Slashdot Mirror


Professional Internet Troll Sues Her Former Employer

baegucb sends a followup to the news from March that professional internet trolls were operating by the hundreds at factories in Russia. A woman hired to be one of these trolls, Lyudmila Savchuk, spoke to the media about her job, which led to her being fired. She's now suing her former employer and providing further details about how they operate. "The 'troll factory' operates based on very weird schemes, but all those firms are connected to each other, even though they are separate legal entities," she said. "I knew it was something bad, but of course I never suspected that it was this horrible and this large-scale." She describes how they flooded comment sections with pro-Putin responses, pushed out over 100 blog posts each shift, and doctored images to suit their employers' needs. Savchuk is now gathering activists to oppose this form of internet propaganda.

37 of 184 comments (clear)

  1. It's 1930s retro! by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stalin-- uh, I mean Putin -- would be proud of their efforts.

    I hope she carries a portable geiger counter. Polonium 241 is nasty stuff.

    --
    AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
    1. Re:It's 1930s retro! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    2. Re:It's 1930s retro! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The parent post should not be off-topic. We don't have a choice except to talk about this on unrelated threads, precisely because Dice is suppressing stories about it!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    3. Re:It's 1930s retro! by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ^ This. Unfortunately, Slashdot editors have unlimited mod points, so I expect your post and this one to get modded into oblivion. My karma can take it, but I think it's a shame that what would have been 'the big story' today was suppressed by Dice. If Soylent, et al weren't so lame, I'd have jumped ship, but /. is still one of the best sources for discussion.

      Say what you (not you specifically) will about /. going downhill, there's still much good signal in the noise - just hard when the corporate overlords expect you to not look behind the curtain.

      --
      "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." - Every fascist, ever
    4. Re:It's 1930s retro! by easyTree · · Score: 4, Informative
    5. Re:It's 1930s retro! by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The the most important issue of today will not be appearing on the front page and that is very sad. This used to be the place where we could come together and share a common bond. Those days are gone.

    6. Re:It's 1930s retro! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      What access? Tech minded individuals don't see anything they don't want to see on something as malleable as HTML.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    7. Re:It's 1930s retro! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Soylent News is slowly getting better and better. I still check it each day, and the comments section has slowly been getting more interesting and more full over time. It's not as good as /.'s comments section yet, but give it another year and it might be. Plus, the staff there are making a real effort to be transparent, supportive of the community, and extremely receptive to feedback for changes that should be made, and it's clear that it's having a beneficial impact.

  2. LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, internet trolls you

    --
    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:LOL ... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      In Capitalist America, internet trolls you too.

      It's like my favorite Soviet Russia gag: "In Capitalist America, man oppresses man, but in Soviet Russia it's the other way around!"

      --
      -Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
  3. Not really a troll... by jandrese · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This looks a lot more like plain old propaganda. It's not really internet trolling in the traditional sense.

    Is "internet troll' some sort of clickbait term? We heard it last year for people who were physically stalking women and it didn't make any sense then either.

    --

    I read the internet for the articles.
    1. Re:Not really a troll... by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why did Dice buy Slashdot?
      So they could suppress discussions about their own scandals!
      SHAME ON YOU DICE!

      Are you trolling?

      No, he is not trolling, he is merely pointing out the power of propaganda as mentioned by the OP. I believe it should be more considered irony given the context off this story

      --
      I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
    2. Re:Not really a troll... by JazzLad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Roger that, I do that sometimes myself. I hate all forms of censorship (save self-censorship, I can choose what I want to see :)) & when Dice pretends they don't do it and then we find blatant examples where they do ... it's sad.

      I'll get modded down, I'm sure, but I think it needed to be said.

      --
      "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." - Every fascist, ever
  4. Propaganda trolls propagandize propaganda article by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amusing that in the comments on this article about pro-Russia propaganda-trolls, most of the comments are by the very pro-Russia propaganda trolls that the article exposes, belittling the article and blaming the west

    --
    http://www.geoffreylandis.com
  5. Now THAT'S A Job I Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I get hired by these guys, do you think I have a shot at the Slashdot gig?

    Imagine getting paid for

    * First posts
    * In Soviet Russia jokes
    * Natalie Portman/Hot grits
    * Old Ike stories

    A good goatse redirect should pay big bucks!

  6. Troll v Troll by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I kind of have this idea that the comments section on CNN.com or foxnews.com is all troll bots. Right wing troll bots arguing with left wing troll bots arguing with agent provocateur right wing troll bots pretending to be deranged left wingers arguing with agent provocateur left wing troll bots pretending to be deranged right wingers.

