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Google and Gates-Backed Khan Academy Introduces "Grit"-Based Classroom Funding

theodp writes: Their intentions are no doubt good, but some will be troubled by Google and Khan Academy's recently-concluded LearnStorm initiative, which pitted kids-against-kids, schools-against-schools, and cities-against-cities in a 3-month learning challenge for prizes based not only on students' mastery of math skills on Khan Academy, but also their perceived 'hustle' (aka 'grit'). "Points are earned by mastering math skills and also for taking on challenging new concepts and persevering," explained a Khan Academy FAQ. A blog entry further explained, "They've earned points and prizes not only for mastering math skills but also for showing 'hustle,' a metric we created to measure grit, perseverance, and growth. They competed over 200,000 hours of learning and 13.6 million standards-aligned math problems. In addition, thanks to the generosity of Google.org, DonorsChoose.org, and Comcast's Internet Essentials, 34 underserved schools unlocked new devices for their classrooms and free home internet service for eligible families, increasing student access to online learning tools like Khan Academy." Apparently funded by a $2 million Google grant, the Google, Khan Academy, and DonorsChoose grit-based classroom funding comes on the heels of the same organizations' gender-based classroom funding initiative. Supported by some of the world's wealthiest individuals and corporations, Khan Academy's Board members include a Google Board member (Diane Green), spouse of a Google Board member (Ann Doerr), and the Managing Partner of Bill Gates' bgC3 (Larry Cohen); former Board members include Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt.

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  1. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "grit" = stockholder profit potential

    1. Re:Translation by west · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically. It's all about finding the suckers willing to sweat the most for the masters above them.

      I'm certain you back up your sentiment by living "off the economic grid", but my, it's amazing how many others followed this sentiment with "and I should still be able to get all the neat stuff that everyone else sweats for..."

    2. Re:Translation by sanman2 · · Score: 2

      I love how as soon as anything gets mentioned about effort, perserverance, difficult, the push-button generation gets all cranky and wants to call it "evil", "mean", "exploitive" (Waaah! I want my free lunch - and I want it 5 minutes ago!)

    3. Re:Translation by west · · Score: 2

      I don't know any Google executives in person, but I have to say that all the executives I have met, including the ones who managed in ways I *dramatically* disagreed with, worked very hard indeed.

      I am also well aware that not everyone who works hard obtains a corresponding reward. There are many who work harder than I ever will for far more meager returns simply because they never had the educational opportunities that I was blessed with or faced racial/cultural/language challenges that I never will (which is why I *am* a Leftie :-)).

      But without exception, all of the successful people I've met over my 50-odd years have worked hard for their success.

  2. Why educate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just hire H1-B visa workers for pennies...

  3. What a terrible way to start your summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Their intentions are no doubt good, but some will be troubled ..." What a terrible way to start your summary.

  4. Welcome to EduThunderDome! by cyocum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two children enter the standardized testing center; one child leaves!

  5. We 'must' compete by hughbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the little people start cooperating, doing stuff, changing the world, that's really, really bad. So we must compete, win prizes given by the big people, follow their agenda. Hence, also, attempts to buy into or hijack open-source, communism and altruism on the hoof, cannot be allowed, everything must be monetised.

    I'm currently doing voluntary work in schools in the UK and the 'push' coming from Google, Microsoft 'partners' etc. is extrordinary. One would be mad to believe that any of this is altruistic, it's just a big, stable, undemanding [I deal with crap computers and software during the volunteering gigs] market.

    Sorry that this sounds so ranty, unusual for me, but I don't trust them, don't trust their motives.

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    On y va, qui mal y pense!
    1. Re: We 'must' compete by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The world is about competition. Even non-profit organizations are about competition. It might make you feel better to teach kids what you call "cooperation", but since you think cooperation is the opposite of competition, then you should be kept away from teaching children anything about life. People like you have heavily influenced education for 3 or 4 decades, and as a result we are churning out people who have no idea how the world works, and especially how markets work (to enable efficient cooperation).

    2. Re:We 'must' compete by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So we already stopped singling out winners for scholastic performance (or performance at sports, or whatever), with this "everyone's a winner" crap. And now we can't even give kids points for effort?!

      Competition (meaning a race between two or more people, although this also applies to the economic meaning of the word) is healthy and good, and it is a powerful way to push people to excel. And recognizing effort helps disadvantaged children, they get bonus points for persevering where the advantaged kids "got everything handed to them on a silver platter" without having to try very hard, as one critic in that article puts it.

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    3. Re:We 'must' compete by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      If the little people start cooperating, doing stuff, changing the world, that's really, really bad. So we must compete, win prizes given by the big people, follow their agenda. Hence, also, attempts to buy into or hijack open-source, communism and altruism on the hoof, cannot be allowed, everything must be monetised.

      Seriously? You think all competition is bad?

