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Russian Rocket Crashes In Siberia

An anonymous reader writes: A Russian Proton-M rocket carrying a Mexican satellite broke down shortly after launch and crashed in Siberia. Russian space agency Roscosmos is investigating the incident, but the cause is not yet known. In the video, the rocket appeared to sputter and stop providing thrust when the third-stage engine unexpectedly switched off. Communications were lost with the rocket before that happened. This comes just a couple weeks after Russia experienced another high profile rocket failure when its cargo ship bound for the International Space Station failed to reach a high enough orbit and began spinning out of control. Russia's Proton family of rockets has been in use since the 1960s, though the current Proton-M incarnation was first flown in 2001.

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  1. Strange quality problems by prefec2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    For decades launching these rockets was not a problem for Russia. However, since the Western embargo they had several problems with their rockets on their own launch site, while they had no problem in human space flight and when starting in Kourou, French Guiana. However, the Soyuz-2 used in French Guiana is a completely different rocket than the Proton-M which just had that accident.

    1. Re:Strange quality problems by thrich81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Per Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P..., ten Proton-M launches have failed, the most recent before this being July 2013 and May 2014.The recent Western sanctions were not announced until March 2014. Doesn't seem possible that the sanctions and the Proton failures can be related.

    2. Re:Strange quality problems by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're still full of shit

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      As of May 2015, ten Proton-M launches have failed.

      How is somehow a western conspiracy that these rockets have failed. What motivation would the US have in sabotaging a launch system that's still used by the ISS of which NASA spends over $3B supporting?

      If you also would bother to read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... I think you'll find that although it's gotten better with the Proton K and Proton M, they still have a failure once in awhile. As you go back in time, you'll find that those beloved Protons had more failures than you'd probably like to admit. To be sure, the Atlas/Delta and Titan launch vehicles have also had their share of failures. It comes with the territory so drop the bullshit of it being
      a conspiracy or sabotage and just admit that shit happens!

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    3. Re:Strange quality problems by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Informative

      First off, Russia had has ALWAYS had issues. Far more than is acknowledged.
      Secondly, Russia had quality issues prior to the embargo. This is not their first loss of a progress to the ISS, or now a loss of a sat.

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    4. Re:Strange quality problems by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Informative

      most ppl will continue to ignore the fact that the proton-M has over a 10% failure rate. That is a pretty high rate.

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  2. Re:and yet, the GOP blocks private space. by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The GOP continues to gut funding for development of manned private space launch, but will continue to pour money into the SLS, AND having Russia do the manned launches. Fucking insane

    The International Launch Services who operates those Proton rockets is a joint venture between a primary private Russian and an American (i think Lockheed Martin) partner - plus, those Proton rockets have a failure rate about 1 in 10 launches, which is good enough. So i think both the economic and the "patriotic" reasons you mention are covered enough right now. Of course more development is always good, but...

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  3. Re:and yet, the GOP blocks private space. by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually you'll find that the request for funding for Russian rockets comes from the current administration. Last time I checked, he wasn't a member of the GOP.
    It's hypocritical to say you'll sanction Russia for issues in the Ukraine yet lobby congress for money to buy the rockets.

    http://www.theblaze.com/storie...

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  4. Re:Mexico? by belthize · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why, they have 7 already, one fewer than Norway and and the same number as Denmark. They have the 15th largest GDP in the world, roughly the same as Australia's. The US has 10X the GDP and 200X the number of satellites so we spend a much higher percentage of GDP on satellites. The US has a sense of Mexico being a god awful poor 3rd world country mostly due to it's proximity. We unfavorably compare it directly to our own economy where as other countries further away have more of a 'must be better' mysterious sense.

    Sure it's 66th in per capita GDP but that doesn't mean they as a nation they can't afford more modern technologies, particularly now that the cost is so low.

  5. Re:and yet, the GOP blocks private space. by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Informative

    First, A progress using the same rocket as manned launches failed last month. That progress is the same as a Soyuz.

    Secondly, all of the companies are suffering from the same problem over there: quality control.

    Thirdly, the quality issues started long before the embargo.

    Finally, the GOP is putting loads of money into SLS. Why? Because they view NASA as a jobs bill for themselves.

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  6. Re:and yet, the GOP blocks private space. by the+gnat · · Score: 3, Informative

    It goes against every instinct in my body to defend the GOP, but it's a bit unfair to attack the party for "block[ing] private space" when just below this article was another article about Congress making policy to suit the private space industry, mainly on the Republican side:

    The commercial space industry had a great day on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, with the Republican-controlled House Science Committee giving it most of what it wanted while swatting away proposed changes from the minority Democrats.

    Among the goodies approved by the committee: a decade-long extension of the moratorium on regulating commercial human spaceflight; a nine-year extension of industry-government cost sharing for damages caused by launch accidents; and an act that would give companies property rights to materials they mine from asteroids.