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Artist Uses 3D Printing To Preserve Artifacts Destroyed By ISIS

tedlistens writes: "From the burning of the Library of Alexandria to the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan by the Taliban, to the Nazi's battle to burn as much "degenerate art" as they could find, mobs and soldiers have been quick to destroy what took societies centuries to create; what museums and collectors spent decades collecting, preserving, and documenting for the public." However, as noted by Motherboard in an article to which tedlistens links, "The digital era looks different: files can be cheaply hosted in data centers spread across several states or continents to ensure permanence. Morehshin Allahyari, an Iranian born artist, educator, and activist, wants to apply that duplicability to the artifacts that ISIS has destroyed. Now, Allahyari is working on digitally fabricating the sculptures for a series called "Material Speculation" as part of a residency in Autodesk's Pier 9 program. The first in the series is "Material Speculation: ISIS," which, through intense research, is modeling and reproducing statues destroyed by ISIS in 2015. Allahyari isn't just interested in replicating lost objects but making it possible for anyone to do the same: Embedded within each semi-translucent copy is a flash drive with Allahyari's research about the artifacts, and an online version is coming.

73 comments

  1. Preserving is not the right word by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Low-resolution copies of the originals does not help preserve the originals.

    1. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When the originals have been destroyed, low resolution copies are wonderful.

    2. Re:Preserving is not the right word by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      whats so special about making replicas??? is it because of ...with a computer!?

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    3. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Shoten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Low-resolution copies of the originals does not help preserve the originals.

      That's a good point. Perhaps we could drive the point home by bombing Mecca and then providing a low-resolution copy of it to fulfill the same purpose.

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    4. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whats so special about making replicas??? is it because of ...with a computer!?

      I replicated a giant dildo and shoved it up my ass! I did it ... wait for it ... WITH A COMPUTER AND 3D PRINTER!

      So where's my front page story? (Note to self: lubricant is a good thing).

    5. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low-resolution copies of the originals does not help preserve the originals.

      That's a good point. Perhaps we could drive the point home by bombing Mecca and then providing a low-resolution copy of it to fulfill the same purpose.

      I always thought the certain threat of that would be a good idea. Just tell all Muslims: "we have tons of bombs pointed at Mecca. The next time something goes BOOM because of a terrorist attack, we use them - there would not be one stone left standing on top of another by the time we're done. If you value your Holy Land, then do something to deal with your own extremists."

      Hey, it could work. Suddenly the more reasonable Muslims will start caring about the crazy Muslims. That's what needs to happen.

    6. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Jhon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We don't have Plato's original manuscripts. Those copies have sure come in handy. We don't have Caesers' De Bella Gallico, yet those copies are nice. I can list hundreds of examples.

      Don't underestimate the importance of copies.

    7. Re:Preserving is not the right word by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      thats not the point i was making, and i for one am very happy to see anything at all being done to preserve these ancient artifacts (id like to see more ISIS people being killed off but thats a different topic)

      I just dont quite get why this is newsworthy , or at least the 3d printer and artist part. hes making replicas, which is awesome, but not really newsworthy, people have been doing so for centuries

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    8. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low-resolution copies of the originals does not help preserve the originals.

      That depends what you're trying to preserve. With the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, a huge amount of knowledge about ancient history was lost. On the other hand, the destruction of grand monuments to religion and ancient tyrants is more about the loss of entertainment - e.g. not being able to go see it as a tourist. Although it's also a chance to get up close and personal with the fact that the rich and powerful have a very long history of brutally exploiting everyone else for frivolous reasons. That's not to say that I'm in favor of destroying any artifacts regardless of how frivolous they may be - just that not all artifacts are equal in terms of what one might want to preserve and why.

    9. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low-resolution copies of the originals does not help preserve the originals.

      That depends what you're trying to preserve. With the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, a huge amount of knowledge about ancient history was lost. On the other hand, the destruction of grand monuments to religion and ancient tyrants is more about the loss of entertainment - e.g. not being able to go see it as a tourist. Although it's also a chance to get up close and personal with the fact that the rich and powerful have a very long history of brutally exploiting everyone else for frivolous reasons. That's not to say that I'm in favor of destroying any artifacts regardless of how frivolous they may be - just that not all artifacts are equal in terms of what one might want to preserve and why.

