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Mystery Woman Recycles $200,000 Apple I Computer

Dave Knott writes: A recycling centre in the Silicon Valley is looking for a woman who dropped off an old computer for recycling. The computer was apparently inside boxes of electronics that she had cleaned out from her garage after her husband died. This would be nothing unusual, except that the recycled computer was an Apple I. The recycling firm eventually sold the Apple I for $200,000 to a private collection, and because the company gives 50 per cent of the proceeds from sold items back to the original owner, they wish to split the proceeds with the mystery donor.

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  1. I'm betting that... by minogully · · Score: 2

    The guy who reportedly "knows what she looks like", will strike a deal with another woman that he trusts.

    1. Re: I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because that is what you would do?

    2. Re:I'm betting that... by linkdude64 · · Score: 2

      I don't think that he would have made any sort of fuss about this entire ordeal, nor would he have lied on the grave of his mother just to give it to another person. People out there aren't heartless monsters 24/7, you know.

    3. Re:I'm betting that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, they rather are, and this story even taken at face value is prime example of that. It's clear the woman didn't mean to throw away $200.000; if not otherwise obvious, not even sticking out for her $100.000 half makes that quite sure. But no, that was not enough for them, additonally they're trying to milk what is basically misappropriation for the most PR they can, publishing to media that they're actually trying to do the least they're obliged to do... Which is good for them, because otherwise some uncomfortable questions might get asked about where they got that $100.000 and is it legal. Makes me wonder if there's specific case law for this kind of thing though, pretty sure it's happened before, and some people are likely to take it to court instead of accepting the involuntary donation. I guess best I don't have an opinion on which way it SHOULD go, but if talking about heartless monsters, I think this story sort of qualifies...

    4. Re:I'm betting that... by geoskd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes me wonder if there's specific case law for this kind of thing though, pretty sure it's happened before, and some people are likely to take it to court instead of accepting the involuntary donation

      There is plenty of case law precedent to prevent her from successfully wining anything. She voluntarily dropped the equipment off at a recycling location. Just because she had no idea that it was valuable doesn't mean she is entitled to protection from her own ignorance. Contrary to popular belief, the laws are not intended to protect stupid people from doing stupid things to themselves.

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    5. Re:I'm betting that... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd like to cite a precedence in case law; viz. Finders v. Keepers...

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    6. Re: I'm betting that... by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      Drug laws?

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    7. Re: I'm betting that... by LocalH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She dropped the computer off for recycling. If you throw out a bunch of stuff, and unbeknownst to you there is a mint copy of Action Comics #1 in that stuff, them once you throw it out it is no longer yours. In fact, the local municipaloty may have a stronger claim than you do in such a case.

      I have no sympathy for her if she tries to push for more than the $100,0000. She's lucky the recycling center is ethical enough to offer it to her, as they're otherwise not obligated to give her a penny.

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    8. Re:I'm betting that... by Columcille · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trailer Park Boys has taught us that you can steal anything if you first move it from a person's house to the side of the road. Once it's at the side of the road, it's trash and free for the taking so it's not really illegal to take it. You can easily use this method to appropriate grills, patio furniture, yard decorations, etc.

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    9. Re:I'm betting that... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      Trailer Park Boys has taught us that you can steal anything if you first move it from a person's house to the side of the road.

      Even Alex Lifeson.

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    10. Re: I'm betting that... by secret_squirrel_99 · · Score: 2

      Also, since you can only deduct 30-50% of your Adjusted gross income. Even in the best 50% case, unless you have an AGI of $200k, you cannot simply deduct $100k (although in some cases you can carry forward for up to 5 years). That might be reasonable for someone in the bay area, but not for the average widow cleaning out a garage. Also, if you are a widow and have an AGI that high, you are probably very near the schedule A limitation on deductions to 80% (remember obama says you are rich).

      Except that she can carry it forward for probably five years. Now shes only trying to deduct 20K/year and with even a modest income, will likely fall under 30%

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  2. Re:It was me, I did it by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    And I'm Brian!

  3. Re:Why is it worth that much? by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It, and everything else, are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them.

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  4. Need to get the Vintage word out by linebackn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sadly this kinds of thing happens every day. I'm surprised that a "recycler" even caught it before sending it off to a third world landfill. I dare say any manuals and software the owner had went directly in to the regular trash.

    You can't keep it all, but for anything roughly 1980s or earlier vintage, it might be worth at least having a local computer geek taking a look at it before sending off for "recycling". Slashdotters probably already know this, but it would be good if people could get the word out. Big corps have the masses too well trained that anything more than a year or to old must be disposed of.

    There are actually whole communities around vintage gear. If anyone has questions trying to identify old hardware or software, feel free to drop in at http://www.vintage-computer.co... and ask!

    1. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been recycling electronics for 15 years. Hardly any of our materials end up in any landfill, let alone a "third world landfill". 99% of the materials are reused in some form or other. Even the leaded glass is recycled, and that's the hardest thing and most costly. Some of the breadboard is toxic waste, that's about all.

    2. Re:Need to get the Vintage word out by antdude · · Score: 2

      My parents thought my Apple //c would be worth a lot in 2008, but nope when I checked online. So, we just donated it. Maybe it will be worth a lot after I am dead at 100 or so! :P

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  5. Re:Why is it worth that much? by RealGene · · Score: 2

    It's called "historicity". An item that is an actualization of a historic event. Apple I represents the start of a major cultural, if not technological, shift.

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  6. Re:Why is it worth that much? by linebackn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anything involving Apple is a bit nuts.