    Basically, the internet is trolls all the way down.

    The alternative, that those are real people expressing their actual opinions, is too horrifying to contemplate.

    --
    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    1. Re:Troll v Troll by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The alternative, that those are real people expressing their actual opinions, is too horrifying to contemplate.

      The first rule of Fight Club might be "Don't Talk About Fight Club", but the first rule of The Internet is "Don't Read The Comments Section." There are very few exceptions to this rule, but most times reading the comments section on an article is an invitation for the worst of humanity's opinions to invade your brain via your eyeballs.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    2. Re:Troll v Troll by codemachine · · Score: 4, Funny

      Except here, where the rule is "Don't Read The Article".

    3. Re:Troll v Troll by Grog6 · · Score: 2

      Frank and Open laughter works for me, pretty much against those people.

      Just be careful of them in groups; you might get burned at the stake.

      --
      Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
    4. Re:Troll v Troll by jopsen · · Score: 2

      Except here, where the rule is "Don't Read The Article".

      Yeah, I find that if you read the article, it totally ruins most of the sensational headlines and outrages summaries :)

    5. Re:Troll v Troll by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      The "agent provocateur" bit. Make outrageous claims pretending to be a democrat or a republican to discredit them or generally cause infighting.

      It's not about persuasion, it's about disruption.

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  7. Professional trolls by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    are called shills.

    --
    Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    1. Re:Professional trolls by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      are called shills.

      This is wrong. As is the use of the word "troll" in the summary/article. Trolls and shills are distinct, and the difference isn't whether they get paid. You can be a paid or unpaid troll and a paid or unpaid shill.

      Trolls post messages written specifically to generate responses. The term derives from fishing where trolling means to drag something through the water to catch fish. Internet trolls post baiting comments trying to get people to respond to them. Flamebaiting is a subset of trolling, where the aim is to generate angry responses.

      Shills post messages to talk up some product, service, etc., trying to make it look good and its competition look bad.

      Both categories also assume that the writer likely doesn't fully agree with what he or she is writing. If two people write the same words but one believes them while the other doesn't, the former is not a troll or shill, but the latter may be.

      Note that paid trolls are pretty common on the Internet, but they tend to write the articles (or, on /., the summaries) not the comments. "Clickbaiting" is almost the same as trolling in this respect, except that a clickbait article is to collect clicks, while a troll article is intended to generate comments.

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
  8. How do you feel about the internet is trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's why I only read Slashdot. I have it on good authority that we're all nothing but modified chatbots and Markov text generators.

    1. Re: How do you feel about the internet is trolls? by Grog6 · · Score: 2

      Let me Tell YOU ABOUT MY MOTHER!!!!!!

      (Sweeps the table clear, and ...) :)

      --
      Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
  9. So the concept of Putlerbot sockpuppet is true!? by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have seen on various non-tech forums some extremely biased and even absurd views from a very obvious pro-Russian government position. All these accounts seemed to work in unison, with the same talking points and a very clear agenda. The fact that their agenda was so clear and transparent is the reason why many forum patrons call them "putlerbot" and "Kremlin's sockpuppets". I thought that Putin most likely would not waste money on such nonsense, but I did find the comments humorous.

    But now I am starting to think that these... "people" aren't just utterly delusional Internet users from Russia, but actual, paid-for, managed and directed sockpuppets.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  10. Re:So the concept of Putlerbot sockpuppet is true! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not really, no. Russian government shills are only used inside the country, to calm down dissent. They won't do their work on any English language website - what for? Basically, if you don't speak Russian, you won't see them. The only exception might be Serbia, but my guess is, you don't speak Serbian either.

    --
    "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  11. Re:Very Orwellian by mujadaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    what term do we use for 'dystopian'?

    "News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters" ?

    --
    Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
    "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
  12. Re:Propaganda trolls propagandize propaganda artic by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless they've been deleted somehow (Slashdot wouldn't do that, would they?), none of the posts prior to yours in this thread appears to be pro-Russian propaganda-trolls. There's a Stalin/Putin comparison (with a OT subthread ranting about Dice), a OT rant about Dice, an "In Soviet Russia" joke, a post distinguishing internet trolling from plain old propaganda (with an OT subthread ranting about Dice), and an AC calling trolling an artform. What's pro-Russian in there?