      History is just a long line of homicidal psychopaths committing mass murder to subjugate other cultures that were led by less skillful homicidal psychopaths.

      Like Megadeth said, if you kill a man you're a murderer - kill many and you're a conqueror. Kill them all, you're a god.

    10. Re:Preserving is not the right word by KGIII · · Score: 1, Funny

      I always thought that, instead of bombing brown people we should take a couple of choppers and a team over and just still that whole Mecca thing and promise to return it when they have cleaned their own house.

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    11. Re:Preserving is not the right word by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Wow... STEAL not STILL.

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    12. Re: Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you, Carmen Sandiego?

    13. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Whiteox · · Score: 2

      All of the museum pieces have been 2D photographed or drawn. The drawings are not what we would call truly realistic. 2D photo and film does not translate to 3D copy easily, although I feel that with the right technology, some items can be made into a 3D representation. As for drawings, check out the early lithographs/woodcuts and even colour plates (zoological for instance) of a few hundred years ago and compare them to RL. There is a marked difference.
      3D scanning is a very new technology and some artefacts can be visualized using this method. That's about it as very few have been recreated. The National Museum of Rome is a good example of what can be done with plaster moulds and sculpture. The museum model makers have filled this place up with copies of everything as much as they are able. Some of it is not to scale however.
      Elements of ISIS are destroying everything that is not Islam and in the cradle of civilization, this means that some of the heritage of most of us is slowly being destroyed eg artefacts from Mesopotamia, Sumer etc. This is hypocritical as the Kaaba (the place the muslims face for prayer) has origins that are pre-Islamic that was once full of statues of pagan gods.
      Uncomfortably, we lose artefacts all the time. This is no different and any attempt to preserve and re-create lost ones are worth the effort.

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    14. Re:Preserving is not the right word by penix1 · · Score: 1

      Don't underestimate the importance of copies.

      Absolutely right especially given that the ones they are copying were copies to begin with!

      http://rt.com/news/240801-isis...

      The ancient statues that Islamic State militants smashed in Mosul on camera last month have been proved to be exact replicas of precious artifacts of Iraqi heritage. The real masterpieces of antiquity are said to be in Baghdad.

      "They were copies. The originals are all here," Baghdad's museum director told Germany's Deutsche Welle.

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    15. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if it's a low-resolution 3D printed figure of Mohammed?

    16. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that was the major problem with your post.

    17. Re: Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What needs to happen is one billion muzzies gassed and burned.

    18. Re:Preserving is not the right word by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes it was. I am guessing you know that my post was in jest and just want to whine. That is okay, I am happy to help you. However, I would suggest that you write 'My Negative Mind' on a rock and drop it into a deep river and then go on retreat. A Dharma is willing to help teach you how to throw away the past and negatives. A rock is only heavy when you carry it, when you set it down it is light to you. Holding on is not beneficial, it is not healthy for you, and is not going to help you with your karma. Do not take my word for it, I am not making an appeal to authority, but look inside yourself and then make your choices.

      As the Buddha suggests, be happy to be in your situation and you will be free. You can not be free if you carry that much baggage. Still your mind and be content with what you are being given. Throw everything out (no, not your personal possessions but the things that become words when you try to concentrate or meditate) and you will have no burden to carry. Your thoughts will be clearer, good things will happen as karma does that, you will not be returning as a lower life form (if you return), and you will be closer to enlightenment.

      So, even if you intentionally did not read what I wrote as it was intended (or you are intellectually limited) , I am still happy that you lashed out and I hope that it made you feel better for a short term. As I truly care about humanity (you impact more than yourself) I hope you seek refuge in the three jewels (Buddha, Dharma, and Sarma) and a decent physical refuge if you feel that they are right to you. You are free to walk in and you are free to walk out. Long-term happiness comes from inside you and how you think. Do not let knowledge cloud your morals. Do not accept an appeal to authority - do your own work. Sarmas are good people and would make an acceptable start for many people.

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    19. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the originals have been destroyed, no preservation is possible.

    20. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure it would get more Muslims pissed off, making them more likely to attack rather than less.

      Do you really think that some group outside the US saying, "If you don't stop supporting Israel, we're going to set off dirty bombs in multiple US cities," would make the US kinder and gentler?

