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European Telecoms May Block Mobile Ads, Spelling Trouble For Google

Mark Wilson has news that may have a big impact on both advertisers and end-users who use their phones as portals to ad-supported websites. Several European telecom providers are apparently planning to use ad-blocking software at the data-center level, which would mean benefit for users (in the form of less obnoxious advertising, and less data being eaten by it) but quite a pickle for online advertisers, and sites that rely on advertising revenue. From BetaNews's article (based on this Financial Times article, paywalled): Talking to the Financial Times, one wireless carrier said that the software had been installed at its data centers and could be enabled by the end of the year. With the potential to automatically block most ads on web pages and within apps, the repercussion of the ad boycott could be huge as mobile providers try to wrestle control from the likes of Google. I just wish my mobile provider would start testing this out, too.

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  1. Sounds good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    until they start injecting their own adds. I'm sure such technology would never be used!

    1. Re:Sounds good by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds good? How is this remotely compatible with the spirit of network neutrality?

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  2. Bad good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It looks like a good idea (for end users anyway). But this is not. My operator should not decide what I want to see on not on a webpage. If I don't want adds, I use add-free versions of webistes or use an add blocker.
    Next time, telco will decide that anti-telco articles in newspapers are not worth downloading either...

  3. Seems tempting, but terrible. by QuasiSteve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems tempting, but then you realize that they actually plan on taking money from the advertising companies to start allowing ads again:

    The idea is to specifically target Google, blocking advertising on its websites in an attempt to force the company into giving up a cut of its revenues.

    Also keep in mind that this almost requires them to play MITM with certs, inspect your traffic, etc. which can then further be monetized, and new content injected. Phorm comes to mind.

    Add to that the slippery slope, and it should be evident to anybody that this is a bad idea - and one that has been struck down in the EU in the past already.

    As much as people may dislike ads, having them blocked at the ISP level is a patently terrible idea. I, for one, am hoping the legal weasels haven't found loopholes that would make legislators nod in agreement that this would be a-ok.

    1. Re:Seems tempting, but terrible. by Barsteward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I expect it may just be a play to get a share of the ad-money, "Hey Google, give 10% of the share of advertising and we'll unbiock the adverts"

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    2. Re:Seems tempting, but terrible. by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The next stage is for Google to provide an Apache plugin and some custom Javascript to detect if a client has been downloading certain pages without displaying the ads; if your IP address gets in the "Ad Blocker" blacklist, then all the content provider websites can just query the blacklist and refuse to serve content until you unblock the ads.

    3. Re:Seems tempting, but terrible. by itzly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The next stage is for users to download the ads, but don't show them on the screen.

  4. Do not want by peppepz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So they are going to peek inside my network packets, looking for ads? And modify them, in order to remove those ads? Sorry, but I don't need yet another big brother looking at my private stuff, whether it’s for my own good, for maintaining the order of society or for the sake of whatever replaced the STASI nowadays.

    Besides, what if I’m using TLS? Are they going to require me to install rogue certificates just to make their inspection more comfortable? No thanks. Telecom companies had better learn already that with the advent of the Internet, their trade is to sell dumb pipes, competing with the others over the price of that service; the good times when they could milk their customers for “value added services” is over.

  5. Filthy business practices by bazorg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not a huge fan of Google and what SEO/advertising has done to the www, but I have to say that these guys are in the wrong. Sabotaging the competitor and demanding "protection money" is not fair competition IMHO. I want my ISP to be a carrier, not a curator or a gatekeeper. I have Adblock and I know how to use it, thank you very much.

  6. Today ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tomorrow, consumer rights, customer forums and competitors websites.

    This net-neutrality business cuts both ways.

  7. more nanny state protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    More interference in the market from those who consider themselves our betters. No doubt there is some state-owned 110%-unionized behemoth ready to fill the gap.

    We should resurrect Snoot-Hawley and tell them to play fair or get off the field.

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  8. They can't stop google from doing that. by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they can try... but they'll fail.

    First off, the only way they'll be able to tell one thing from another is by filtering ad domains. Well, if the ads all come from the same domain as the content then you can't filter out the ads without filtering out the content. So that's really easy to do... you can proxy stuff without any trouble. It means the ad companies need to trust google isn't inventing clicks but that shouldn't be a big problem.

    Second off, as other people have said, google could just pop up a message saying "sorry, due to actions by your local ISP, we cannot deliver this content"... and the consumer base in Europe would get their torches and pitchforks so fast the ISPs couldn't even maniacly cackle by arc light before their little castles were stormed.

    Third, the very nature of the internet is that information flows on it transparently. Forget net neutrality, what the european mobile ISPs are threatening here is more extreme. They're presuming to control web content. It isn't even a matter of speed or bandwidth... they want to literally control which ads show up. Their whole push is antithetical to the whole nature of the internet in the first place. Whomever is pushing this is doubtless someone that doesn't understand the internet at all. And that means they're incompetent to make these choices and shouldn't be in a position of power in the first place. Just boot those fools out and try again.

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    1. Re:They can't stop google from doing that. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their whole push is antithetical to the whole nature of the internet in the first place. Whomever is pushing this is doubtless someone that doesn't understand the internet at all. And that means they're incompetent to make these choices and shouldn't be in a position of power in the first place. Just boot those fools out and try again.

      That internet died long ago. Just as with anything, the pioneers are pushed out once civilization arrives and starts paving streets, building stores and throwing up billboards.

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  9. Re:The customers will protest loud by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a gaping difference between people who do it just for the money, and people who want to do it, but only have time to because they can make it their living.

    I love software development, but frankly I'd be doing very little of it if I had to drive taxis all day in order to actually earn enough money to put food on my family's table.

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