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    4. Re: We 'must' compete by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      Take a closer look at nature. Competition occurs when resources are limited. Wolves compete against other predators and their prey, but cooperation is what wins them the race. Humans compete with other animals, but farming is inherently cooperative and increases the availability of food for everyone. The only place where we really need to compete is in the reproductive stakes.

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    5. Re:We 'must' compete by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      "Everyone's a winner" was a lazy philosophy resulting from Chinese whispers in the teaching profession. The educational psychologists asked teachers to be more mindful of what they say, because they noticing that across the board, underperforming students got more negative reinforcement for mistakes than positive feednack when they got something right. Teachers weren't supposed to start giving uncritical praise, but just to smile more when kids get things right. It's not that hard to do, and everyone benefits, but it wasn't simple enough for the crappy resource packs and brain-dead seminars that much in-service training is built around.

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    6. Re: We 'must' compete by geoskd · · Score: 2

      I need someone to sweep my streets.

      No, you really don't. That job can and will be handled by inexpensive machines soon. In our current free market economy, those would be street sweepers have no real value at all. If they did not exist at all, society would be no worse off. The best that we can hope for under capitalism is that these people are quietly and humanely sterilized.

      I say this entirely tongue in cheek, as my oldest son will likely never amount to more than a drain on our family and society (He is autism spectrum). In yesterdays world, he could have gotten a decent job in any of a number of blue collar industries. In todays world, he might make ends meet working at McDonalds, In the world of 2030 and beyond, there is no job that he will be capable of doing that it wouldn't be cheaper to have a robot do. So the question now becomes, if he has negative value to society, what should society do with him? (Notice I am not asking what I should do with him, I don't really have a choice in the matter.)

      No amount of teaching him the difference between winners and losers is going to change the fact that in the world of tomorrow, he will be a loser, so why not let him have a little happiness now.

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    7. Re:We 'must' compete by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      Like most things, competition has its place and is neither a universal good nor an unmitigated evil.

      Generally speaking though, there's a large argument going on in human society/societies about where and how we balance the two. Part of this is because the advance of technology/science/learning/etc, we no longer need to savagely compete for basic resources in a kill or be killed sort of way (at least in most of the world). At the same time, a lot of the arguments and norms based on this have been around for a long time, and it's difficult to just turn your back on the way everyone has always done things. It's also very much in the interest of people who already have severe advantages to keep those advantages, and understandably so.

      We do need some form of competition, and it's always going to be with us. What we need is to better mitigate the downsides of losing. We do it to some degree already, although some countries do more than others. There are people (usually rich and conservative) that argue we do too much, or that we shouldn't do anything at all, but quite frankly that's a bunch of shit. I won't go into arguing the morality of it, but let me point out that people who are in danger of starving are desperate (nevermind if it's their kids in danger), and do desperate things like turn to crime. We can still have a competitive society, and still reward the people who excel, without unduly punishing people who 'fail' to excel.

    8. Re:We 'must' compete by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      Like how they're competing over in Syria and Iraq? I've been there, I've seen that kind of competition, and I'm quite happy NOT to have to engage in it here.

      What you're missing is that we have already agreed to limit competition, as a society. We've decided that someone isn't allowed come over to your house, shoot you, and take your stuff. Society imposes strict penalties on someone if they do that (or if they try to do that), and for good reason, because unmitigated unrestricted competition is very, VERY ugly.

      Furthermore, the USA already 'manipulates' society in the form of taxes and benefits. Things like Social Security and Medicare, or Medicaid/TANF/Food Stamps etc. You don't like those manipulations? What is your suggestion, then, instead? That we go back to people having no safety net at all, with everything that entails - the starvation, the crime, the riots, et cetera?

      Maybe you'd prefer to go back to the time of the fellow featured in this exchange:

      "... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
      "Are there no prisons?"
      "Plenty of prisons..."
      "And the workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
      "Both very busy, sir..."
      "Those who are badly off must go there."
      "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
      "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

  6. Some will be troubled by mattwarden · · Score: 2

    The current education system doesn't work, and some will be troubled as we attempt various other ways that might work. Some will be troubled as we displace people who currently operate the system that doesn't work.

    As for the linked complaint about grit implying that poor kids are poor because they don't try hard, who cares what it implies? I don't care if it hurts someone's feelings to misinterpret what this may or may not imply. I don't care if poor kids are poor because of external reasons. What does it matter? Should we spend our time explaining to them that they are victims of a system and have no hope, or should we teach them how to work hard? Perhaps grit is even more important for poor kids who have to work even harder to get out from where they started?

    Politically correct jerks can be offended all they want. That doesn't help kids achieve.

    1. Re:Some will be troubled by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Kahn academy is free stuff. As far as I can tell, no teacher/student was coerced into joining.
      If you don't like it, don't use it.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Some will be troubled by theodp · · Score: 2

      Nothing wrong with encouraging kids to work hard, but are you comfortable with Google and Khan Academy using (presumably) tax-free money and their mysterious "grit algorithm" to determine education haves and have-nots? Btw, one of the schools whose grit "unlocked new devices [Google Chrome laptops] for their classrooms and free home internet service for eligible families, increasing student access to online learning tools like Khan Academy" was coincidentally already a Khan Academy Case Study, which one might suspects might have given them an edge over the competition. If access to computers is truly fundamental for learning, which Google and Khan Academy seem to agree with, should it not be fully-funded rather than left to the kindness of corporations, nonprofits, and their "grit algorithms"?

