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Patriot Act Spy Powers To Expire As Rand Paul Blocks USA Freedom Act Vote

Saturday, we mentioned that three major spying powers that the U.S. government has exercised under the Patriot Act might be nixed, as the sections of the Act granting authority to use them expires. The Daily Dot reports that Senator (and presidential contender) Rand Paul today used Senate rules to block a bill which would have extended those powers, which means that as of midnight Sunday on the U.S. east coast, sections 206, 207 and 215 of the Patriot Act will have expired. Says the Daily Dot's article, linked by reader blottsie: The reform bill, which the House passed before leaving town for a week-long recess, would end the government's bulk collection of Americans' phone records under the Patriot Act's controversial Section 215 but leaves the other two provisions intact. ... Sunday's procedural meltdown was the second narrow defeat for the USA Freedom Act. In a late-night session on Friday, May 22, the bill fell three votes short of an initial procedural step after [Senate Majority Leader] McConnell lobbied hard against it. The Senate's failure to meet its deadline was a blow to President Obama, who on Friday had warned lawmakers that the country would be vulnerable if the USA Freedom Act did not pass.

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  1. RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

    he's got my vote.

    1. Re:RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rest of his profile is just bat shit crazy.

      True. Actually requiring Congress to declare war before you can attack another country? Ridiculous. Term limits for Congress? Absurd. Cutting taxes? What could he be thinking?

    2. Re:RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by blue+trane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We need Sanders to use the same tactics to block any Republican cuts to Social Security.

    3. Re:RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by Brulath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Term limits for Congress? Absurd. Cutting taxes? What could he be thinking?

      Term limits aren't necessarily a good thing, as they're going to encourage politicians to look for places to be employed once they're finished with their term (as a primary focus for the entire term). They also reinforce short-term thinking, as the individual politicians won't need to deal with the fallout of their decisions if they have no chance to be re-elected. Finally, the networking and experience required to get anything done in any political environment takes quite a while to build up – if you replace people at too high a rate they'll never reach the efficiency stage, which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your views.

      Most simple solutions are horribly flawed, which is often the main reason they haven't been employed previously. Cutting taxes isn't likely to help much with paying off the 21 trillion dollar debt, for example, unless new taxes on richer people are introduced.

    4. Re:RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, the cutting taxes one is pretty insane.

      The country can't afford to provide health care for everyone. It can't afford to look after its veterans. It can't afford to keep its freeways in serviceable condition (in fact, in such bad shape that the bridges are collapsing!).

      America doesn't need tax cuts. It needs tax hikes, and military spending cuts.

    5. Re: RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The summary is misleading; the act will probably pass on Tuesday, and the provisions will be restored. It's depressing how completely dishonest this story is.

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    6. Re:RAND PAUL REVOLUTION by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maintain a wise diet, exercise moderately, get laid off, then get hit by a bus. And live. Then, be glad the government was there to pick you up.

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  2. Useful technique by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So he did one thing you agree with. The rest of his profile is just bat shit crazy.

    That's a useful technique - agreeing or conceding the immediate issue, while making nebulous unsupported statements about everything else. Look to see this for the next year or so. "I agree with him on this issue, but everything else is crazy".

    ...problem is, that "agreeing on this one issue" seems to happen a lot. Like, for most issues.

    Who do you recommend as an alternative? (And did they, by any chance, support the Patriot act?)

    1. Re:Useful technique by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who do you recommend as an alternative? (And did they, by any chance, support the Patriot act?)

      Bernie Sanders, who voted against the PATRIOT act and its reauthorization.

  3. Re:Forward emails and calls until fixed? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In order to keep America safe, does anyone know where I can send my emails and phone records to until this whole misunderstanding is resolved? I'd hate for a terrorist to get me because my information was private.

    Don't worry - they're almost certainly still doing it. They just won't be bothering with any FISA rubber stamps or procedural filings.

    I mean, come on. They obviously weren't concerned even with the Constitution up to this point in time; why would they start worrying about more ephemeral congressional votes now?

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  4. I feel proud as an American! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been an American citizen for over 30 years ever since I took my oath back in the 1980's

    This is the day I can say that I feel proud as an American for at the very least the politicians in Washington D.C., for once, are doing something that the PEOPLE want them to do --- to kill that goddamn draconian bill that allows the government of the United States of America to act much like a totalitarian regime

    I think I am not the only one in America who will keep note of who is voting to keep American under the dictatorship of Obama - and we will make sure that all the supporters of dictator Obama will get booted from the Capitol Hill

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    1. Re:I feel proud as an American! by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      :-) Which PEOPLE are you talking about?

      "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" said Tom Charlton, 64, a retired sales training manager for a tire company, who was first in line at a book-signing with Paul in Davenport. "If this can stop one attack, it's worth infringing on legal citizens' rights."...

      "I don't want the mall to get bombed because they didn't get the information they needed," said [Vivian] Martin...

