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NSA-Reform Bill Fails In US Senate
New submitter Steven King writes with a link to The Daily Dot's report that the U.S. Senate has rejected the controversial USA Freedom Act, thus "all but guaranteeing that key provisions of the USA Patriot Act will expire"; had it passed, the bill would have allowed continued use of some mass data-collection practices, but with the addition of stronger oversight. From the article:
The Senate failed to reach agreement on passage of the USA Freedom Act, a bill to reauthorize and reform Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, which the government has used to conduct bulk surveillance of Americans' phone records. The House of Representatives passed the bill last week by an overwhelming bipartisan majority, but Senate Democrats, who unified behind the bill, did not get enough Republican votes to assure passage. The linked piece also mentions that the EFF shifted its position on this bill, after a panel of Federal judges ruled that the Feds at the NSA had overstepped their bounds in collecting a seemingly unlimited trove of metadata relating to American citizen's phone calls.
An 'emergency order' will extend the rule until Congress comes back from a very well deserved vacation from their hard work :-/
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Now the NSA will feel compelled to stage a domestic terrorist act in cooperation with the FBI in order to make their point, needlessly endangering the life of Americans. Do you really want another 9/11?
Which older generation? The one that sent men to the moon and that designed and flew the SR-71? That one?
It's hard to predict what the end result of this will be.
On the one hand, I can imagine that letting the mass spying provisions expire, and forcing the bulk data collection to stop, could actually be a win for privacy in the long run. After all, inertia is powerful, especially in politics. It is much easier and less controversial to say, "let's continue with our existing domestic spying program" than it is to say, "now that we stopped spying on everyone for a while, let's start spying on everyone again."
On the other hand, letting everything expire could create an environment where it becomes easy for fear to rule the day (or, easier than usual). We'll no doubt have politicians eager to scare us with stories of how letting bulk domestic surveillance expire makes us unsafe and vulnerable to terrorists, and so "we need to do something now before we die!" Then, new spying legislation could be hastily pushed through that is no better (or worse, depending on your perspective) than what we have now.
As I said, I think it is hard to predict the ultimate outcome, but if the recent past is any indicator, I sadly suspect that fear will win.
We know how this works: Issue an emergency order until a bare-bones bill allowing basic programs can be passed by US congress. Then secretly append the nasty schedules of the failed bill into necessary bills such as bills of supply. The military-industrial complex will get the laws they want sooner rather than later.
"USA Freedom Act" - what evil manipulative piece of shit gave that name to a bill on communication monitoring?
Not sure why I didn't see it in the summary.
there's no way they're building the data centers they are just to record metadata. It would be absurd to believe they're not recording the calls or having a third party do it. Or... does "metadata" include, for example, a series of hashes of the call content that lets you reproduce them with 98% accuracy, for example? :) It's just data about the call, after all...
Right, and all 12 year olds are uber-hackers supreme.
You can pretty much bet that the cool new cutting edge tech your young technophile or fresh college graduate is playing with was invented and designed by somebody you call an "older generation".
It's a lawyer thing. Most people in congress simply had no education that enables them to do an honest job.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes, the generation that sponsored the SR-71 to keep a close watch on godless communists and who commissioned astonishingly accurate satellite surveillance to keep the bad guys from taking over the world like a series of dominoes are also responsible for approving a system to keep close watch on the scary Muslims. The scary Muslims are even more dangerous than the godless Communists, because they don't concentrate inside any particular national boundaries. Therefore, it's necessary but unfortunate that every person on the planet be monitored in order to determine whether they are one of "Us" or one of "Them." The Cold War generation understands the "Us" and "Them" dichotomy, and invasive surveillance helps to distinguish.
They don't have to know how the technology works, and it may even help to be ignorant of the uselessness of so much data on so many innocent people. The people who designed the SR-71 are at the top end of their generation's technological bell curve. The people who sponsored it are at the bottom end.
The poster thinks that being knowledgeable about tech is knowing your memes and posting selfies of yourself regularly. I could ask my 20 year old millenial daughters how they think their phones/laptops work if you want an example of "clueless". Being a crack addict does not confer knowledge of plant alkaloids or even botany.
On the other hand people who aren't clueless about tech (and the disturbing direction it's headed in) will voluntarily use as little tech as possible...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
It pisses me off to no end that they can just violate our rights all they want, do it for years on end, then....no harm no foul in the end.
There is no scenario to my mind where every person involved should be walking free in the sunlight. Every single analyst, every politician, every single person who knew the facts and didn't turn them in.
All broke the law, all are guilty and deserve to be made individual example of for they are each individually 100% guilty of what they did.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Please actually look at the older generation, and revisit your own. Many younger people have _no idea_ how the technology works, much like their older peers. They have considerable hands-on familiarity with newer tools and no older habits to unlearn, but wait that same 10 years and they will be in a similar situation. I'm old enough to remember when 'C' and 'BASIC' were new and exciting. And it's a delight with my older colleagues and peers to learn new tools, and a personal delight to walk the young programmers through the same problems we had decades ago, problems they didn't realize the new tools would also have or which they ignored in testing.
While this is true of many there are those that do excel with tech. I also know that there are many of the younger generation who think that because they know how to use twitter they are special somehow but when their laptop wont boot they bring it to this old man to fix.
And yet they can't seem to comprehend the internets and need their 5yr old grandchild to show them how to use an ipad.
And yet, millenials seem to think that the internetzs and ipads are "High Tech".
Once you strip away the veneer of Facebook, Twitter, and knowing the mechanics of hooking up a wireless router, it turns out most of the "technologically savvy" millennials don't know much more than the Grandma of the endless memes.
I had this problem at work with them - The toughest part of dealing with the millennials was getting them to accept that I knew much more than they did, and they didn't know as much as they thought they did in the first place
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Never heard of him before I read this article.
If you had any shred of respect for obama still left, this article will destroy it
http://www.newyorker.com/magaz...
He is the only one fighting for the rights of americans to not be spied upon. Its a shame that 2 years after this article was written, people are caring less and less about these issues. For a while there in 2013, it looked like people really did care.
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as it omits (this from the NYT)
Whoever wrote the article didn't watch CSPAN all the way to the end. Mitch McConnell moved to reconsider Sunday the 31st. They're going to put it to a vote the following Sunday, because the bill expires at midnight on that day. Meaning this could still pass. I'm betting they're going to twist some arms to make that happen. What was really disturbing about watching that whole ordeal last night was that McConnel was able to put it to a re-vote multiple times in hopes of getting the answer he was looking for.
I'm not sure what he was expecting here... you would have to be a fool to change your mind so quickly even if you wanted to. "I was against the same bill 10 minutes or 1 week before I was for it." ... your political adversaries would be negligent not to hang you with that.
The public needs to write their senators ASAP this coming week to demand they vote it down or it's probably going to go through.
Amen.