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Can You Commit Copyright Infringement By Using Your Own Work?

Mrs. Grundy writes: Notorious appropriation artist Richard Prince has been in the news again with his show consisting of screen shots of other people's Instagram photos printed as large inkjets on canvas. These prints have reportedly sold for $90,000. In 2013 Prince successfully defeated a lawsuit for a previous appropriation by convincing the court his work was 'transformative' and it's likely this new work would also find a sympathetic ear in the court. Among the photographs whose work he used this time were several from the Suicide Girls Instagram feed. In response, Selena Mooney, cofounder of Suicide Girls, began offering exact replicas of Prince's pieces that used her photographs for a mere $90. Photographer Mark Meyer looks at the bizarre possibility that if Prince's use of Mooney's work is transformative and fair, Mooney's might be copyright infringement.

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  1. Correct, but silly by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's simple, if it's copyrighted, it's copyrighted. It doesn't matter that it's a derivative of your own earlier works. That a screenshot (of someone else's work) is copyrightable is the problem. If you were to copy his method to come to a similar (or even identical) work, you'd be legal, but to copy his exact work, it doesn't matter that it's transformative of your original work.

    These issues have been well explored in music, where "borrowing" from others is well known and broadly practiced.

    1. Re:Correct, but silly by gnupun · · Score: 2

      In patent law, adding improvements to an existing patent X, with another patent Y, does not give you the right to infringe patent X. So transforming an image should not strip of the original copyright holder's right of the transformed image. The transformed image should be jointly copyrighted by original and new copyright owner.

      BTW, adding a few lines of text below a photo is not transformative (looks like a webpage) ... looks more like an excuse for theft.

    2. Re:Correct, but silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As usual, the Slashdot summary is wrong, although even TFA doesn't make it very clear. The $90 version isn't an exact replica. There's another comment added to the bottom, and without digging into the details I'm guessing it's the presence of the comments that made the $90.000 version "transformative" (In fact it's arguably fair use as well, since it's commentary on the image). Now, of course, the $90 still isn't on the clear at all, because the idea of having the comments as part of the work was part of Richard Prince's "transformation". While ideas in itself can't be copyrighted, this goes into the core of the originality and differentiation of the new work. The $90 piece is neither original nor differentiated from the former. Albeit, arguably, the statement it's making is stronger than the $90.000 one, but that's an opinion. So the TL DR version: None of the versions being talked about are "exact replicas" as the summary claims.

    3. Re:Correct, but silly by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      TFS mentioned that adding the comment was unlikely to be the basis of transformation. It is transformative because of the radical context change which creates a commentary on the medium in the same way Marcel Duchamp transformed a porcelain urinal into art by placing it in a gallery and titling it "Fountain."

      Andy Warhol using an image of a Campbell's Soup can in his art did not mean Campbell's had to change their can or stop selling soup.

      I don't believe there's any case against Mahoney using the image she made. I'd like to see it go to court.

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    4. Re:Correct, but silly by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > It's simple, if it's copyrighted, it's copyrighted. It doesn't matter that it's a derivative of your own earlier works.

      It's not that simple.

      It didn't stop that idiot Zaentz from suing John Fogerty over John Fogerty. i.e. He believed John Fogerty had plagiarized John Fogerty via his earlier work "The Old Man Down the Road" which sounded too much like "Run Through the Jungle."

      How the hell can you be sued for creating a later work when you wrote earlier work?? How can the later work NOT be derivative when it is _your_ *style* ?? This is completely retarded.

      When you have the same bloody 4 chords repeated over and over as Axis of Awesome points out, copyright gets ridiculous. What's next? Suing people because they used the same 3 notes? 2 notes? 1 note?

    5. Re:Correct, but silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Richard Prince is using entire photographs so I don't think it's a pointless rhetorical question at all. In fact: it seems highly relevant to the discussion at hand.

    6. Re:Correct, but silly by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      John sold his copyright, then copied himself. That is a clear and not a problem, though maybe a good warning for people to not sell copyright completely if they plan on continuing to work in the industry.

    7. Re:Correct, but silly by Troed · · Score: 2

      That's an awesome defense for The Piratebay.

    8. Re:Correct, but silly by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      In most cases, copyrights aren't "issued" and even if they are, that's meaningless to such claims, other than to establish who published first, should that be in dispute.

  2. Except it is a commentary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole act of putting the almost exact replica from the original copyright owner is a commentary on the issues of the weirdly selective broad reach of copyright. Thus it should be protected free speach.

    1. Re:Except it is a commentary... by readin · · Score: 2

      Can she do that, or does she have to do something "transformative" like adding fine print to the canvass saying "Can you believe someone paid $90,000 for this?"

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  3. Re:stupid by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is if you have the right lawyers.

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  4. Re:stupid by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 2

    > screen shots of other people's Instagram photos printed as large inkjets on canvas

    This is no way that this is "transformative."

    Nor "art":

    > appropriation artist Richard Prince

    Appropriation (art)

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  5. Re:Commerce as speech by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    TFA specifically mentioned that this would be unlikely to work. However, you could argue that the irony in the concept of 'copyrights all the way down' might be sufficiently transformative so as to enjoy copyright protection.

    Thus, it would really be 'copyrights all the way down'. Or perhaps recursion.

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  6. Infringing your own works? by Megane · · Score: 4, Informative

    And nobody has yet mentioned John Fogerty? Slashdot, I am disappoint.

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  7. Obviously her performance is also transformative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The price point itself is an artistic expression of the desirable commoditization of art. By taking a formerly expensive piece of art and making it available to the masses, the artist instills in us the notion that the artificial scarcity of mass producible artifacts creates an elitist vehicle for abstract investments, whereas actual art belongs in the hearts and minds of people, not in their vaults. This performance makes palpable the disgust that we feel when confronted with the personality cult that drives the commercial art scene."