    21. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Muslim friend told me 'that big stone in Mecca is less important than just one human life'. Don't know who he referred to - the prophet or not - but I can imagine.

      Just as stupid an idea as 'bombarding with ham', IMO. Bombarding with ham will gather teh same response as bombarding the west with dead cockraoches. Except the ham will smell more.

    22. Re:Preserving is not the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Megadeth said, if you kill a man you're a murderer - kill many and you're a conqueror. Kill them all, you're a god.

      Nope, kill them all and you're dead.

  2. Sure, makes complete sense by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    And if ISIS were to kill Will Weaton, that is OK since I have his Wesley Crusher action figure.

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  3. Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm afraid that willfull, destructive ignorance and barbarism isn't a problem that technology can solve. A digital copy, however perfect, remains a copy, and by nature, can't be used as proof that there ever *was* an original, which is the entire purpose of ISIS's destruction of these relics.

    I don't mean to denigrate these efforts. I mean, I'm really glad to see some part of these works preserved, but... Human lives are transient, and we weep at senseless killing, but one thing humans can do to achieve a bit of immortality is to leave behind a long-lasting legacy of culture and art. ISIS is not only insistent on killing people in the present. Destroying these artifacts is like killing artists' legacies from the past as well.

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    1. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by J+Story · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid that willfull, destructive ignorance and barbarism isn't a problem that technology can solve. A digital copy, however perfect, remains a copy, and by nature, can't be used as proof that there ever *was* an original, which is the entire purpose of ISIS's destruction of these relics.

      Even having a physical object is not proof that it is the original. Moreover, I submit that even backups of purported original texts of the Library of Alexandria, for example, would be extremely informative, especially when the only other options is nothing.

    2. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The texts of the Library of Alexandria is a slightly different case, because the real value in those text was the information they contained, not in the beauty and physical structure of the objects themselves like with artwork. The physical scrolls on which they were written probably would have only been of secondary concern.

      Don't get me wrong. I'm extremely grateful when *anything* of these relics is preserved, of course. But there's a reason only the original piece of artwork is truly valued, even if a hand-created replica is its near-perfect equal.

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    3. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by lkcl · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid that willfull, destructive ignorance and barbarism isn't a problem that technology can solve. A digital copy, however perfect, remains a copy, and by nature, can't be used as proof that there ever *was* an original, which is the entire purpose of ISIS's destruction of these relics.

      i disagree, outright. their aim is to destroy availability and access to anything that could cause people to have "thoughts" outside of the proscribed and permitted range as dictated by them. in that regard, it *doesn't matter* that the copies are imperfect replicas of the original.

      in fact, now that i think about it: a second objection to what you say is that if anyone else notices a discrepancy, they may take a copy of the files and improve on it. so in that regard, the fact that these insane people have endeavoured to destroy the originals actually results in *more* people with access to - and thus thinking about - the origins of the artefacts that were destroyed.

      either way, these insane people have *helped* spread the messages that they attempted to suppress. so i think i will mark this story as "stressandeffect".

    4. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But there's a reason only the original piece of artwork is truly valued,

      It it because by 'value' you mean the dollar value assigned by speculators/hoarders/collectors who want 'the original'?

    5. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      either way, these insane people have *helped* spread the messages that they attempted to suppress. so i think i will mark this story as "stressandeffect".

      Only as a short-term media blip. The original artifacts, however, are lost forever. Whatever information we have of them now is as much as we'll ever have (short of extrapolating new hypotheses from existing data), thanks to these barbarians. More importantly, the sense of awe and wonder from seeing in person something created from our distant ancestors is lost forever. We all know what the Mona Lisa looks like. Would you still like to see it in person? I sure would.

      Hundreds of years from now, people would have still been interested in seeing these works. I just can't bring myself to believe that many people will have an interest in seeing a digitally produced replica. There will just be a historical footnote in some digital archives about how the originals have been lost to history thanks to modern barbarians, and that will be it.

      I wish I was wrong about this... I really do, because it would mean a small victory against ISIS. I'm actually glad you're more optimistic about it than I am.

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    6. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you insensitive clod, I was speaking of artistic, historic, and cultural value. Any artwork of significant artistic, historic, and cultural value will also tend to command a high monetary value, but they're not valued because speculators have assigned some arbitrary dollar value to them.

