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Building Hospitable Open Source Communities (Video)
This is an 11 minute excerpt from an hour-long video, contributed by long-time Slashdot user Erik Möller. This video is the moving picture equivalent of the typical Slashdot summary of a text article, complete with a link to the main article, which in this case is a video (over an hour long) at PassionateVoices.org. Erik's interviewee, Sumana Harihareswara, is also a long-time Slashdot reader who claims (admits?) that she met her husband through a Slashdot link, albeit indirectly. She's spent most of the past decade working with open source, much of it as a community leader. If you are in a leadership role in an open source community or plan to lead one someday, you may want to listen to the complete interview. Sumana has many useful things to say about how open source communities should -- and shouldn't -- be run.
I'll wait for the condensed Reader's Digest version
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
52 M here, looking for some hot lovin' in New York. Must know Assembly. Must know Ladder Logic.
Does anyone at Dice realize how much the community, in general, hates the stupid videos? How you cannot watch them in an office scenario, how you cannot get them in offline mode, how you cannot search the transcripts for information?
Yeah,.
Post the indexable and skimmable transcript or get out of my way.
...par for the course.
You cannot have honest open debate and free speech without hostility (or the perception of hostility).
It is also not always a negative (tolling usually is, but other form can be beneficial).
Guys who are all ego are the problem. Call them Brogrammers, or trolls, or d*ckheads. I've met them repeatedly in job interviews and they are detestable. They're all about personal power and imposing it on others through jerk behavior. No wonder then they are also misogynists and homophobes and douche bags.
A "safe space" is basically politically correct bigotry and SJW code for "we want segregation and preferential treatment for certain groups."
If some special snowflake is offended at something, then it's up to that special snowflake to deal with their feels on their own terms, not for the rest of the online community to bend to their demands for special treatment because something "triggered" them.
A few days ago, Sumana released this video, Pipeline, a critique of the tech industry's treatment of women. It's relevant to the overall discussion re: hospitality and worth watching (the main point being, "getting women into tech" doesn't really solve any problems if the actual experience in the industry is a terrible one).
So where's the transcript with this which Roblimo mentioned at some point in the past would alway be presented with the videos? I'm not going to waste time on 10 to 200 times the download required for video as opposed to a nice simple text transcript.
Anyway, if she has an idea of how to run an open source community, she can start and run one herself. That's how free and libre software works: don't like what's out there (for software or communities)... well then start your own or fork something which you can improve...
Don't tell us how to change ourselves. Be the change that you want to see in the world. If your way is successful and more promising, it will thrive and those whom you criticize ought to shrivel away (if you are correct). Or maybe both will thrive...
We need more do-ers, not more armchair quarterbacks and sofa-seat generals telling us how to run things.
Should open source communities be "run" at all?
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Really?
Oh, and BTW, thanks for directing me to Linked-fucking-In.
I'm sorry, we're a meritocracy, and you have nothing to rank.
It feels like there is a single anon coward that's getting all butthurt crying 'SJW!' at the drop of a hat.
Seems like it's the 21st century 'I'm not a racist, but...'
Meritocracy is soooo misogynist.
There is no open source community.
There is an open source anarchy, but definitely not a community.
One might even say open source ecosystem. But that's still far from a community.
Yes, we're programmers, so all those so-called experts in user-interface design should just shut up. We don't need usability studies! We wrote it ourselves, and pressing Alt-X and then typing "frobnitz" works and is memorable for us. Why should we adapt to using these stupid mice the way lusers would expect?
Sure, intelligent programmers might realize that there are domains involved with computing and software projects that don't directly involve coding skills (like user interface design, or real-world use cases, or, god forbid, the realities of social interactions with others), but those are all quivering gamma rabbits who cower before us mighty Social Injustice Warriors who lurk in our mothers basements, and never have any interaction with women whose names don't end in .jpg!
Ask yourself, "Do I have 11 minutes of my life to spare to listen to a pair of hipsters talk about how I should be performing an unpaid role that I will almost never undertake"
Then don't watch the video.
With all due respect (to your 4 digits!), do you really think that we ("programmers") need all that "how to be a human advise" (that Slashdot is full of)? I am asking specifically about that "how to be a human domain", not generally about non-coding domains related to us (like those you mentioned, and for which i agree we need external advise).
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Hey, atm it is even 'insightful'. Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
Those so-called experts in user-interface design brought us Gnome 3, Unity, and Windows 8, and the ongoing dumbing-down of the Firefox UI.
Disclaimer: IANAL. This post is, however, legal advice, and creates an attorney-client relationship.
Meritocracy is soooo misogynist.