  8. Re:Obviously her performance is also transformativ by Duckman5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The price point itself is an artistic expression of the desirable commoditization of art. By taking a formerly expensive piece of art and making it available to the masses, the artist instills in us the notion that the artificial scarcity of mass producible artifacts creates an elitist vehicle for abstract investments, whereas actual art belongs in the hearts and minds of people, not in their vaults. This performance makes palpable the disgust that we feel when confronted with the personality cult that drives the commercial art scene."

    I completely agree and wish that I had mod points. I see her response almost as a parody of the ridiculousness of the entire situation. I don't know how a court would decide, but I would definitely argue that the response is transformative in the same way as Prince's work. The only problem is the way in which she was "marketing..these prints as cheaper alternatives to Prince’s.." and that would make the argument that they are a new work of art very difficult.

  9. Additional Equally Banal Comment by localroger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The key to this is that Mooney is "transforming" Prince's "work" in exactly the same way he "transformed" hers. If her use is infringing, so is his. The "transformation" of simply making a large printout isn't going to fly. Copyright doesn't depend on the size or transmission method.

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  10. Of course. by mbone · · Score: 2

    It's called "self-plagerism," and it most commonly occurs when someone publishes a paper in a journal that claims the copyright. Then, if the author uses their text without approval, it's a copyright violation.

  11. Pirate bay should do that by bug1 · · Score: 2

    Just add their logo in the bottom corner of all the movies and call it art.

    But of course the law is about playing favorites ...

  12. Re:Obviously her performance is also transformativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only problem is the way in which she was "marketing..these prints as cheaper alternatives to Prince's.." and that would make the argument that they are a new work of art very difficult.

    How so? They are alternatives, substitutes even. That is the point. The price for that piece of art is arbitrary and inflated by artificial scarcity, which she denounces and replaces with accessible art for the masses, thus showing us the true colors of the commercial art world, which, even when faced with appropriation art, still favors scarcity over impact. If the number of copies is so important to the art establishment, then how is changing the number of available copies not an artistic act? And to really drive it home, she does it in a performance that is thinly veiled as a commercial endeavor: Art posing as business in response to business posing as art. You'd have to be a complete philistine to not recognize it. (I'm not being facetious here: Obviously her selling these pictures is a comment on the appropriation of her own pictures, and should be seen in the same light. She did not open a business where you can buy replicas of just any piece of art, just replicas of the pictures related to her own pictures. That it elicits the most revealing response imaginable proves her insight.)

  13. Re:The Copyright Lawyer Full Employment Act by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    They didn't exactly duplicate his pieces, they did to his pieces exactly what he did to theirs: copied the piece exactly except for adding their own comment(s) at the bottom. That'd put him in a bind, he can't win against them without guaranteeing everyone whose work he appropriated a win against him. IMO Meyer's fear-mongering on that point.

    There's another twist too. The only part Prince significantly changed is the comments on the images. But the comments and the copyrights on them aren't owned by the Instagram users whose images Prince used, they're owned by the people who posted them. Certainly I can use work A for purposes of commentary on work A, but can I use work A for purposes of commentary on work B by a different creator?

  14. Re:stupid by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so much of what passes for art these days is degenerate shit.

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  15. Re:Rights vs immunity of Fair Use Defense. by Mrs.+Grundy · · Score: 2

    You sound like a lawyer, so I want to give the benefit of the doubt here, but I don't understand where you get the idea that fair use is just immunity.

    Copyright infringement is unlawful. Fair use is not an infringement of copyright. So if it's not infringement, how is it unlawful?

  16. Re:stupid by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Keep in mind that to many artists the place you see an object is a big part of the work. Simply by converting the photos from an electronic format on Instagram into large canvas prints in a gallery he transformed the works. There are actually entire schools of art devoted to taking random shit, placing them in galleries, so everyone can stand around speculating about what you meant when you decided to display your bed*. And if if the new photo counts as a transformation then it's a completely new work and the original owner's copyright does not apply. In other words he can almost certainly get as many Doctors of the Fine Arts as he wants to write impassioned essays defending his right to do this shit.

    Always remember: the law is 100% logic, 0% common sense.

    That said, I'm pretty skeptical that the Courts would buy it. The case he won he actually changed a guy's pictures to the point that you can instantly tell the Prince version from the Cariou original even when both of them are digital reproductions on your monitor.

    *The bed in question sold for 150k GBP top a collector, who just sold it for $4,351,969 so clearly this bed is art and not pretentious BS from lazy people who mistake a tendency to over-analyze with intelligent commentary.

  17. Re:stupid by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

    so much of what passes for art these days is degenerate shit.

    The technical term you're looking for there is from German, "entartete Kunst".

  18. Re:Obviously her performance is also transformativ by Duckman5 · · Score: 2

    ... to really drive it home, she does it in a performance that is thinly veiled as a commercial endeavor: Art posing as business in response to business posing as art. You'd have to be a complete philistine to not recognize it.

    Brilliant! Everything is part of the performance! I really love it. It takes it to a whole new level of meta.Thank you for that insight.
    I had never thought of framing it like that. I had approached the situation from the assumption that her actions were of anger/spite, but you're absolutely correct. I wonder how deep this rabbit hole can go...

  19. Re:stupid by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

    He adds comments below them, and this he claims makes it both transformative and art. The problem I have, though, is this idea that "transformative" somehow means its no longer a derivative work, because the rights of original creators are supposed to be protected in derivative works under the Berne Convention.

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