  7. Re:No matter what you do these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's because it's bullshit! They are only trying to pacify the call to tax Wall Street. You know, the people who are stealing our pensions and strangling the legitimate economy? Fuck them. They are thieves!

  8. So we thought about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It turns out standardized testing was not the solution to bring everyone's educational standards up to par.

    So, we have decided the only alternative is to turn it into the Hunger Games.

    That is all.

  9. New markets by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    The education market is largely untapped and trillions are there to be won in this new "industry" by creating a marketplace from what was a public service with altruistic motives.

    Their agenda is to foster a market and transition education into an industry from which great profits can be had for training worker drones who are specifically tailored to the job market. Employers no longer want to train employees - the numbers on that are so low that most people do not even think about employer training or realize that employers used to have full time instructors of their own. It's all about cost externalization - they externalized employee training and are acting like the education system is failing them when it never did their job for them.

    Perfect is the enemy of good. Education in the past got us all the successes of today. But that isn't perfect, the perfect little snowflakes are not to blame... we have to get 100% success with every child and if not, it is NEVER their parents fault or the society. So lets completely revamp education which worked so well because it's not perfect. It's similar to how they destroyed the UK Postal System (Royal Mail) with tons of waste and destruction just so they could improve the service by a few % to become perfect. Now they've completely privatized it - it's still far from perfect...but new money can now corrupt the system so perfect now won't matter...

    I don't care if 40% can't read out of high school; send those people to another school targeted at their failure within the old system. The major steps forward were done by a minority of people who thrived in the old education model -- not everybody is a genius and whatever was done that let those people shine and deliver the progress we had should be left alone. Don't kill the golden goose people! You can experiment on the teenagers or children who fail but you should leave the successful ones alone! You can also not claim that somebody who did poorly (Einstein) did not benefit from the system; it is foolishly simplistic to measure success by short term simplistic metrics. In reality, human learning and development is far from understood - it is far more of a black box than people realize. (besides, learning to cope with failure is a huge lesson to learn properly. )

    One size does not fit all. Policy makers are always obsessed with making universal policies. Utopia is an incredibly evil goal.

    1. Re:New markets by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      Their agenda is to foster a market and transition education into an industry from which great profits can be had for training worker drones who are specifically tailored to the job market.

      Don't be so quick to judge people's intentions so harshly. Many people genuinely believe that what they're doing is for the best, and attacking their intentions rather than criticising their methods won't get us anywhere. The Tories cling to the belief that publuc services are intrinsically inefficient, and when they privatise contracts to their friends, it's because they know that they friends have good intentions too. And when they leave politics and take up directorships, it's because they've proven that they're good guys. The oroblem isn't intentions, but the unwavering belief that market economics are good for everyone, and an ideological inability to recognise that the inevitable result of competition is corner-cutting.

      As long as we allow ourselves to misrepresent their intentions and define them as inhuman monsters, we tacitly encourage them to do the same to us.

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  10. Flawed by spongman · · Score: 2

    The whole learnstorm thing was fundamentally flawed. You earned points in the competition by completing "mastery" challenges, of which there are a limited number. However, if you had completed most or all of the available mastery challenges before the competition had started then you were at a distinct disadvantage during the competition.

  11. Re:No matter what you do these days... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Kahn Academy is trying to pacify the call to tax Wall Street? I think you're letting your political views affect everything there, bro.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  12. Actual, real research behind this by Mantrid42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was a TED talk on this recently: http://www.ted.com/talks/angel... This isn't necessarily about pitting kids against each other. This is about emphasizing an objective measure of potential.

  13. Kahn's Academy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, so I went to Khan's Academy, and actually tried it. It took me several weeks, but eventually I was able to "prove" that I could do fourth and fifth grade math. I nearly finished sixth grade math, but burnt out and didn't return.

    Keep in mind that I have a minor in Mathematics, and actually like Calculus, Linear Algebra, Probability, Statistics, etc. The level of the material wasn't the problem, it was the course.

    All I can say is that many of the "lessons" on Khan's are so dry and mundane that basically you have to have a will of iron to work through them. Some of the material is poorly tested, such that when you miss a question it isn't always clear why. The concept of practice till you die makes all the topics tedious. Doesn't matter if you can answer correctly 16 times out of 20, because you need five correct in a row! And if you keep pulling up something that you swear has a wrong answer, you're back at the first of five correct.

    The entire process takes all the fun out of math. If this is the future, we can expect much worse than what we have now (although I can see how we will save money on teachers, as we can hire ones that don't need to know how to teach because we'll have the website teach worse than any trained teacher would).