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What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

An anonymous reader writes: Sen. Rand Paul held up a vote on the Fast Track Authority for an eleven hour dissertation on the flaws of: the Patriot Act, the replacement the USA Freedom Act, bulk data collection including credit card purchases, the DEA and IRS's use of NSA intel. for "parallel construction", warrant-less GPS bugs on vehicles, as well as the important distinction of a general warrant versus a specific one. "There is a general veil of suspicion that is placed on every American now. Every American is somehow said to be under suspicion because we are collecting the records of every American," Paul said. The questions is what did the "filibuster" really accomplish? The speeches caused a delay in Senate business but it's unclear what larger effect, if any, that will have.

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  1. What was the effect? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Public relations... What was everybody expecting?

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    1. Re:What was the effect? by SONETengagementRING · · Score: 5, Informative

      I felt like the true PR whore was Ted Cruz, showing up right at the end to fellate Rand for a couple minutes and make sure his name got included in all the news stories without having to really do anything.

  2. Re:why is that the question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But if that attention does not lead to action it didn't accomplish anything in the end. About the only real action I see happening is that he's getting attention for his presidential campaign. However, given his fringe opinion on many subjects I doubt he'll ever get the nomination, much less actually get elected. But since he's tied into the party insiders, it's likely his true intention is to keep his demographic distracted during the primaries while the party maneuvers a mediocre candidate into place to get the nomination. If he was serious about getting into the oval office and serious about his libertarian ideals, he'd run as an independent.

  3. Re:Sadly not much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The senior senators have more to hide that the NSA already knows about.

    And if anyone thinks that isn't at least a factor, I may have some shares in a bridge for sale.

  4. More than PR by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question is, would he have done this even if not running for president?

    The answer is obviously yes, based on past behavior. Rand Paul has been one of the few people willing to go on record voting against things he does not agree with, instead of not voting at all.

    So while of course some element of it is PR, that is not the core reason as to why he did this.

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    1. Re:More than PR by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The main difference between libertarians and liberals is in their preferred solutions.

      Ultimately, the liberal philosophy is that society can and should take care of everyone. The libertarian philosophy is that everyone should only be required to take care of themselves. From an antagonist perspective, liberals have their heads in the clouds, and libertarians have never heard of the tragedy of the commons.

      Both are able to see problems in the government programs that Sen. Paul spoke against. When it comes time for a solution, however, the libertarians would fight to abolish the programs entirely, reducing the size of government and ultimately the burden on citizens to support what little benefit the programs may bring. On the other hand, the liberals would usually rather fix the flawed programs, to preserve that benefit while removing the harmful details.

      For completeness, we should discuss the conservative position as well: Government should only be involved when someone can't take care of themselves. If someone is able to manage their life without dealing with the government, then the government shouldn't interfere with that. The offending programs should be fixed so that their flaws are covered or resolved, but ultimately don't interfere with society's operation.

      The libertarians are mocked because they throw the baby out with the bathwater. The liberals are mocked because they just keep making the system bigger. The conservatives are mocked because they rarely actually fix the problems. Welcome to America, where the most common use of free speech is to complain about someone else.

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  5. Re:why is that the question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > But if that attention does not lead to action it didn't accomplish anything in the end.

    Not so.

    There's a fable about a man who preached everyday for 20 years in a public place, only to be asked by a friend why wouldn't he quit -- since nobody was caring about the issues he talked about. He answered: "If I quit, they will have won."

    I didn't hear his discourse. But 11h talking is enough for me to believe at least one American is concerned by the current state of the USA and, by extension, of the world.

    As a foreigner, I believe Obama is a more than reasonable guy; I also believe he's caught amid the highly defective machine that is American Politics. He can have ideas and see which ones the Democrats and the GOP will let him make happen. IOW, bottom line: he cannot do much.

    Whether this will benefit or be a hindrance to Mr. Paul, he did a good citizen work by touching these important matters. If I had voted for him (I'm not from the US), I'd be very satisfied. In the end, all we can do is try. If enough people try, together they may succeed against the crooks, the greedy, the powerthirsty and those who want a Thought Police.

    If the world is to be a better and safer place, we should pay attention to our own defects (not just the USA), try to hear what others say about us and start a real negotiation to make the world work better than till now...

  6. Re:Thank you - just PR for his presidential run. by funwithBSD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is why:

    One: He is forcing the cloture vote on this to be next week, there is not time (its complicated) for the cloture vote to happen before the NSA must shut down the program.
    Other business, like the pending trade agreement will have to be dealt with to come back to the NSA.
    So for at least one weekend, there will be no NSA spying, and they will have to get it back on line if and when it is reauthorized. Inertia is our friend, if it is down, there will be pressure to keep it down.

    Two: He also prevented it from passing cloture by unanimous consent, which is really silence. The chair asks a variation of "Without objection, so ordered" and if everyone is silent, it passes. There are no up/down votes, so no up/down vote is recorded

    Now people are going to vote yea or nay, and THAT will be on the record for the next election.

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  7. Re:why is that the question? by grcumb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But if that attention does not lead to action it didn't accomplish anything in the end.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, the lack of action is your fault, not Rand Paul's. He's more than done his part. He's offered a rallying point for anyone who cares about the issue, and he's elucidated in the most detailed way possible just what the hazards are. He's actually stopped the machine for a moment, and all you can manage is to diss him for too little, too late?

    Look, I don't even like the guy. He stands for a lot of things that I fundamentally oppose. But I respect him. At least he is willing to do politics using the machine the way it was designed, rather than breaking it further—which is what the rest of the right-wing establishment seems to want to do.

    Rand Paul is someone I feel I could reason with on most matters. I can't say that of most other politicians. And the fact that you're damning him with faint praise is actually enabling the others and contributing to the sense of futility that pervades so much of modern political discourse today.

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  8. Re:why is that the question? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. Obama could have had the NSA to do a right turn and stop their mass data collection 6 years ago. They DIRECTLY report to him. He tells them what to do.

    Congress and the Senate can just question them, and limit the things they can do.

    Given that he has actively expanded what the NSA are doing, and made a point of going after whistleblowers, he appears to be happy with the current setup.

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