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WSJ Crowdsources Investigation of Hillary Clinton Emails

PvtVoid writes: The Wall Street Journal now has a page up that encourages readers to sift through and tag Hillary Clinton's emails on Benghazi. Users can click on suggested tags such as "Heated", "Personal", "Boring", or "Interesting", or supply their own tags. What could possibly go wrong? I'm tagging this story "election2016."

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  1. Same thing Washington Post did with Palin's by Salo2112 · · Score: 5, Insightful
  2. Re:WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by NemosomeN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Saying someone is not credible because they are part of an organization that is not credible is not ad hominem.

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  3. Re:WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is still a fallacy though.

    Let me help you understand how to stop fallacies:

    X must equal Y because Variable M that does not require under all circumstances that X must equal Y given the presence of Variable M.

    So for example, does news corp or the wallstreet journal ALWAYS lie? Obviously not.

    What is more, MUST they lie? For example, if we had a computer program that reported on a binary value and it always gave the opposite value to whatever it read. Then you could conclude that variable X was the opposite of whatever that program said. Neither newscorp nor the Wallstreet journal are reliability reporting the opposite of anything.

    Therefore it is logically fallacious to say that something they said is a lie because they said it.

    See?

    Fallacies are about LOGIC. Not you fucking politics.

    You can't say anything is automatically bullshit no matter who says it because no one is reliably wrong 100 percent of the time.

    You can of course take what they say with a grain of salt. You can choose to ignore them. You can hold any sort of opinion you want.

    You cannot say that everything they say is wrong or that any given thing is wrong simply because they said it.

    You have to actually wade into the issue and form a discrete opinion of it.

    If you can't be bothered to do that, then your opinion is based entirely on your own bias and the value of your opinion is based on the value of your bias. Which in this place is literally nothing.

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  4. Re: WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    no... its not libertarian. We dont like fox anymore than you do. if you were correct, they would not have treated ron paul the way they did, and they would not be treating rand paul the way they are now

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  5. Re:Not news, not for nerds, doesn't matter by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    nobody gives a shit about Benghazi

    Except for people who care that Obama and his administration blatantly lied about what happened in the period right before an election. And we see that Hillary Clinton knew very well that what was being said by both State and White House spokesdroids (and by her, and the president himself) was pure fabricated BS meant to placate prospective voters. They deliberately lied about what happened so that those events wouldn't contradict the narrative that Obama was trying to sell in his re-election bid. The people who actually know this, and who claim they don't care, are desperately hoping that Clinton's complicity in spreading that lie won't remain on people's minds during this upcoming election.

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  6. Re:WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to actually wade into the issue and form a discrete opinion of it.

    By far the coolest part of all this is now a "crowd" will form an opinion about Clinton and Benghazi from reading her emails. Primary sources FTW. Not want any journalist wants them to think, not a quote picked carefully for a political ad, but by actually reading what was said at the time. That's more informed democracy already than I expected in this whole election cycle!

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  7. Re:Not news, not for nerds, doesn't matter by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > nobody gives a shit about Benghazi.

    What about the cover-up?

    If nobody cares about that, when shouldn't we care even less about Watergate? At least nobody was killed in the Watergate scandal.

  8. Re: WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take Fox News and MSNBC coverage of any given story and split the difference and you might get something vaguely resembling the truth.

    That is yet another fallacy.

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  9. Re: WSJ is owned by NewsCorp now, right? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been modded down. Whatever.

    If one side is lying and the other side is telling the truth, then the truth is not somewhere in the middle.

    I'll let the reader decide which side is which.

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