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LHC Season 2 Is About To Start Testing the Frontiers of Physics

An anonymous reader writes: The final preparations for the second run of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) are in place. This week, it is expected to start taking new data with collisions at the record-breaking energy of 13 teraelectronvolts (TeV). There are a lot of expectations about this new LHC season. In one of CERN's articles, physicists tell of their hopes for new discoveries during the LHC's second run. "They speak of dark matter,supersymmetry, the Higgs boson, antimatter, current theory in particle physics and its limits as well as new theoretical models that could extend it."

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  1. No new physics == Michelson–Morley of the 20 by jphamlore · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?

  2. Well, not exactly by Celarent+Darii · · Score: 2

    There are no "Frontiers" in Physics. Reality is just what it is, no more, no less. You can't really have 'frontiers' if there is no subject to limit.

    However, our knowledge of these laws and of Physics is somewhat limited. So the headline should read: "Testing the frontiers of our knowledge of Physics". But I guess it couldn't fit in a tweet or whatever.

    In any case, very exciting times.

    1. Re:Well, not exactly by lgw · · Score: 2

      Physics is "the study of reality", so sure it can have a frontier: the borders of our knowledge. Or, as I like to think of it, the shore -- the bigger the island of knowledge, the bigger the shore of uncertainty.

      Metaphysics, rumor has it, was the title Aristotle chose for his book on the subject because "there not a word to summarize all this stuff, but it's after my book on physics, so I'll just call my book AfterPhysics". Typical sequel quality, if you ask me.

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  3. Darmok and Jalad... at Tanagra. by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?

    It could be "Shaka, when the walls fell!"

    A valid question, and I like a well-turned metaphor ("it was a wine red sea"), but wasn't there a Star Trek episode essentially mocking that sort of usage?

    When out president says something is "our Sputnik moment", the Tamarians would understand perfectly.

    This could be "The river Temarc in winter!"

  4. Re:I still think they will kill us by DumbSwede · · Score: 2

    Knowledge is in itself the advancement of man.

    Do you also live in fear from the magnatudes more in force and number cosmic rays hitting our atmosphere? Until we can build accelerators that can beat out all such events, I think we are safe.

  5. Re:Success! by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    Experiments producing and storing antimatter have been going on for decades, e.g. Fermilab's antiproton ring

  6. Different...no firm prediction by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On the other hand, if no new physics is discovered, could this be the Michelson–Morley experiment of the 2000s?

    That's probably very unlikely. Michelson-Morley was testing a prediction of the best understanding of light at the time. The non-observation of changes due to motion through the ether was clear evidence that the best understood theory for light was wrong.

    Now we have found the Higgs the established model, called the Standard Model, has no more predictions to make: we have found it all. The problem is that there are some phenomena which the Standard Model cannot explain, like Dark Matter, and it relies on some amazing fine-tuning of parameters to have such a light Higgs (the odd of this happening by chance are about the same as winning a lottery 5-6 times in a row...and if someone did that nobody would believe it was simple luck!).

    The solutions to these issues involve speculation by theorists and there are multiple candidates. Supersymmetry is probably the leading one but if we fail to see SUSY in the coming run then I, and a lot of my colleagues, will probably start to doubt it as the most likely explanation. However even then it might still be that SUSY is the explanation but at a higher energy scale that we can reach and just a more-than-minimal variety of it.

    Personally the thing I expect the most for us to find is Dark Matter. this is based on two broad assumptions that cut across many different theoretical models: that Dark Matter interacts through the weak force and that it was thermally produced in the Big Bang. If these assumptions are correct then the mass of the Dark Matter particle has to be in reach of the LHC. However this is still far from any sort of guarantee: there are other models for Dark Matter out there with good motivation which we would not see e.g. axions.

  7. ~1 microsecond by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Well assuming it takes a minute in a 650W microwave to cook your disgusting boiled sausage that's roughly 60*650=39kJ of energy, lets call it 40kJ. The LHC beams contain roughly 360MJ. The beams take roughly 90 microseconds to make a complete orbit (27km/3e8 m/s) so that is a power of roughly 4TW (=4 million MW).

    Now the sausage is probably only about half a nuclear interaction length (guess) so only about 18% of the protons will interact per sausage crossing and not all of that energy will actually be converted into heat since much will go to secondaries. So lets be conservative and say that 1% of the incident energy heats the sausage. Hence the the time for the sausage to get 40kJ will be 40e3/(4e12*0.01) = 1 micro second.

    Assuming the sausage absorbs 1% of the total beam energy (which will happen in under a millisecond) then it will have about 900 times more energy than it needed to cook it which is the energy released by slightly less than 1kg of TNT...and this is one of the reasons why the LHC is know as the Big Bang machine! ;-)

  8. Higgs is in the Standard Model by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Can you explain why it is found acceptable for the standard model to allow calculation of probabilities greater than one (one of the reasons the Higgs was proposed)?

    The Standard Model does not allow for calculation of probabilities greater than one. The Higgs is part of the Standard Model and you only get this effect, called violation of unitarity, for processes like WW scattering if the Higgs is not there. Since the Higgs was found the SM is complete and there is no problem with violating unitarity.

  9. Re:watched a movie yesterday by As_I_Please · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're right: the LHC beams are made up of separate bunches of protons. These bunches only collide at the 4 detectors. If they collided anywhere else, there wouldn't be anything to detect the products of the collision, so that collision would be a waste. Until the collision in the detectors, the protons moving in opposite directions are kept in separate beam lines: http://lhc-machine-outreach.we.... Here's a look inside the beam pipe: http://lhc-machine-outreach.we...

    The time between collisions is 25 nanoseconds, meaning there is 25 feet between each bunch (light travels at about 1 foot per nanosecond). When two bunches collide, there are only 20-30 proton-proton collisions because the protons are so small compared to the size of the bunches. By the time the next bunches arrive at the collision point, the debris from the first collisions are completely gone from the original collision point (about 25 feet away in all directions).

    http://lhc-machine-outreach.we...

  10. Re: No new physics == Michelson–Morley of th by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    It will be if it proves that dark matter does not exist.