    --
    -Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
    "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
  13. Russian trolls are very active by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Already modded so have to be anon.

    If you look at any article talking about Russia's invasion of Ukraine you will see the comments infested with Russian trolls based out of St. Petersburg. They use every excuse they are told to use trying to explain away the hundreds of dead Russian soldiers (killed in training accidents over a 2 month period according to them), the amount of brand new equipment the Russian-backed rebels have and continue to get, even if the Ukrainian army never had such equipment (they raided weapons depots and now manufacture tanks, artillery and ammunition on their own despite having almost no manufacturing capabilities), the captured Russian soldiers (they weren't really soldiers. They left the army right before they were captured and were only "vacationing" in Ukraine or "volunteering" to fight which is why they brought along their tanks, artillery and BUK missile systems).

    It's quite funny, at time, reading their completely fabricated and unbelievable stories of how everyone but Putin is to blame for Russia's problems. Even when Putin came out and stated categorically he ordered Russian troops to take over Crimea the trolls denied Putin's own words. Apparently not only is everything coming from the West a lie, but so are the words of their dear leader. In their minds, everything is a lie.

    I read something the other day which helps to explain the Russian mind set. The Grapes of Wrath was shown as a movie to the Russians many decades ago (30s?). It was supposed to be an exercise in how bad capitalism was. The problem was, at the end of the movie it was shown that even the poorest American could afford to buy their own car so the Russian authorities banned the showing of the movie. They needed to keep up the lie about the evils of the West so like Putin has done by banning the mention of how many Russian soldiers have died during the invasion of Ukraine, including preventing the mothers and fathers from speaking about their dead sons, Russia needs to keep its people believing in lies because if they knew the truth they would realize how backwards their country is and why they will never be taken seriously by anyone.

    1. Re:Russian trolls are very active by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've seen multiple posts now about how much shilling the Russian government does; with an unstated assumption that nobody else is doing this. I'd like to suggest the reader go take a look at the massive PR campaigns constantly waging on the internet to influence public perceptions. Does nobody remember stories we've had on slashdot about Microsoft astroturfing almost a decade ago? Or more recently how United Launch Alliance bought PR services to trash-talk SpaceX and Elon Musk to prevent them from getting government contracts?

      My problem with these articles is that they come off so goddamn anti-russian; it's like propaganda in the reverse direction, and if I point out the fucking hypocrisy of calling out Russia for doing something like this while the US, EU, and various corporations get a free ride, I'm called a "russian shill", it's maddening that common sense is thrown away for the sake of "good guy, bad guy" politics!

      I don't think many people even realize just how slanted these stories and comments look if you stop treating Russia like immoral mustache twirling villains and western-anything as proud defenders of justice and freedom and paragons of virtue. It's so comically black and white that it fucking blows my mind people on sites like slashdot still treat these issues this way.

      Fuck, I hate politics so goddamn much. It's like it automatically flips off the 'critical thinking' switch in everyone's head.

  14. Re:Pfff amature by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    You misspelled "armature".

  15. Re:So the concept of Putlerbot sockpuppet is true! by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not really, no. Russian government shills are only used inside the country, to calm down dissent.

    How in the hell do you know this? Is it more likely that hundreds/thousands of Russian citizens are utterly delusional to the point of insanity, all the while being perfectly Internet savvy, or that there are propaganda firms working for Putin to control the Western public opinion regarding things such as Ukraine? I find the latter much more likely.

    The only exception might be Serbia, but my guess is, you don't speak Serbian either.

    Tu si se zajebo. Sasvim solidno "citam" srpski i ostale bivse Yugo jezike, osim makedonskog.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  16. Dice Company responds: (first draft) by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dice is currently involved in transitioning SourceForge's magnetic niches. In order to synergize such a leading-edge platform while integrating web-enabled e-tailers and benchmarking frictionless vortals we had to postpone synthesizing out-of-the-box convergence.

    I hope this clears things up.

    --
    Fifty years of Yippie! 1968-2018
  17. Re:Propaganda trolls propagandize propaganda artic by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2

    I suspect the parent means the comments attached to TFA, not the comments here at Slashdot.

  18. This is supposed to be a tech savvy site by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Astroturfers != trolls.

    This is as stupid as every Fox or CNN commentary that calls anyone posting anything 'naughty' or bothersome a troll, or anyone under 30 as "gen-x".

    Christ, people. If this site can't get it straight, what hope do we have that anyone else would?

    --
    -Styopa