is restricted from using them in all but the most extreme circumstances. The "effective" government, that is the governing Executive, only survives so long as the legislative assembly retains confidence in it, and ministers are normally chosen from among members of the legislature, and thus, at least in a nominal way, remain equals to every other person sitting in the legislature. In a parliamentary system, the titular head of state represents a sort of negative power; in that he or she deprives the effective executive of absolute control of reserve powers and prerogatives.

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  6. Re:Democracy by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When 51% figure out that they can keep voting themselves resources by electing the right people, the end is near. Venezuela is an example of how this works. Once it was a thriving economic power house in south America, resource rich and hard working. Now, though the "reforms" of Chavez and his successor the country's economic engine has been running on sugared gasoline while the politicians poured fine sand in the crankcase and tried to floor the accelerator. Democracy voted itself out of existence as the popular "Let me make sure you get your share!" refrain echoed through the ever swelling ranks of the poor and dependent.

    Revolution is at the door, because eventually the government and the politicians that run it won't be able to cash the checks they've written. And the people who voted out of greed, to get something now and a promise of more to come, and those who objected to the perversion of their government, will ALL pay along with their children, grand children and great grand children, many with their lives.

    The sad part is that history clearly shows how this will progress, and even so, there are many countries on the same path...

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  7. Bitcoin? Nonsense by cachimaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hi from Buenos Aires.

    No, the solution is not going cashless. We don't have a banking problem. We have a currency problem, because the government steals from us in the form of inflation. Going cashless is giving the government more power to screw us.

    Also we know very well how to play this game. If you can save, you buy other currencies like dollars. Or houses, if you are rich.
    If you need the money, you convert and spend as fast as possible. Inefficient and somewhat expensive, but possible.

    Bitcoin is easier to transfer, but too volatile. You might as well save in pesos.

  8. Re:Sound Money by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1, Insightful

    he item you've quoted specifies States may not, meaning the Congress may.

    Not at all. The federal government was supposed to have only enumerated powers. If the states may not do it and it's not an enumerated power of the federal government, then only the people (individuals and businesses) may do it.