Why? It's not the meritocracy, but the underlying issues, such as lack of equal opportunity, of crappy teaching programs that reinforce stereotypes (teaching girls programming in a segregated environment, for example, which blatantly shoves "we think you can't do this as well" in both gender's faces), and implying that career choices that are typically male are more valid than others. These programs just add more damage.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The bright out of place color warns others to avoid and ignore this species.
A fine warning indeed.
Hey, atm it is even 'insightful'.
Ha... it was "funny" just moments ago - BUT I WANTED "INFORMATIVE" (i really watched the video)!!!
Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
I already had some love from them:"Seriously, get help.", "You're sexist and a child. Die in a fire."! The irony is that they probably did not watched this "Building Hospitable Communities" video...
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Yes, lack of equal opportunity could be a problem. But boys do quite well is this field despite constant discrimination.
Suuure.... and not teaching in a segregated environment = wahhhhh.... our precious snowflakes are disadvantaged by boys.
And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time :-)
Opensource programmers have had their projects and contributions deleted and censored because they were mysoginist. Even if you're working for free you must obey the law.
Tell that to black male programmers looking for a job.
The real solution is to provide actual mentoring in a mixed-gender environment, not pre-packaged for-profit "teaching programs" that segregate the sexes. Both genders would certainly benefit from it. Follow the $$$.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You know, begging us to trust them and stop dissing their baby.
The biggest surprise I got from the video is that she has a husband!
And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time :-)
And a fellow Slashdoter made some good "investigation" work
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Bottom line, non-White ugly girl who can't get an Alpha and gets attention from nerdy White guys goes into a rage about the whole thing.
No one cares about sex, looks, race etc. when dealing with code. It either works, or it doesn't. People don't hate Lennart Poettering because he's a White guy. They hate his code because Pulse Audio is notorious for failing, time and time again. It just doesn't work outside his Redhat environment.
Open Source development is as Darwinian as it gets. Code works, or doesn't, and developers gain fame or infamy, based on results. Women and non-Whites/Asians have simply failed to produce anything of interest or use. And this is in a time when all it takes is setting up a Sourceforge account.
There's nothing stopping the ugly Non-White girl from coding. Save talent and interest. Hence a jihad of hate against nerdy White guys who can and DO code tools that people actually use and find useful.
are busy writing articles calling bullshit on non-coders like Sumana who do nothing but insult and degrade women by talking about how feckless and vulnerable they are.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
here comes the SOCJUS
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher than every other open source project. The claim that that is what keeps women out is self-defeating, because you're not advocating for women, you're calling them weak and incompetent far more plainly the dog whistling of the Internet misogynist.
No one is obliged to change their culture to suit the delicate sensibilities of someone else. You want to fit in with a foreign culture, the onus is on you to change, not the other way around. If you want more women to participate in the Linux kernel, the onus is on you to change how the wider culture indoctrinates women, so that they can learn how to correctly perceive the nuance that exists in that style of hyperbolic insulting criticism, which most men understand even if they don't like it.
Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
Other links (FOSS software removed by SJWs, and rejected for non-SJW compliance)
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310
http://whatwillweuse.com/fodde...
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi...
To a Man that thinks he's a Woman? Your judgment is clouded by your obvious mental illness.
It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher than every other open source project. The claim that that is what keeps women out is self-defeating, because you're not advocating for women, you're calling them weak and incompetent far more plainly the dog whistling of the Internet misogynist.
No one is obliged to change their culture to suit the delicate sensibilities of someone else. You want to fit in with a foreign culture, the onus is on you to change, not the other way around. If you want more women to participate in the Linux kernel, the onus is on you to change how the wider culture indoctrinates women, so that they can learn how to correctly perceive the nuance that exists in that style of hyperbolic insulting criticism, which most men understand even if they don't like it.
Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
As someone who some decades ago served for a couple of years as a conscript in the Greek S.F. i must fully agree with everything in your comment - and you don't even need to be a S.F. macho guy (who at the beginning of his training received mostly psychological pressure, as it is usual in S.F. selection phase) to understand what must be done in any environment (i would cry like a little girl in a serious 5-6 year olds' training ballet class!) that tries to seperates "wanna-bees" from "bees". And i must state that i especially like your last phrase: Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
Where are her public repos?
She is a cancer on the industry, just another Donglegate waiting to happen.
From what I can tell she has nothing to offer the programming world.
Just like Adria Richards this lady has no technical skill at all, only exists to stir up problems and has no business being in this field.
That is not sexist, it is the truth. If she were a he, he wouldn't belong either.
Code is gender-neutral.
See subject "Forrest" & this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
See subject "Forrest" & this -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...