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    7. Re:Not the same, but I guess the best we can do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid that willfull, destructive ignorance and barbarism isn't a problem that technology can solve. A digital copy, however perfect, remains a copy, and by nature, can't be used as proof that there ever *was* an original, which is the entire purpose of ISIS's destruction of these relics.

      Even having a physical object is not proof that it is the original. Moreover, I submit that even backups of purported original texts of the Library of Alexandria, for example, would be extremely informative, especially when the only other options is nothing.

      Well yes, because it's easy to "backup" the information in a book or manuscript because it's written down. The rest of the artifact, everything apart from the information, cannot be "backed up". Yes, having a visual replica could be useful in some situations, having one with the exact dimensions of the original could also be very, very useful for many purposes. But the original artifact has many attributes which cannot be backed up. And it's important to note that even a copy of an older item can itself become an artifact.

  4. Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a tragedy waiting to happen!

    1. Re:Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      what do you mean "when" didnt you see all the outrage over the draw a cartoon rally from last week??? the left was saying they deserved to die for drawing a cartoon.... i mean come on

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    2. Re:Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not "the left", any more than "the right" are all free market fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics.

      Some morons who claim to represent the left say this. They are people the rest of "the left" think of as "fuckwits".

    3. Re:Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Left should send emissaries to Al-Raqqa, Syria to try to clear up all the misunderstandings we seem to be having.

      I'm sure we can watch it on youtube or liveleak.

    4. Re:Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      To clarify and expand:

      'the left' and 'the right' are the people the rest of everyone think of as 'fuckwits.'

      Don't kid yourself. A lot of people throughout history have thought 'we really have figured it all out. now we just need to ram our rules through and the world will be better.' The flavor varies, but not much else.

    5. Re:Don't get Hebdo'd bro! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      some would make the argument that the 2 are not the same. (not me, but some)

      one involves the ending of a (potential) human life, the other...is drawing a cartoon....

      Not really the same

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  5. Hmm... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

    That doesn't really preserve the originals, you're just making copies of them. There are hundreds of thousands of Mona Lisa's in the world, but they are all worth nothing compared to the original. I really don't mean to discourage these efforts, it's a good idea, but it's not "preserving artifacts destroyed by ISIS", it's "distributing copies of things destroyed by ISIS". Copies are not going to pacify my loathing for this terrible organization - these people deserved to be burned alive just like the people they've killed, and I'm very rarely one to talk about extremes.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      And yet, we all know that the Mona Lisa that we all know and love is a fake, but that doesn't stop millions of people from admiring it every year.

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  6. ISIS = Al Qaeda = CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    ISIS = Al Qaeda = CIA

    sheep

    1. Re:ISIS = Al Qaeda = CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see the CIA has mod points today

    2. Re:ISIS = Al Qaeda = CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hows that unjustified self importance working for you?

  7. Interesting Idea by J+Story · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that if museums, as a matter of course, scan and extensively photograph all new inventory as well as old inventory -- and put the data on the interwebs -- that will provide some protection from the pigshit known as ISIL as well as other semi-human garbage. It would generate a lot of data, but these days that seems pretty cheap.

    Part of the problem is that, although it is possible for museums from stable nations to storehouse collections from museums in unstable regions, the practical end result could be that those regions would be unable to show artefacts for decades or centuries. Further, if an official from semi-civilized country Y says, "give us back our junk", who is authorized to say yes or no, even if the purpose of getting stuff back is to destroy it? As I understand it, even now, items in museums in stable democracies are being returned to the country from which they were were taken, because those countries are asking for them back. Scanning such items before returning them at least provides the possibility to make a backup in case the original is damaged or destroyed.

    1. Re:Interesting Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me that if museums, as a matter of course, scan and extensively photograph all new inventory as well as old inventory -- and put the data on the interwebs -- that will provide some protection from the pigshit known as ISIL as well as other semi-human garbage. It would generate a lot of data, but these days that seems pretty cheap.

      Like art galleries, why in the world would they do that? The point to visit a museum is to see the stuff, and if you put it free online, you'll have fewer visitors, lower revenues, and then closing museums that are not exactly on the best funded list.

    2. Re:Interesting Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like art galleries, why in the world would they do that? The point to visit a museum is to see the stuff, and if you put it free online,

      No the point of museums is to archive history. That they need to restrict access to their collections to paying patrons and professional researchers (no idea if professional researchers have to pay for access), is a sad side effect of the reality that it costs money to maintain a collection and the facilities in which it is stored.