    But among other things, an Apple I represents one of the early beginnings in the computing world. You can't get much closer to the direct early work of Woz and Jobs. Apple Is are indeed very rare. Supposedly most Apple Is were traded in for discounts on Apple IIs, so few were left in the general public. The parts themselves are rare. Woz chose some parts that weren't even incredibly common at the time - so it is difficult to build accurate replicas. (An Apple II replica, in contrast can be built from mostly from parts that are still available new)

    There is actually quite a bit of demand for vintage items that similarly represent various "beginnings". Such as TRS-80s, Commodore PETs, Apple II/II+s, IBM 5150 PCs, etc, but those are common enough they can often be had for a few hundred dollars.

  7. Re:Why is it worth that much? by AndyCanfield · · Score: 2

    The computer store on El Camino Real in Los Altos used to have an Apple 1 in the display case showing a price tag of one million dollars. This was about 1988. I believed it.

  8. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You had to personally know the Steves to get one of those

    Not really, all you had to do was walk into the Byte Shop.

    and they were hand built in Job's garage

    According to Woz, that's a myth. Apple did no manufacturing in the garage.

  9. Re:highly intelligent by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a little while after meeting you they kind of distance themselves, they get a weird kinda awe-inspired respect for you

    If the tone of your post is any indication of what you are like in person, I believe that you may be entirely wrong, almost to the point of being polar opposite to reality, about their intentions about why they distance themselves... .

  10. Re:Why is it worth that much? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It, and everything else, are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them.

    Of course, but I wasn't questioning that it was worth that amount of money. I asked why.

    Interesting question... the collector's market is really strange and much of it is completely illogical. Things nobody wants can be worth a fortune a little later. Believe it or not there are actually fashion trends in junk. I'm constantly amazed at the crap you can sell interior decorators. When steam punk is all the rage you can sell old cogwheels and cast iron table legs for a fortune, when the trend switches to 70's nostalgia your rusty iron machinery becomes worthless but crappy plastic disco balls and sweaty old clothes become valuable rarities. Believe it or not vintage jeans can be worth thousands and the more beat up they are the more people pay. I've seen people buy stuff that I resolutely refused to believe was worth a dime before I saw money change hands. Just because it's rare or old does not mean it is valuable, but it could be if it comes into fashion so timing is key. Stuff like the Apple I is valuable because of the history of Apple and the company's effect on the computer business. Most Nazi stuff is considered creepy and sells to a niche market but Enigma machines are an exception and sell to rich math geeks and IT startups millionaires because you get nerd points for owning one. Just wait a couple of decades and watch Google promotional banners, posters, coffee mugs, t-shirts or low serial Nexus One smartphones sell for outlandish sums of money.

  11. Too soon? by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think I may have found her.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

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  12. Will the person... by JaneTheIgnorantSlut · · Score: 2

    ...who left the Apple I computer please form a line at the door.

  13. Re: Why is it worth that much? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    No, there was a display ad in Kilobaud Computing and some other magazines. You could mail order an Apple Board for $666. I used to have a complete run of Kilobaud and that ad was in issue #1.

  14. STEM by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    And they say we need more women in STEM!!!!

    We do. We need more people in STEM generally, even if it results in too many people in STEM, because it's a lot better to have people trained to think rationally than not.

  15. Most people do not have real treasures by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've watched enough episodes of all kinds of shows like 'Pickers' and 'Salvage Hunters' in addition to my own experience to know that you'd not believe what stuff you have laying around in your garage or on your property that's worth money and it doesn't have to be a long lost Vermeer, the hitherto unknown seventh production Bugatti Royale or a Ming vase.

    And I've actually owned an auction company in years gone by and I can assure you that almost all of the stuff people have lying around their garage is genuinely garbage or at best not worth much. Certainly not worth the hassle of trying to sell it on eBay in most cases. People tend to think old = valuable but in most cases that simply isn't true. Yes, sometimes you run across a genuine treasure but that is a seriously rare occurrence.

    Shows like American Pickers are ludicrously unrealistic except in the sense that a lot of people who deal in secondhand goods (read junk) are seriously weird people. I've had to deal with a lot of them first hand. Some of the strangest people I've ever met. Some nice, some not so much, but rarely what you or I would consider "normal".

    My sister even cleaned out her house last year, put the junk into one big box and flogged most of it on ebay for just under £200. The biggest problem you have when cleaning out a house or a property is not making money off of what might seem like junk at first glance, it's finding a dealer who isn't going to rip you off if you don't have time to sell your junk yourself.

    A decent part of my auction business was estate sales. If you don't want to go to the trouble of doing it yourself (which is VERY reasonable - it's a huge pain) then just accept the fact that you'll get something out of it but probably not the maximum possible. Get a separate person to appraise what is in the estate if you are concerned about being ripped off. Bear in mind that this will cost money. You hire someone to liquidate estate assets because you want to have a life and doing this is HUGELY time consuming. It's ok if the estate sale person/company makes a decent or even handsome profit. You'll avoid a huge time sink and you'll get some money you wouldn't have had otherwise. If you want certain items from the estate just set them aside ahead of time.

  16. Re:Why is it worth that much? by geniice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are already at least 4 in museums (Smithsonian, Sydney Powerhouse, London Science, Henry Ford Michigan). From the POV of museums they make a nice item. The name is recognisable (first apple computer is going to get more attention than say a OSI Model 500), its a convenient size (which is why a lot of british museums have a ZX Spectrum on display while the APE(X)C is in storage) and history of computing galleries are pretty much a must for any science/technology museum at the moment