      Sally Cram, 62, said after leaving a town hall meeting with Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) that she supports the NSA program because "I'm a person who believes our government tells us the truth."...

      These are the American citizens who keep this stuff alive, because they believe... It doesn't matter if Rand Paul is occasionally right. Being "right" has very little to do with anything.

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  5. Lemme ask you this ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... was promulgated by Cheney Rumsfeld Bush and Co ...

    Please spare me the history lesson, dude

    I do need to ask you a question, tho ...
     
    Who is the one coming out asking the Congress to extend the Patriot Act?

    Was it Cheney Rumsfeld Bush and Co., or was it Obama?

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    1. Re:Lemme ask you this ... by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. The mantra of Blame Bush is so old and tired. Yeah, I blame Bush for what he did, and I blame Obama for making the crap Bush did the new normal, which is actually worse. GWB was seen as on the radical side of exercising presidential powers -- Obama's making that the new baseline makes reform much less likely and so Obama's presidency is ultimately even a worse disservice than GWB's was. Unless of course you want to live in a US where most all power, eventually all, lies in the Executive branch.

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  6. Re:So What! A Roadmap... by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone really think they, the NSA, is not going to spy, with or without approval? We have no way to control them, they hold all the cards!

    The have always spied and that part will never cease. But it's time to shake them up a little.

    1. If it can and will be abused, refrain from building it in the first place.
    2. If it has been built, see that it is laid bare to the greatest extent possible and dismantled.
    3. For egregious offenses, the offending Agency must be completely disbanded, its assets liquidated, and formed anew.
    4. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. (only joking!)

    The United States is presently under attack, by itself, in a way even Stalin was unable to achieve given the limited technology of his time. Due to a lack of transparency and believability, a technological renaissance with (apparently) no moral compass steered by Charter, the NSA has likely deployed assets and capabilities for domestic surveillance. The following attack vectors cannot be ruled out:

    There is an unknown, possibly massive tapping of the backbone network occurring. Utah Data Center's central location is a clue. Thomas Drake, Bill Binney and Mark Klein have all come forward alleging domestic surveillance far exceeding 'telephone records'. Klein is of especial note, for it is he who revealed the existence of Room 641A in the lawsuit Heptig vs AT&T that EFF took almost to the Supreme Court, who declined to hear the case on the basis that the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 protected AT&T from liability for involvement with any illegal activities. A law passed after the lawsuit was filed. In response to it, even.

    That should make you a bit angry. We're not talking about telephone records here. We're talking about fiber splitting with drop-in access to the whole slurp. To any future despot this means that the United States may be prepared to deliver real-time private communications and databases of activity for its citizens, cradle to grave. Why the fuck would anyone want to build this thing, unless they were insane? James Bamford hinted at the possibility that NSA was 'going domestic' in his 1982 book Puzzle Palace as he suggests its interest in developing technology for bulk microwave gathering. That is to be expected as this technology was deployed worldwide. But the way they wished to go about it was a bit... peculiar:

    Another indication of NSA's "broadband sweeping of multi-circuited domestic telecommunications trunk lines," David L. Watters told the Senate Intelligence Committee [in 1978!] lies in the Agency's request for an amendment to the wiretap law that would permit NSA to engage in warrantless wiretapping "for the sole purpose of determining the capability of equipment" when such "test period shall be limited... to... ninety days." Continuing, he warned: "Let there be no misunderstanding here. There is only one category of wiretapping equipment or system which requires up to ninety days for test and adjustment, and that system is broadband electronic eavesdropping equipment, the vacuum-cleaner approach to intelligence gathering, the general search of microwave trunk lines. I make this assertion on the strength of actual experience in the electronic intelligence trade and on the strength of over twenty-five years' experience in the telecommunications profession. An ordinary, single-line wire tap requires only five minutes to adjust and test."

    NSA should not have wanted th

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  7. When all the choices on the ballot by waspleg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are carefully selected by corporate money/the rich who own them then there is no real change since it's the same hand up the ass of both party puppets.

  8. Re:Who are the fascists?? by totallyarb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The act of owning slaves, on the other hand, not so much.

    I stand open to correction here, but my understanding was that Jefferson inherited the vast majority of the slaves that he owned, and his only known purchases of slaves were in order to reunite family members who had been separated by sales to different masters. It's true that he didn't free many of his slaves, but that was (apparently) because life for an ex-slave in Virginia in the 18th century was arguably nastier than being nominally "owned" by a caring owner. He also attempted to pass laws through the Virginia state legislature that would have abolished slavery (his bill was defeated), and included an anti-slavery diatribe in the original Declaration of Independence, which was cut by the committee before it was published.

    When you get right down to it, there is not a lot one man - even a President of the United States - can do when the culture of the time is against him. But he seems to have done about as much as he could in the circumstances, so criticising him from a perspective more than two centuries later seems a bit unfair.

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