      Besides, there is no neccesity that a museum that scans their collection must place it online for free. Plenty of museums already scan their collections, and don't place the results anywhere you can access them.

  8. dammit, it's the best he has. by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Interesting

    yeah, it's not perfect, but he's actually DOING something.

    1. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      It's thumbing the nose at ISIS, saying, the spirit of those artifacts live on and you can't destroy that.

      Okay, sure, it isn't the same thing, but saying these objects deserve a place in the world by re-creating them is saying something, no matter how small.

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    2. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I agree that this is more a symbolic gesture against ISIS rather than a practical means of preservation, and for that, believe me, I'm very grateful. Whatever someone can do to flip ISIS the bird - I'm all for it.

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    3. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pointless gesture. The higher-ups at ISIS destroy a few artifacts to please their cannon fodder and sell the rest to the US to make a profit. They don't give a shit about the artifacts one way or the other. The money and the morale boost is all they care about.

    4. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the whole plug to make it /.-worthy is that he's using 3D PRINTING. Which is pretty much like saying he's saving the Louvre by making PNGs of Mona Lisa for home printing. Most any art of significance is extensively photographed, measured and cataloged. Without the artifacts themselves you're relying on a chain of authenticity, meaning that whatever you photoshopped at home won't matter one bit. In short, your 3D printer is no more significant in preserving history than your 2D printer is, which is to say not at all.

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    5. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      FYI, this is "actually" the second time people have been "DOING something". The Artifacts Destroyed by "ISIS" were recreations. This fact was conveniently left out of the USA propaganda (what some here call mainstream news) in order to increase outrage and get more clickbait.

      Do some fact checking, FFS, one day your life might depend on it... Like the next time you go to war over non-existant "WMDs".

      Of course, it doesn't matter how much information I give you. Most of you dolts will believe the next batch of propaganda without question, no fact checking.

    6. Re:dammit, it's the best he has. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, I thought about doing what he is doing when they started destroying the artifacts. However, I was too much of a coward. So, cheers to him for actually going through with it.

  9. Flash Drives and Ephemera by Guppy · · Score: 0

    Embedded within each semi-translucent copy is a flash drive with Allahyari's research about the artifacts, and an online version is coming.

    And within an archaeologically insignificant moment of time, each flash drive will contain nothing but noise, the trapped charges within each cell having leaked and degraded into noise. Typically, thumb drive manufacturers target an expected retention time of no more than about a decade.

  10. Ministry of Truth, anyone? by VanessaE · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    By erasing all evidence of both the pre-Islamic past and alternative interpretations of Islam, ISIS hopes to create a world where knowledge of any belief system except their own interpretation of Islam is forgotten forever.

    These people (that is, the extremists) honestly believe they can make this Orwellian fantasy come true in the digital age? Sure, the world will lose a lot of precious artifacts, but information can't be destroyed - and that's withOUT people like Allahyari acting to resurrect those artifacts. The world needs more people like him.

    *shakes head*

  11. Hopefully Richard Prince doesn't see this by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    ... or he'll probably get busy with a 3-D printer, write some inane bit of blather on postcards, and start selling these for millions.

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  12. BIAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love how the summary glosses over the fact that the US has bombarded and looted historical sites countless times.

    But of course, it doesn't count because if america does it it's for a "good cause" so it gets called another thing.

    And no, I won't click the article, even if I have adblock on.

  13. Piffle by koan · · Score: 1

    The artefacts can not be preserved digitally, once they are gone they are gone for good, everything else is a cheap copy.

    Which sums up the digital world... "cheap copy".

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  14. speaking of doing god's work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So on a tangent note: the guy's last name is a composite of god "allah" and help/helping "yari".

  15. Does the real-ness really matter? by See+Attached · · Score: 1

    The original work may have special value since it was made by the original artist.. but.. sometimes these marvelous works are not suitable for handling/experiencing by interested parties. a book from the middle ages is probably going to be untouchable by Joe Public, but an exact duplicate on modern paper might be read by more people. I am FAR from approving of destruction of original works... That has been done by so many groups over time. so... Lets start duplicating objects of art so the destruction of the original does not mean much to the miscreants. Less motive to destroy original if there are many copies!!

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    1. Re:Does the real-ness really matter? by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      Good Read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/... a view from someone capable of leading the charge to differentiate Extremists from the Faithful.

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  16. You cant Kill an idea, but you can Forget about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A physical object is of value because it was the only remains of what a person did.

    So if you think of it that way those artifacts are like magnet Tape

    They carry ideas from one person or era to another.. those ideas persist

    Destroying artififacts is merely a futile attempt to detroy and Idea and generate Attention.. its very short sited.. its like saying please Kill me, please forget about Me

    In that way ISIS deserves ti be forgotten.. they get what they wanted.. nobody will care about their ideas.. except that they attempted to force people to do things they didn't want to.

    That the rest of the world persists in rememebering the ideas those objects represent.. is the ultimate defeat of ISIS.. they loose.. on every ground.. nobody care about them any more.. they are forgotten.. the ultimate way to loose.

  17. ISIS looses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't kill idea, but you can forget the ones who tried to kill it

  18. Re:ISIS Destroying Artifacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zippy burbled: "Khan gave them a choice he would send a single load of product through an area.. .. When his people were killed he would send his entire army into a town and kill everything"

    Sounds like Pres. Bush used the same logic to create a pretense to invade Iraq. Kuwait was doing slant drilling under the border to steal Iraqi oil. Saddam Hussein received assurances from US ambassador April Glaspie that the US had "no objection" to Saddam invading Kuwait.

    You claim G. Khan "had no choice" but to exterminate them completely. Khan could have chosen to not send a load of product through that area. There are other routes he could've used, but if he wanted to control that teritorry, a pretext to invade was helpful.

  19. Really silly concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I concur with you that 'Preserving' is not the right word, nor the concept can stand any scrutiny

    The root of the problem is not the destroyed artifacts but that we, the human society, let a group of nutcase to wantonly destroying valuable artifacts in the beginning

    Had the West understand the truly evil nature of Islam the Islamic based terrorist groups such as Al Queda - which destroyed the 3,000 year old Buddha statues in Afghanistan - and Islamic State would have been squashed right at their infancy

    It is the West which allows (and funds) the terrorists groups --- The fact that terrorist supporter state Qatar is still allowed to exist testifies to the West's complicit in the perpetuating Islamic terror to the human society

  20. Net deficit to society by tandavanadesan · · Score: 0

    Someone should calculate the meet deficit to society and civilisation bought by Islam. Everyone talks about their contributions, usually then mentioning things plagiarised from other societies (box plundered from when they destroyed the Alexandrian library, Hindu numbering schemes, etc.). Over all out of certainly a negative contribution.

  21. Misrepresenting what the Nazis did by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

    to the Nazi's battle to burn as much "degenerate art" as they could find

    The "degenerate art" removed from the museums headed in all sorts of directions,

    • Sold on the international markets to raise money for the Reich
    • vanished into private hands - Cornelius Gurlitt's collection resurfaced as recently as three years ago
    • vanished into private hands and then was destroyed in allied bombing raids
    • destroyed by the Nazis

    Hitler used to use Baedeker travel guides as a guide to what should be destroyed, although a famous library in the Netherlands was bombed at the start of the war "just because". After the Allies (ok, the British) destroyed a few German cultural spots of neglible military value, the Luftwaffe was sent to destroy highlights selected from Baedeker such as Coventry Cathedral.
    There were two Warsaw uprisings, the Jewish one and then later - with the Soviets approaching - the Polish one. As revenge for the second one, buildings were blown up in the order of their ranking in the Warsaw Baedeker - best to worst. The Soviets ceased their advance and waited for the Nazis to suppress the uprising before resuming operations. That is one of the factors behind the Polish attitude to Russia, Katyn being another big one.

    With ISIS (I thought it was ISIL) now starting to operate in Saudi Arabia, I wonder if Islamic sites are in danger. One would think not but I had not expected the recent suicide bombings either.

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    Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect.
    1. Re:Misrepresenting what the Nazis did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islamic art is definitely in danger. It seems their idea is to destroy all history and leave just their own version of history. And not remember what was befor Islam, and in which different ways people have lived with Islam.

      ISIS are not stupid and they are very rich. But you can definitely say they are barbaric.

  22. All I Can Think of Is by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Bravo!